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#13401 User is offline   Azath Vitr (D'ivers 

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Posted 26 February 2021 - 09:58 PM

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'CPAC STAGE USES NAZI SYMBOL? "Having worked with Norse and Elder Futhark iconography for years, I'm quite alert to the glyph shapes and their associations in the modern world and history. So, why is the #CPAC2021 stage an Odal rune, and specifically one with serifs (or wings) that was used by the Nazi SS?"'

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'Othala Rune
General Hate Symbols Neo-Nazi Symbols

ALTERNATE NAMES: Othal Rune, Othila Rune, Odal Rune[...]

[...] In the 20th century, Nazis in Germany adopted the othal rune, among many other similar symbols, as part of their attempt to reconstruct a mythic "Aryan" past. Nazi uses of the symbol included the divisional insignia of two Waffen SS divisions during World War II. Following World War II, white supremacists in Europe, North America, and elsewhere began using the othala rune. Today, it is commonly seen in tattoo form, on flags or banners, as part of group logos, and elsewhere.'

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Posted 26 February 2021 - 10:57 PM

Is Trump the keynote, last night speaker at that? I wonder what his message will be if he is? MAGA 2024?

"The next four years of Beijing Biden, illegitimate president who stole the election, this is what the American carnage will become . . ."

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Posted 27 February 2021 - 04:42 PM

'A sitting member of Congress appeared at a white nationalist convention Friday night, marking [new more explicit] GOP support for the racist movement. Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ) spoke in Orlando, Florida, at the America First Political Action conference, a far-right event meant to mimic the establishment Republican Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC).

After Gosar's speech, AFPAC organizer Nick Fuentes, who [...] was outside the Capitol with his supporters during the Jan. 6 riot, [...] warned that "white people are done being bullied." Fuentes praised the fatal riot as "awesome," describing it as "light-hearted mischief." He also mocked Gosar's colleague, Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-NC), for needing a wheelchair, saying Cawthorn couldn't "stand up" for his constituents.

"'I'm gonna take a stand?'" Fuentes said. "How? How are you gonna do that?"

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Gosar attempted to distance himself from the white nationalist event Saturday morning at a panel on CPAC. Without mentioning what he was specifically referring to, Gosar said, "I want to tell you—I denounce when we talk about white racism. That's not appropriate."'

https://www.thedaily...wesome?ref=home

That seems like a charitable interpretation of 'I denounce when we talk about white racism'... as opposed to 'I denounce white racism'. The old plausible deniability, 'how dare you criticize our "improper" or imprecise language, that's just the way we talk, how dare you read racism into that' dog-whistle rope-a-dope... multiply the wells of resentment.

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Posted 27 February 2021 - 06:14 PM



The Trump clip is from his speech that led into the riot.

The full Cruz quote is: 'In the immortal words of William Wallace, FREEEDOOOMMMM!'... just to clear up any doubts about whether he's asking people to fight to the death. (Of course, whether he's quoting the scream at the end or 'they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM!', both those quotes were made up for the movie. A historically accurate quote of his would be: 'We come here with no peaceful intent, but ready for battle, determined to avenge our wrongs and set our country free. Let your masters come and attack us: we are ready to meet them beard to beard.' Obviously some homophobes would take issue with that... or 'I have brought you to the ring, now dance if you can.')
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Posted 27 February 2021 - 08:46 PM

Oh boy, here we go again. So, March 4th now I guess. Talk about moving the goal post. If it doesn't happen on that day, then when is the next window? July 4th and some fantasy about declaring independence or something?
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Posted 27 February 2021 - 10:56 PM

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 26 February 2021 - 09:58 PM, said:

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'CPAC STAGE USES NAZI SYMBOL? "Having worked with Norse and Elder Futhark iconography for years, I'm quite alert to the glyph shapes and their associations in the modern world and history. So, why is the #CPAC2021 stage an Odal rune, and specifically one with serifs (or wings) that was used by the Nazi SS?"'

https://www.facebook...64931116933237/

'Othala Rune
General Hate Symbols Neo-Nazi Symbols

ALTERNATE NAMES: Othal Rune, Othila Rune, Odal Rune[...]

