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#15541 User is offline   QuickTidal 

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Posted 05 November 2025 - 04:15 PM

View Postamphibian, on 05 November 2025 - 03:51 PM, said:

The main discussions have to be between the GOP Senate and House. They don't have agreements to do anything and the Speaker of the House is deliberately avoiding the inclusion of a newly elected Democrat congressional representative because her vote would mean the release of the Epstein files.

We are likely to go most of November without an agreement and things will get even more awful.


Duffy out there pretending like it's the Democrats holding this shit up, while another plane crashes on his watch....brutal.

There needs to be Nuremberg style trials after all the dust settles and this admin in the rear view.
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Posted 05 November 2025 - 04:20 PM

https://www.youtube....rts/MDAvbdKIQ_M
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Posted 05 November 2025 - 09:09 PM

Interesting, I just saw the NYC count and assuming everyone who voted silwa would have been a cuomo voter, cuomo would have won. This is not necessarily realistic but I know people were begging him to drop out. American election systems are too vulnerable to spoiler candidates.

Though since cuomo lost the primary he was arguably the spoiler himself. Is NYC so blue that the democrat primary winner is normally unopposed or guaranteed the win?

I only heard silwa for 5 minutes but the man is clearly a joke/nut candidate
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Posted 05 November 2025 - 10:12 PM

These things shift, but from the latest numbers Mamdani is right now ~35k above Cuomo and Sliwa combined, and will probably end >50%.

You are right about Cuomo being the (attempted) spoiler in this race though. Sliwa wasn't just begged to drop out, he was offered quite a lot of money to, and refused it. And DJT himself directed Republicans to vote Cuomo, which I'd wager is one of the big reasons Sliwa's numbers were lower and Cuomo's higher than expected. So Cuomo wasn't just splitting Dems with Mamdani, he had a decent boost from strategic Republicans.

Sliwa isn't necessarily a serious candidate, but he is a long-time character in NYC (and nation-wide due to TV appearances in the 80s and 90s). It would kinda be like if Mr. T ran for mayor.
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Posted 05 November 2025 - 11:39 PM

View Postworry, on 05 November 2025 - 10:12 PM, said:

These things shift, but from the latest numbers Mamdani is right now ~35k above Cuomo and Sliwa combined, and will probably end >50%.

You are right about Cuomo being the (attempted) spoiler in this race though. Sliwa wasn't just begged to drop out, he was offered quite a lot of money to, and refused it. And DJT himself directed Republicans to vote Cuomo, which I'd wager is one of the big reasons Sliwa's numbers were lower and Cuomo's higher than expected. So Cuomo wasn't just splitting Dems with Mamdani, he had a decent boost from strategic Republicans.

Sliwa isn't necessarily a serious candidate, but he is a long-time character in NYC (and nation-wide due to TV appearances in the 80s and 90s). It would kinda be like if Mr. T ran for mayor.


If Cuomo had been winning last night and Mamdani only overtook him in the count today then MAGA would be going even crazier with claims about the election being stolen (to be fair I haven't seen any claims of "stolen election" so far this time around, but I'm confident they're being made by at least some of the crazies... or hardcore kayfabe loudmouths).
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Posted 06 November 2025 - 01:24 AM

Sliwa also absolutely hates Cuomo and always will. Sliwa makes about 300-400k from his radio show and doesn't need money, so he functionally found that hurting Cuomo was more fun than getting more money.
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Posted 06 November 2025 - 01:54 AM

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 05 November 2025 - 11:39 PM, said:

If Cuomo had been winning last night and Mamdani only overtook him in the count today then MAGA would be going even crazier with claims about the election being stolen (to be fair I haven't seen any claims of "stolen election" so far this time around, but I'm confident they're being made by at least some of the crazies... or hardcore kayfabe loudmouths).


And oh look there's Trump Himself ranting about the election in California being stolen...

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Posted 06 November 2025 - 08:27 AM

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Posted 06 November 2025 - 09:47 AM

How in the sam fuck can he blabber about 'unconstitutional' given how frequently he uses that document as toilet roll?
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Posted 06 November 2025 - 12:42 PM

 Maark Abbott, on 06 November 2025 - 09:47 AM, said:

How in the sam fuck can he blabber about 'unconstitutional' given how frequently he uses that document as toilet roll?


