[Tiste Simeon]

Looks like lots of people are gathering in NY now, both protestors and supporters. Here's hoping things go peacefully altogether.

[QuickTidal]

 Tiste Simeon, on 04 April 2023 - 10:44 AM, said:

Looks like lots of people are gathering in NY now, both protestors and supporters. Here's hoping things go peacefully altogether.

On Fox News they showed him leaving Mar A Lago and they said "Look at the fans lining the streets".....and there were three people, and the music overtop was Adele's "Easy on Me"....LOL, you cannot make this up...

The Copium is real.

[Abyss]

He won't make it a 'physical' confrontation. It would validate the positioning of him as a Jan 6 leader/figurehead and he would only lose credibility among the richer less insane (but infinitely self-centered) people supporting him. Trump as beloved by the proletariat is useful. Trump leading them to arrest and injury at the hands of law enforcement. A future president cannot barricade themselves in a resort or condo and be dragged out in cuffs alongside the cast from a really bad survivalist reality tv show.

[QuickTidal]

Well he's in NY now, so he's surrendering, so he didn't do what everyone expected. He just put his tail between his legs and puts his hands up.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

 QuickTidal, on 04 April 2023 - 01:44 PM, said:

Well he's in NY now, so he's surrendering, so he didn't do what everyone expected. He just put his tail between his legs and puts his hands up.

If he tries to flee the state now (assuming he's still there) I imagine law enforcement will detain him. So probably not a head-fake.

Seems Trump's vanity won out:

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Inside Trump’s Demands for a High-Profile Surrender: ‘It’s Kind of a Jesus Christ Thing’

Trump insisted on turning his Tuesday arraignment into a spectacle, and he’s going to get his wish.

[...] offered a chance to surrender quietly and be arraigned over Zoom. Instead, Trump opted for a midday, high-profile booking [...]

“He wanted a perp walk, he wanted daylight hours, [...] He wants to get out of the vehicle and walk up the stairs. This is a nightmare for Secret Service, but they can only strongly suggest — not order — that Trump enter through the secure tunnels, [...] Trump wants to greet the crowd. [...] ”

“It’s kind of a Jesus Christ thing. He is saying ‘I’m absorbing all this pain from all around from everywhere so you don’t have to,’ ”

[...] He will not be handcuffed[...] “Secret Service said absolutely not, no cuffs, no way.”

[...] “It will be a shitshow,” [...]

[...] Trump’s mugshot will be anything but ordinary, owing to the Secret Service team surrounding him at all times. “We may have a group mugshot,” [...] “I wish I was joking, I’m not.”

Inside Trump’s Demands for a High-Profile Surrender: ‘It’s Kind of a Jesus Christ Thing’

IDK why the Secret Service won't 'allow' Trump to be handcuffed---afraid it might cut off circulation to his elderly hands?...

[worry]

Well...it's a secret.

[Abyss]

 QuickTidal, on 04 April 2023 - 01:44 PM, said:

Well he's in NY now, so he's surrendering, so he didn't do what everyone expected. He just put his tail between his legs and puts his hands up.

This is what was expected. He does the 'presidential' convoy in, the perp walk, the indignant noble wrongly accused and forced to debase himself because he has nothing to hide. This is all very on brand.

 Azath Vitr (D, on 04 April 2023 - 02:02 PM, said:

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IDK why the Secret Service won't 'allow' Trump to be handcuffed---afraid it might cut off circulation to his elderly hands?...

He's an ex president, zero flight risk, zero danger to anyone around him, and also a rich old white guy.

[worry]

Pretty much the long and the short of it:

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

 Abyss, on 04 April 2023 - 02:15 PM, said:

 Azath Vitr (D, on 04 April 2023 - 02:02 PM, said:

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IDK why the Secret Service won't 'allow' Trump to be handcuffed---afraid it might cut off circulation to his elderly hands?...

He's an ex president, zero flight risk, zero danger to anyone around him, and also a rich old white guy.

But Trump reportedly wants to be handcuffed... or at least did until he found out they can be uncomfortable.

Maybe they're worried his tiny fingers will fall off? Weak circulation?

Harvey Weinstein was a rich old white guy, and he was handcuffed....

Handcuffed and Stunned, Harvey Weinstein Is Ordered to Jail | Vanity Fair

It's apparently very common---perhaps standard practice?

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people charged with violent crimes are usually handcuffed behind their backs, but many who have white-collar nonviolent crimes have their hands cuffed in front.

Trump arraignment: Will he be arrested? Go to jail? Be handcuffed? Here's what to expect. (slate.com)

Another example:

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Rod Blagojevich, the former governor of Illinois [...] "Just because you committed a white-collar crime, you're not immune from being arrested. We hope it sends a message to others that if they are doing similarly bad things, they may end up in handcuffs,"

To perp walk or not: When do white-collar defendants get to surrender peacefully? (abajournal.com)

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 04 April 2023 - 02:37 PM

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 worry, on 04 April 2023 - 02:27 PM, said:

Pretty much the long and the short of it:

This actually gets at the root of the problem...there's so many other newsworthy things that the news networks could focus on....SO....MANY....but no, it's now the Donald Trump Indicted Channel 24/7 with 84 pundits giving their opinion and replaying whatever footage they have....

This is what led to 2016....shoving this clown into everyones faces on every stupid (and I do mean stupid; 24hr news channels are the BANE of society and marked our downturn) 24hr news channel for days/weeks is what keeps him in everyones head....that's what he wants.

We should have reported on it, and then moved on....but that's not how 24hr news networks pay their bread and butter, they find a topic and HAMMER it all day for hours to old Boomers who don't leave the fucking house.