[...] In the 20th century, Nazis in Germany adopted the othal rune, among many other similar symbols, as part of their attempt to reconstruct a mythic "Aryan" past. Nazi uses of the symbol included the divisional insignia of two Waffen SS divisions during World War II. Following World War II, white supremacists in Europe, North America, and elsewhere began using the othala rune. Today, it is commonly seen in tattoo form, on flags or banners, as part of group logos, and elsewhere.'

https://www.adl.org/...ols/othala-rune


Well I saw cpac had to cancel young Pharoh (a rapper I have never heard of) for saying Jews are not real. Ironically his speech was on cancel culture apparently? So par for the course dog whistling if they can get away with it.
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Posted 28 February 2021 - 07:21 PM

View PostMalankazooie, on 26 February 2021 - 10:57 PM, said:

Is Trump the keynote, last night speaker at that? I wonder what his message will be if he is? MAGA 2024?

"The next four years of Beijing Biden, illegitimate president who stole the election, this is what the American carnage will become . . ."

Saw a chyron on CNN that Trump will be the closing speaker. Any you guys going to watch? I'll probably just get the highlights myself. I can't watch this garbage for very long.
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Posted 28 February 2021 - 07:56 PM

I'll just catch it on SNL
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Posted 02 March 2021 - 03:32 AM

https://edition.cnn....zakaria-vpx.cnn

Not sure if this is the right place but things like this fascinate me. Why ask bill gates if the stimilus package is the right size. He is a smart guy, a billionaire, philanthropist sure but he is not a world class economist. Why do we ask the wrong people? Bill gates is by no means the worst example of this but we seem to trust fame over anything else.
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Posted 02 March 2021 - 05:44 AM

My impression of the major news networks is that it's not actually about news or information. It's a TV-show where a host of characters, hired opinion monkeys, say things that a survey says the viewers like to hear - With special guests, like bored billionaire Bill Gates and reformed piece of shit Michael Cohen.
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Posted 02 March 2021 - 10:36 AM

View PostCause, on 02 March 2021 - 03:32 AM, said:

https://edition.cnn....aria-vpx.cnnNot sure if this is the right place but things like this fascinate me. Why ask bill gates if the stimilus package is the right size. He is a smart guy, a billionaire, philanthropist sure but he is not a world class economist. Why do we ask the wrong people? Bill gates is by no means the worst example of this but we seem to trust fame over anything else.


Why do they ask actors about politics and social issues? It's not about the facts but about the clicks.

View PostAptorian, on 02 March 2021 - 05:44 AM, said:

My impression of the major news networks is that it's not actually about news or information. It's a TV-show where a host of characters, hired opinion monkeys, say things that a survey says the viewers like to hear - With special guests, like bored billionaire Bill Gates and reformed piece of shit Michael Cohen.


"Info-tainment" - with not much info and the rest can barely be classified as "-tainment". Maybe Con-tainment? :p
Also, refer to "it's all about the clicks".

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Posted 05 March 2021 - 12:46 AM

View PostMalankazooie, on 27 February 2021 - 08:46 PM, said:

Oh boy, here we go again. So, March 4th now I guess. Talk about moving the goal post. If it doesn't happen on that day, then when is the next window? July 4th and some fantasy about declaring independence or something?

Well, I think we are going to welcome March 5 without a repeat of complete QAnon chaos like Jan. 6 (too much security now?). But what date is next? Will this keep happening until Trump is ushered in as permanent leader?
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Posted 05 March 2021 - 05:31 PM

View PostMalankazooie, on 05 March 2021 - 12:46 AM, said:

View PostMalankazooie, on 27 February 2021 - 08:46 PM, said:

Oh boy, here we go again. So, March 4th now I guess. Talk about moving the goal post. If it doesn't happen on that day, then when is the next window? July 4th and some fantasy about declaring independence or something?

Well, I think we are going to welcome March 5 without a repeat of complete QAnon chaos like Jan. 6 (too much security now?). But what date is next? Will this keep happening until Trump is ushered in as permanent leader?


'QAnon was born in October of 2017 with a post on the message board 4chan that predicted the imminent arrest of Hillary Clinton. The anonymous writer, known as Q, who claimed to be a government insider with top security clearance, said her arrest would spark mass riots.

"HRC extradition already in motion effective yesterday with several countries in case of cross border run. Passport approved to be flagged effective 10/30 @ 12:01am. Expect massive riots organized in defiance and others fleeing the US to occur," Q wrote.