He doesn't care about the Constitution. He cares about who is loyal to him, and his narcissism makes it impossible for him to not have wins. The constitution only gets mentioned when he feels it will benefit him to mention it...he would use it as toilet paper for real if he could. He wants a Trump Kingdom where everyone is subservient to him...that's it.
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Posted 08 November 2025 - 01:00 AM

I am not a politician. I am not a political operative. The nuances may be escaping me. How can any president and political party actually go to the Supreme Court to demand relief from a court order that will provide 42 million Americans with SNAP benefits during a government shutdown? Is there some angle I am not seeing where any sane person would think this is a smart move?
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Posted 08 November 2025 - 02:17 AM

View PostCause, on 08 November 2025 - 01:00 AM, said:

I am not a politician. I am not a political operative. The nuances may be escaping me. How can any president and political party actually go to the Supreme Court to demand relief from a court order that will provide 42 million Americans with SNAP benefits during a government shutdown? Is there some angle I am not seeing where any sane person would think this is a smart move?


The really mind-boggling aspect of it is how Trump, in the Truth Social posts (oh right, "truths") I've seen, seems to be taking credit for it instead of maintaining the USDA website's bullshit about them just not having the funds because of the Democrats (and trans people and undocumented immigrants). Simplest explanations are belligerent dementia, expectation that people in Trump country will get their food from pro-Trump religious organizations who will bullshit about it being the Demon-rats' fault, and possibly Trump hoping to inspire looting so he can invoke the Insurrection Act and call in the military (even beyond the national guard...).

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Posted 08 November 2025 - 03:28 AM

View PostCause, on 08 November 2025 - 01:00 AM, said:

I am not a politician. I am not a political operative. The nuances may be escaping me. How can any president and political party actually go to the Supreme Court to demand relief from a court order that will provide 42 million Americans with SNAP benefits during a government shutdown? Is there some angle I am not seeing where any sane person would think this is a smart move?

There's a shocking amount of people who think that there's temporary pain to be endured before we get to "the good place".

The definition of temporary pain somehow includes 42 million people going into food insecurity or starvation.

It's shameful. It's Badalle and the children walking through a desert bad because everyone has failed them.
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Posted 08 November 2025 - 05:45 AM

Very interesting op-ed on TACO.

Donald Trump says he’s ‘f***ing crazy’ – but his one big tactic is about to backfire
President Trump dramatically raises the stakes to impose fear, compelling more concessions. But is his key tactic about to backfire?

https://www.news.com...d18251acd57ff02
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Posted 08 November 2025 - 02:08 PM

Et tu, Ketanji Brown Jackson?...

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Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson [...] halted a court order that would have required the Trump administration to fund food stamps in full, in a move that fueled new uncertainty around the immediate fate of the nation's largest anti-hunger program.

The justice did not rule on the legality of the White House's actions. Instead, she imposed a pause meant to give an appeals court more time to weigh legal arguments in the case, as the government forged ahead in its bid to withhold funding for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program during the federal shutdown.

Justice Jackson, a member of the court's three-justice liberal bloc who has spoken forcefully against many of the Trump administration's policies, issued a decision on the stay because she is responsible for emergency applications from that region of the country.

Trump Administration Appeals to Supreme Court to Block Order to Pay Full SNAP Benefits - The New York Times


Wonder if she made some sort of "deal" with the reactionaries who dominate the court...
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Posted 08 November 2025 - 10:03 PM

A plausible seeming explanation:

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Had Jackson refused to issue an administrative stay, it's entirely possible (indeed, she may already have known) that a majority of her colleagues were ready to do it themselves. I still think that this is what happened back in April when the full Court intervened shortly before 1 a.m., without explaining why Justice Alito hadn't, in the A.A.R.P. Alien Enemies Act case. And from Jackson's perspective, an administrative stay from the full Court would've been worse—almost certainly because it would have been open-ended (that is, it would not have had a deadline). The upshot would've been that Judge McConnell's order could've remained frozen indefinitely while the full Court took its time. Yesterday's grant of a stay in Trump v. Orr, for instance, came 48 days after the Justice Department first sought emergency relief.

Instead, by keeping the case for herself and granting the same relief, in contrast, Justice Jackson was able to directly influence the timing in both the First Circuit and the Supreme Court, at least for now. She nudged the First Circuit (which I expect to rule by the end of the weekend, Monday at the latest); and, assuming that court rules against the Trump administration, she also tied her colleagues' hands—by having her administrative stay expire 48 hours after the First Circuit rules. Of course, the full Court can extend the administrative stay (and Jackson can do it herself). But this way, at least, she's putting pressure on everyone—the First Circuit and the full Court—to move very quickly in deciding whether or not Judge McConnell's orders should be allowed to go into effect. From where I'm sitting, that's why Justice Jackson, the most vocal critic among the justices of the Court's behavior in Trump-related emergency applications, ruled herself here—rather than allowing the full Court to overrule her. It drastically increases the odds of the full Supreme Court resolving this issue by the end of next week—one way or the other.

