[Chance]

HiddenOne, on 17 November 2012 - 01:12 PM, said:

So the imminent outbreak of WW3 in the Gaza/Israel situation doesn't alarm you?

Look at the positive side of it at least you wont have to worry about Israel - Iran situation for 6+ months while they comit atrocities on closer arabs even tragic situations have some gold lining

This post has been edited by Chance: 17 November 2012 - 09:06 PM

[Nicodimas]

This would be more of gulf war 3 and the potential collapse of China in the next 4/8 years.

its not the end of the world btw, just a crash of most centralized goverments..nothing to be stressed about as most of the agendas are terrible.

I can assure you all my bunker is freaking amazing..be jealous.

[amphibian]

Nicodimas, on 18 November 2012 - 03:30 AM, said:

I can assure you all my bunker is freaking amazing..be jealous.

Pics or GTFO.

[worry]

What, you aren't saving space for your Malazan brethren?

[Cause]

Nicodimas, on 18 November 2012 - 03:30 AM, said:

This would be more of gulf war 3 and the potential collapse of China in the next 4/8 years.

its not the end of the world btw, just a crash of most centralized goverments..nothing to be stressed about as most of the agendas are terrible.

I can assure you all my bunker is freaking amazing..be jealous.

What does China have to do with a Gulf War?

I also want to see pics of your bunker.

Edit- Unlike Amphibian I actually believe you have one.

This post has been edited by Cause: 18 November 2012 - 11:12 AM

[EmperorMagus]

HiddenOne, on 17 November 2012 - 01:12 PM, said:

So the imminent outbreak of WW3 in the Gaza/Israel situation doesn't alarm you? I was just about to stock my bomb shelter with Twinkies, too, but I left my Uzi at home and couldn't get the last case from the supermarket.

I keep waiting for something to be said along the lines of official statement from the Fed Govt, but I think it has only been "You go, girl!"

I bet Nico has some Twinkies in his bunker

Israel has to fight with someone every couple of years and I don't know whose fault it is.
But it happens a lot and I myself don't think anything will come out of it.(except a lot of dead bodies of course)

[Nicodimas]

Edit.Opsec.

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War and Inflation by Lew Rockwell (2008 – excerpt):

The U.S. central bank, called the Federal Reserve, was created in 1913. No one promoted this institution with the slogan that it would make wars more likely and guarantee that nearly half a million Americans would die in battle in foreign lands, along with millions of foreign soldiers and civilians. No one pointed out that this institution would permit Americans to fund, without taxes, the destruction of cities abroad and overthrow governments at will. No one said that the central bank would make it possible for the U.S. to be at large-scale war in one of every four years for a full century. It was never pointed out that this institution would make it possible for the U.S. government to establish a global empire that would make Imperial Rome and Britain look benign by comparison.

You can line up 100 professional war historians and political scientists and talk about the twentieth century, and not one is likely to mention the role of the Fed in funding U.S. militarism. And yet it is true: the Fed is the institution that has created the money to fund the wars. In this role, it has solved a major problem that the state has confronted for all of human history. A state without money or a state that must tax its citizens to raise money for its wars is necessarily limited in its imperial ambitions. Keep in mind that this is only a problem for the state. It is not a problem for the people. The inability of the state to fund its unlimited ambitions is worth more for the people than every kind of legal check and balance. It is more valuable than all the constitutions ever devised.

The state has no wealth that is its own. It is not a profitable enterprise. Everything it possesses it must take from society in a zero-sum game. That usually means taxes, but taxes annoy people. They can destabilize the state and threaten its legitimacy. They inspire anger, revolt, and even revolution. Rather than risk that result, the state from the Middle Ages to the dawn of the central banking age was somewhat cautious in its global ambitions simply because it was cautious in its need to steal openly and directly from the people in order to pay its bills..

http://mises.org/daily/3010


I might think they want to make war at the height of power, than say if you knew in 20-30 years your country might be a shade of itself.

Something fun!:

http://www.zerohedge...not%20worry.jpg

This post has been edited by Nicodimas: 19 November 2012 - 08:02 AM

[MTS]

Aaand the most ridiculous quote of the day goes to:

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It was never pointed out that this institution would make it possible for the U.S. government to establish a global empire that would make Imperial Rome and Britain look benign by comparison.

[amphibian]

They're totally leaving out the Mongolian Empire right there.

Seriously, Nicodimas, pics or GTFO. You're a crank right now and until you actually back up your words with something tangible, I can't take you seriously at all.