[...] But that original prediction never came true, and dozens more like it over the last three and a half years have also failed to materialize. And yet, since that first false message, QAnon has grown into a global conspiracy phenomenon with millions of adherents in dozens of countries across the globe. [...]

"The entire QAnon belief system is built on getting burnt," [...] "It has never been a problem for the movement, it's been a feature of the movement." [However, they did seem to lose members after Biden's inauguration. Though that could have more to do with Trump no longer being in power than in the prophecy having failed....]

As [March 4th] approached, most of the movement's major influencers decided that they wanted to avoid a repeat of January 20, when so many believers said they felt let down when Biden became president. Those influencers dismissed the March 4 prediction as something created by the "fake news" media "to make the movement look dumb."

[...]

Unlike the aftermath of the Biden inauguration, there was no anger or frustration Friday morning within QAnon channels and groups on platforms like Gab and Telegram.

Instead, followers said that they always knew that March 4 was a false prophecy, saying that "true believers" knew not to expect a Trump inauguration. They claim that the people who had predicted something would happen on March 4 hadn't done their research.

"Q never mentioned March 4 Anons are no different than me and you. Don't blame Q for what crazy ideas people come up with,"[... Last I read Q had stopped posting, which makes me wonder if they'll eventually drop the "Q" part. Pizzagate was before Q after all...]

Instead, the movement serves as a way for believers to identify as peace-loving patriots while also hoping for the execution of their enemies.

"That is all a byproduct of a broader cultural yearning in America for fascism, for hardcore order in law," [...] "For the boot of the state and the military to come down onto the neck of those that you don't like, those you blame for your material conditions."

And no matter what happens, [...] the goal will always be the same.

"Just because QAnon's wrong doesn't mean that they're suddenly not going to want to see their enemies hanged." [And tortured for eternity in hell.]

https://www.vice.com...is-ok-with-that

'The future of QAnon, explained by 8 experts

[...]

It's a religion — and religions have staying power

[...]

Research suggests that some people are unusually predisposed to accept implausible conspiratorial beliefs, and that those people may accept multiple such beliefs at once, even when the beliefs are brazenly contradictory. In any case, the glaring failure of a prophecy is almost never enough to make the prophecy go away.

[...]

Many observers of the movement have compared QAnon's failings — the myriad predictions that did not come to pass, including the very predictions of ultimate Trumpian victory that served as the foundation of the conspiracy theory — to the 1844 "Great Disappointment."

[...] the world did not end on October 22, 1844. [Or any of the new dates proposed afterwards.] But neither, surprisingly, did the Millerites. Instead, they broke into factions — the most famous of which, the Seventh-Day Adventist Church, came to believe that October 22 did not mark the second coming but rather an event that took place in heaven.

Failed predictions will not doom QAnon, as it did not doom the Millerites, because QAnon could perhaps be best understood as a religious movement of sorts that places faith above accuracy, and believes in, above everything else, a final judgment for sinners where, to loosely quote Philippians 2:10-11, every knee shall bend and every tongue shall confess. It's just that to QAnon, "sinners" are "all Democrats, and most celebrities" and the tongues of all would be confessing that Donald Trump has defeated ultimate evil.

[...] QAnon movement doesn't behave merely like a pro-Trump conspiracy theory but instead like a baby religion, born on the social web and spread by Q's acolytes to extremists who feel the movement's anti-establishment message in their bones.

[...] Within the QAnon movement exists a well-practiced ecosystem that reflexively shifted the goalposts to keep followers engaged. Some claimed that their predictions had come true despite appearing not to, and others pushed the deadline for their prediction back a handful of weeks.

[...]

QAnon followers have been mostly purged from mainstream social media platforms following the January 6 insurrection. While this has hurt their proselytization and propaganda efforts, it has also enhanced their self-image as persecuted renegades.

A minority of less tech-savvy or less committed QAnon followers have given up on the movement, but the true believers are doubling down on alternate platforms such as Gab or Telegram. They continue to "trust the plan" and will likely do so for the rest of their lives. They're now committed to the cause because of the community, the sense of mission, and the time and sacrifice they have already invested.

[...]

The point of QAnon is not just that Hillary Clinton is already in prison at Guantanamo Bay or that Nancy Pelosi eats children. The point of QAnon is that there will be a point of reckoning in which evil will be punished and good will be rewarded. QAnon offers purpose, direction, mooring in a world that seems threatening, and offers insider knowledge of a "Plan," one that remains clear no matter what actually takes place in real life. Donald Trump will somehow be president again, or already is president, forever and always, amen. [...]