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Posted 09 November 2025 - 09:18 AM

Hey look, I finally remembered by password!


I was at a conference in California a few weeks back and a lawyer showed a chart that visualised how many bills each government had passed over the recent years, I think it went as far back as George W Bush times. Not sure government is the right word as I don't know US politics so well. Legislature maybe? Anyway hopefully you get my drift. She said the current one is the least productive ever. Even counting that they are rolling multiple issues into single Bills and how many years in they are - the bar chart was wild - just the tiniest little number now compared to recent times. So they basically aren't even doing their job. I know none of us would be surprised but when you see it plain as day it's another thing to get angry about.
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Posted 09 November 2025 - 09:22 AM

I also got a full tilt MAGA Uber driver. 8am and he didn't stop talking the whole 30minutes to the airport. Mate, I don't need this shit in my life. He knew of Nigel Farage and Tommy Robinson. At one point I cut in and said "But do you really think America will allow Sharia Law to become a thing in Missouri?" and he said "No not really" but then just carried on ranting about liberals anyway.
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Posted 09 November 2025 - 03:50 PM

View PostMezla PigDog, on 09 November 2025 - 09:18 AM, said:

Hey look, I finally remembered by password!


I was at a conference in California a few weeks back and a lawyer showed a chart that visualised how many bills each government had passed over the recent years, I think it went as far back as George W Bush times. Not sure government is the right word as I don't know US politics so well. Legislature maybe? Anyway hopefully you get my drift. She said the current one is the least productive ever. Even counting that they are rolling multiple issues into single Bills and how many years in they are - the bar chart was wild - just the tiniest little number now compared to recent times. So they basically aren't even doing their job. I know none of us would be surprised but when you see it plain as day it's another thing to get angry about.


The Trump presidency and the current republican party, I have decided to call them out separately because Trump doesnt care about the party, are content to rule by executive order at present. Its short sighted because it can all be reversed overnight if democrats win. The reason we are in the longest government shutdown in history is because the current republican party cannot achieve an ounce of bipartisanship. They ant even win over the 5 democratic votes or whatever pitiful number they need by offering the slightest olive branch.

2023: 34
2024: 240 (got to finish your homework before teacher passes her grade on Novemeber 5th)
2025: 36

America elects stupid people, people unsuited to office who do not know how to get things done. The current speaker of the house wasn't elected by his colleagues out of respect for his political prowess but because he was the least objectionable option who as a former nobody had no enemies and who could be puppeted by everyone. Republicans whether out of stupidity or malice break government and then point at the disfunction as reason to discontinue those government agencies, works, policies. Bipartisanship is at an all time low. Feeding children is considered a debatable issue. America is really unwell right now.
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Posted 09 November 2025 - 05:26 PM

View PostCause, on 09 November 2025 - 03:50 PM, said:

The Trump presidency and the current republican party, I have decided to call them out separately because Trump doesnt care about the party, are content to rule by executive order at present. Its short sighted because it can all be reversed overnight if democrats win. The reason we are in the longest government shutdown in history is because the current republican party cannot achieve an ounce of bipartisanship. They ant even win over the 5 democratic votes or whatever pitiful number they need by offering the slightest olive branch.

2023: 34
2024: 240 (got to finish your homework before teacher passes her grade on Novemeber 5th)
2025: 36

America elects stupid people, people unsuited to office who do not know how to get things done. The current speaker of the house wasn't elected by his colleagues out of respect for his political prowess but because he was the least objectionable option who as a former nobody had no enemies and who could be puppeted by everyone. Republicans whether out of stupidity or malice break government and then point at the disfunction as reason to discontinue those government agencies, works, policies. Bipartisanship is at an all time low. Feeding children is considered a debatable issue. America is really unwell right now.


George W. Bush: 291 executive orders over 8 years, average 36/year
Obama: 276 executive orders over 8 years, 35/year
Trump first term: 220 over 4, 55/year
Biden: 162 over 4, 41/year

Trump second term: 212 executive orders over less than a year, for an average of 280/year

Executive Orders | The American Presidency Project

Perhaps eventually every law will be stamped with a gilded augmented reality TRUMP by ubiquitous Trump AI avatars... after he ascends into the warren of cyberspace, and almost everyone in this country is entwined in His coils as he aspires to swell his glittering hoard...

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