I hate this timeline.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

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While it is standard for defendants arrested on felony charges [Trump is being charge with felonies] to be handcuffed, it is unclear whether they will make an exception for Mr. Trump because of his status. Most defendants have their hands cuffed behind their backs, but some white-collar defendants who are deemed to pose less of a danger have their hands secured in front of them.


N.Y. Authorities Prepare for Unprecedented Arrest of an Ex-President - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

fwiw (from Quora):

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It is standard procedure in almost all U.S. jurisdictions for police to handcuff felony suspects regardless of age, weight, crime.

When cops arrest a white collar criminal who is obviously not a flight risk or dangerous, why do they insist on putting on handcuffs? - Quora

[Nicodimas]

The good thing about trump going down and being indicted will mean future politicians can now investigate past politicians and get them charged with crimes.

Everyone’s guilty of something in the eyes of the mob!

May trump be all the news from this point on…

In others news a trump supporter has also been indicted on felony charges faces 10 years in prison:

https://pjmedia.com/...y-meme-n1683566

As an American hopefully we can find more ways to prosecute more trump supporters. (Nazis and all right) may the full weight of the government and law come down upon them.

[worry]

Nobody should click that link, obviously, but if you want a chuckle the first line is: Donald Trump has been indicted, essentially for the crime of being Donald Trump and opposing the Left’s total hegemony over everything.

[worry]

The guy who wrote it is an infamous far right bigot who is presently the director of a blog called Jihad Watch that publishes a steady stream of anti-Muslim propaganda, in case you're wondering which stores in the marketplace of ideas Nico's buying our presents at.

[Primateus]

 Azath Vitr (D, on 04 April 2023 - 02:02 PM, said:

 QuickTidal, on 04 April 2023 - 01:44 PM, said:

Well he's in NY now, so he's surrendering, so he didn't do what everyone expected. He just put his tail between his legs and puts his hands up.

If he tries to flee the state now (assuming he's still there) I imagine law enforcement will detain him. So probably not a head-fake.

Seems Trump's vanity won out:

Quote

Inside Trump's Demands for a High-Profile Surrender: 'It's Kind of a Jesus Christ Thing'

Trump insisted on turning his Tuesday arraignment into a spectacle, and he's going to get his wish.

[...] offered a chance to surrender quietly and be arraigned over Zoom. Instead, Trump opted for a midday, high-profile booking [...]

"He wanted a perp walk, he wanted daylight hours, [...] He wants to get out of the vehicle and walk up the stairs. This is a nightmare for Secret Service, but they can only strongly suggest — not order — that Trump enter through the secure tunnels, [...] Trump wants to greet the crowd. [...] "

"It's kind of a Jesus Christ thing. He is saying 'I'm absorbing all this pain from all around from everywhere so you don't have to,' "

[...] He will not be handcuffed[...] "Secret Service said absolutely not, no cuffs, no way."

[...] "It will be a shitshow," [...]

[...] Trump's mugshot will be anything but ordinary, owing to the Secret Service team surrounding him at all times. "We may have a group mugshot," [...] "I wish I was joking, I'm not."

Inside Trump's Demands for a High-Profile Surrender: 'It's Kind of a Jesus Christ Thing'

IDK why the Secret Service won't 'allow' Trump to be handcuffed---afraid it might cut off circulation to his elderly hands?...

Is it even possible to cuff such tiny little hands?

[QuickTidal]

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The good thing about trump going down and being indicted will mean future politicians can now investigate past politicians and get them charged with crimes.

You nut jobs say this as if it's some kind of threat...it's. fucking. not.

If ANY pubic servant has committed provable crimes....charge them.

This is not the team fucking sports you Right-wing crazies think it is....I'm Team "Lock Up The Criminal". Full stop. I could give a shit what political stripe they might be...if they did heinous shit, throw the book at them.

 worry, on 04 April 2023 - 03:51 PM, said:

The guy who wrote it is an infamous far right bigot who is presently the director of a blog called Jihad Watch that publishes a steady stream of anti-Muslim propaganda, in case you're wondering which stores in the marketplace of ideas Nico's buying our presents at.

I would expect nothing less from someone as far gone as Nico is. He operates in another reality entirely and thinks for some reason that posting about it here will achieve something.

Does Nico even like Erikson? Like why is he here? I cannot imagine being so idealistically juxtaposed to an author than the shit he spews VS what Erikson stands for.

[Nicodimas]

@ worry



https://www.realclea...ort_149059.html

[Nicodimas]

@ qt

Most if all presidents have committed crimes in their tenure that would be considered felonies. Theirs lists somewhere, but they do it on the welfare of the nations best interests. If you look at American history we have some very dark spots across history for the nations best interests.

I think Erikson talks about tyrants in a very specific manner. The left engaging in political prosecutions simply emboldens that party. Simply disappointing in the matter they have for about it as this is how many times they tried to get him on… to fail. Americans love a winner and if he escapes from this.. we will have a trump in office again. As he will look like that dark knight that escaped everything his base believes evil about the other party.

Disappointing. As we should have let him fade into the shadows. They could have pointed out all his failures. ( like he said he would get healthcare to post prices before you went in on his campaign etc). I didn’t want Trump in the limelight or in office again. Or ever really. So yeah I simply view the way they went about this intolerable , but guess what we will see how this plays out

I view this as theater that will make the 98 show small by comparison.

This post has been edited by Nicodimas: 04 April 2023 - 04:23 PM

[Abyss]

 Nicodimas, on 04 April 2023 - 04:20 PM, said:

... we should have let him fade into the shadows....

If you believe he was going to do that you have not been paying attention to the sites you keep linking.

[QuickTidal]

 Nicodimas, on 04 April 2023 - 04:20 PM, said:

I think Erikson talks about tyrants in a very specific manner.

He would find you insufferable.