QAnon believers are a captive audience, and a vulnerable one.

[...] it's safe to assume that bad actors (including those openly encouraging acts of violence) will continue to take advantage of the faith QAnon believers have and are clinging to.

I wish I could say that we will see the movement's members begin to realize they are being toyed with, but I think that's unlikely on a widespread scale anytime soon. As the major social media platforms crack down on QAnon content, violent extremists are actively working to radicalize QAnon believers for their own purposes.

[...]

Just as elements of ancient anti-Semitic doomsaying belief systems were recycled into Pizzagate and eventually into QAnon, the QAnon narrative is already evolving and adapting to the current moment.

The Q worldview isn't just highly tolerant of contradictions; it's reality-proof. Which is another way of saying QAnon is not going anywhere. It will morph, and may even eventually go by a different name, but for as long as the major political fault lines in this nation are drawn between elites and populists, QAnon — or whatever it warps into — will be with us.

[...] Some QAnon followers may be recruited by or blend with more militant extremist movements. We can already see this in how they borrowed arguments from the sovereign citizen movement in order to absurdly claim that Trump's true inauguration date will be March 4. Some extremism researchers have also observed neo-Nazis organizing social media "raids" that are part of an effort to recruit disaffected QAnon followers.

[...] In its current form, QAnon exists as a decentralized catchall for conspiracy theories alleging nefarious actions are being conducted in the upper echelons of world power. Even if Q posts and Trump gradually take a backseat role in the movement, many of the tagalong theories — on topics including 5G, vaccines, and alternative medicine — will produce significant risks to the public.

[...] I think that QAnon, as it was originally constituted, may be almost over. Without Trump in office or on Twitter, and with no new posts from Q in months, the community is basically running on fumes. It's always conceivable that Q could come back, or that some new development could jolt believers back to their keyboards. But I don't think random tweets from Lin Wood and the MyPillow guy are going to be enough to keep them hopeful and engaged. They're pretty dispirited.

But even if QAnon dies, I fully expect that many of its core beliefs will get watered down a bit, stripped of the Q-related language, and dissolved into Republican Party orthodoxy. [...] I wouldn't be shocked if that cohort pushed the entire Republican Party in a more conspiracy-minded, reality-denying direction. By 2024, Marjorie Taylor Greene may look like a moderate.'

https://www.vox.com/...piracy-theories

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Posted 05 March 2021 - 05:48 PM

So I guess we need to talk about it. Neanderthals.

Pretty stupid news cycle to make that a thing. Almost, but not quite as stupid as Potato Head fighting. And are we really going to stay hung up on it when not even a year ago it was reported that Trump called WWII veterans suckers and losers.

Neanderthal should be taken as a compliment. They had quite the run and weren't just living in caves, throwing rocks at each other and going "oooga boooga, unga bunga."
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Posted 05 March 2021 - 06:15 PM

Context?
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Posted 05 March 2021 - 06:48 PM

View PostAptorian, on 05 March 2021 - 06:15 PM, said:

Context?


'Biden sharply criticized states such as Texas and Mississippi for lifting Covid-19 restrictions against pleas from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and other top public health officials, accusing those in power of "Neanderthal thinking." [...]

"The last thing -- the last thing we need is Neanderthal thinking that in the meantime, everything's fine, take off your mask, forget it. It still matters," Biden said, referencing a card he keeps in his pocket with the daily death toll of the virus amid his administration's push to get vaccines into arms.'

https://www.cnn.com/...irus/index.html

'Shift in scientific consensus about demise of Neanderthals

For long, one theory seemed most likely: the emergence of the highly intelligent Homo sapiens, or modern humans. This competition hypothesis is no longer the dominant theory among scientists, research among archaeologists and anthropologists has shown.

Think of Neanderthals and [most people who don't follow science are] likely to think of a bunch of savages, a kind of half-ape that pales in comparison with modern humans with their boundless intelligence and refined manners. This image is often linked to the demise of the Neanderthals: they had to die out when their brainy cousin Homo sapiens came on the scene.

