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Azath Vitr (D, on 13 February 2026 - 01:52 PM, said:
Cause, on 12 February 2026 - 08:43 PM, said:
I'm just very happy that the DOJ continues to embarrass itself by failing to indict congressmen for telling the troops to ignore illegal orders. A federal judge has also halted Pete Hegseths revenge pending a trial to determine if the punishment is intended to chill speech. The outcome is already clear.
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A Grand Jury Will Indict a Ham Sandwich? Not in the Trump Era.
Something extraordinary is happening in federal courthouses across America: Grand juries are exercising their power to reject criminal charges in high-profile cases. [...]
[...] in recent months, we've seen grand juries asserting themselves as meaningful checks on prosecutorial overreach, particularly in cases stemming from Mr. Trump[...]
This is how grand juries were meant to work. The Supreme Court chief justice Earl Warren once described grand juries as "a primary security to the innocent against hasty, malicious and oppressive persecution."
[...] grand jurors — everyday Americans performing a civic duty — are recognizing the administration's penchant for prosecutorial overreach and refusing to participate in it. They're acting as the conscience of the community, rejecting efforts to suppress political dissent.
Opinion | A Grand Jury Will Indict a Ham Sandwich? Not in the Trump Era. - The New York Times
Something extraordinary is happening in federal courthouses across America: Grand juries are exercising their power to reject criminal charges in high-profile cases. [...]
[...] in recent months, we've seen grand juries asserting themselves as meaningful checks on prosecutorial overreach, particularly in cases stemming from Mr. Trump[...]
This is how grand juries were meant to work. The Supreme Court chief justice Earl Warren once described grand juries as "a primary security to the innocent against hasty, malicious and oppressive persecution."
[...] grand jurors — everyday Americans performing a civic duty — are recognizing the administration's penchant for prosecutorial overreach and refusing to participate in it. They're acting as the conscience of the community, rejecting efforts to suppress political dissent.
Opinion | A Grand Jury Will Indict a Ham Sandwich? Not in the Trump Era. - The New York Times
... but suppose Trump sends in his goons to torture or murder them if they refuse to comply, then preemptively pardons the perpetrators (but keeps the pardons sealed for if/when their identities are revealed)? So long as the crimes are commited on federal property (including federal courthouses) they're federal crimes, so Trump can pardon anyone for anything inside them. They're like a "safe space" for Trump-maga criminality.
Dual sovereignty I believe means that if the feds want the case they take precedence but the federal court is still in the state and state laws still apply as well.
The risk wouldn’t be torturing people serving in a grand jury, the risk is when the government decides they don’t need grand jury’s in the first place.