[Morgoth]

Nic, have you read agenda 21? It's freely available on the UN webpage, and no more than 3 or so pages if my memory is cooperating.

Might be you'd be less willing to buy into the furthest reaches of conspiracy land if you did.

[D'iversify]

EmperorMagus, on 18 November 2012 - 11:58 AM, said:

HiddenOne, on 17 November 2012 - 01:12 PM, said:

So the imminent outbreak of WW3 in the Gaza/Israel situation doesn't alarm you? I was just about to stock my bomb shelter with Twinkies, too, but I left my Uzi at home and couldn't get the last case from the supermarket.

I keep waiting for something to be said along the lines of official statement from the Fed Govt, but I think it has only been "You go, girl!"

I bet Nico has some Twinkies in his bunker

Israel has to fight with someone every couple of years and I don't know whose fault it is.
But it happens a lot and I myself don't think anything will come out of it.(except a lot of dead bodies of course)

As to the regularity of Israeli wars, well, it has been pointed out that this is an election year, and nothing gets the right-wing nationalist base fired up like a good bombing campaign.

Must say that Likud and Hamas deserve each other, my sympathies go out to everyone else who gets fucked as a result.

[Cause]

D, on 19 November 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

As to the regularity of Israeli wars, well, it has been pointed out that this is an election year, and nothing gets the right-wing nationalist base fired up like a good bombing campaign.

Must say that Likud and Hamas deserve each other, my sympathies go out to everyone else who gets fucked as a result.

So Israel got Hammas to fire rockets into Jerusalem and Tel Aviv so they could bomb them back and win an election? Its irrefutable that this happens every few months, its got nothing to do with Israeli elections.

[worry]

If it happens every few months, then why would this extraordinarily outsized reaction by Israel not stand out as being election-oriented? If it's business as usual, wouldn't both action and reaction be normal sized?

[Cause]

worrywort, on 19 November 2012 - 09:13 PM, said:

If it happens every few months, then why would this extraordinarily outsized reaction by Israel not stand out as being election-oriented? If it's business as usual, wouldn't both action and reaction be normal sized?

It ebbs and flows all the time. This is not the first time a serious offensive has been considered or launched. Besides this is the first time in years, maybe ever (I cant be sure), that a rocket has hit Tel Aviv and the first time in 42 years they have fired one at Jerusalem. Don't you think that escalates things? Was it an election year last time? During the war with Lebanon? Israel assassinated a top Hammas official and Hammas is threatening 6 million Israelis with indiscriminate rocket fire (The fact that they are so bad at it does not mean it can be ignored). The situation that is happening now is unavoidable so long as things stay as they are.

If anything I would say the timing with Irans nuclear ambitions is more interesting. If Israel invades Gaza its good for Iran and bad for Israel as I see it.

Anyway we seem to heading off topic.

[worry]

Ah, I see. I kinda wish it was more off topic than it actually is, so I wouldn't have to hear the phrase "Israel is a true friend" for the rest of my life.

[Shinrei]

Nico's "sources" aside, isn't it true that wars like Iraq and Afghanistan were funded by borrowing rather than taxing? Could the US really have gone to war with Iraq if Bush and Congress had to not only convince the American people that there were WMD's but ALSO convince the American people to pay for it with a tax hike? If I'm missing something here, please enlighten me.

[Terez]

Not only were they funded by borrowing, they were largely funded by a special sort of borrowing that added to our debt without showing up in Bush's budgets.

[worry]

That is true, but it's also true that Alan Greenspan is an Ayn Rand acolyte, and subscribes to basically the opposite pole ideology from the (imaginary) NWO folks Nico and his folks fear, and neo-cons aren't that far off from Randians (except they support enough government to launder the money they funnel from us). Which goes more to show that both extremes are nuts -- and dangerous when in power -- than it does we're all actually doomed with a genuine moderate in power (Obama for instance).

This post has been edited by worrywort: 19 November 2012 - 11:24 PM

[Nicodimas]

http://edition.cnn.c...el-us-warships/

This should be telling for the next several days..

[Shinrei]

Terez, on 19 November 2012 - 11:16 PM, said:

Not only were they funded by borrowing, they were largely funded by a special sort of borrowing that added to our debt without showing up in Bush's budgets.

Exactly - and apparent lack of knowledge about this sort of thing by my republican friends gets them all confused when I don't vote republican - "But you believe in fiscal responsibility!" the cry incredulously.