But [...] most experts—in Palaeolithic archaeology or anthropology—no longer believe this competition theory to be the most plausible explanation for the disappearance of the Neanderthals. Most scientists now think a demographic explanation is more likely.

Dusseldorp attributes the paradigm shift to recent findings that make the competition hypothesis seem less plausible. Previous Leiden research has shown that the 'stupid' Neanderthals made tar from birch bark and used this to glue spearheads to a spear. Not so dumb after all. And in February it was announced that Neanderthals had left cave paintings in Spain, when for a long time art had only been attributed to modern humans.

Archaeological differences vanish almost completely

This means that archaeological differences between Neanderthals and Homo sapiens have almost completely vanished, [...] "It would seem that Neanderthals were about as clever as Homo sapiens, as long as you compare them in the same period." Neanderthals and Homo sapiens walked the earth together an impressive 200,000 years ago, and it seems as though these contemporaries were more or less equally developed.'

https://phys.org/new...anderthals.html

Seems like Biden was trying to sound 'educated' or 'scientific' by using 'neanderthal', but ended up revealing his own (belligerent) ignorance (or bad memory for new information).

Comparing conservatives to 'less evolved' primate species is not necessarily a winning strategy.

But this sort of 'throw-back', 'insensitive', 'ignorant' insult could appeal to conservatives (... if they don't feel it's directed at them). Then when people criticize Biden for being scientifically ignorant and un-PC it's similar to criticizing conservatives for repeating traditional sayings that are inaccurate or un-PC, or more generally speaking in a way that isn't precise (this is one way Trump &co get less educated and/or rural voters to identify with them, and get outraged by criticism of their language).

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Posted 05 March 2021 - 07:22 PM

'Meghan McCain Melts Down: "We're Just Deplorable Neanderthals!"

"The View" host went off on Biden for saying Republicans were engaging in "Neanderthal thinking" before admitting she had no problem with Trump calling gang members "animals."

[...] Conservatives had found their new "basket of deplorables" and would start self-identifying as cavemen to own the libs.

On Friday, Joy Behar opened The View by asking if this whole "scandal" could be considered a "win to just get Republicans to admit that evolution exists?"

[...] explaining the difference between calling someone a "Neanderthal" and saying, as Biden did, that they are engaging in "Neanderthal thinking."' [Same goes for 'acting like animals' vs 'they are animals'.]

'[McCain:] "You can laugh and say 'Oh, it's a joke,' whatever, but Republicans across the country already feel like people on the left think they're dumb rednecks," she continued, "they're just stupid deplorables in baskets, nobody cares about their trucks and their flags. That's what Republicans think the media thinks of them."

In the end, she said, "All it does is it's going to help Republicans be more tribal and think that we're just deplorable Neanderthals, the left has no place for us, so there's no unity whatsoever."

"I have no problem calling vicious gang members 'animals,'" she said. "But if it's not OK to call gang members 'animals,' but it's OK to call Republicans who are in the middle of the country 'Neanderthals' it just seems like a lot of hypocrisy."'

https://www.thedaily...omment?ref=home

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Posted 05 March 2021 - 07:23 PM

Must be a slow news week. Neanderthal = Primitive = Stupid decisions. It's not a meaning you need a PHD to comprehend.
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Posted 05 March 2021 - 08:30 PM

View PostAptorian, on 05 March 2021 - 07:23 PM, said:

Must be a slow news week. Neanderthal = Primitive = Stupid decisions. It's not a meaning you need a PHD to comprehend.


Right-wingers are still going on about Hillary's 'basket of deplorables' comment from 2016....

I hope the Trump wing doesn't go too far in trying to claim Dr. Seuss and neanderthals for themselves (the way they proudly labeled themselves 'deplorables' for years afterwards... though neanderthal cosplay and declamatory performances of Seuss's most racist and xenophobic rhymes could be sort of entertaining). Trump did like reciting 'the snake' after all....

'Gov. Mike Huckabee [on Twitter]

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The misspelling of 'Dr. Seuss' is what makes this perfect....

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Posted 05 March 2021 - 08:54 PM

Do any of you guys know if Jill Biden has declared a First Lady project yet? I know Ivanka Melania Trump had the 'Be Best' thing, Michelle Obama had a number of projects - WH garden, better nutrition in schools comes to mind, Laura Bush did something with reading and libraries I vaguley recall. Has Jill Biden made public any initiatives she will champion?
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