[worry]

Luke Russert is a total incompetent. At least his father had the ability to engender good will, if nothing else.

[amphibian]

Terez, on 14 November 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

Something like half the states haven't even finalized their results yet. Also, I was wrong about the petitions apparently:

http://www.sunherald...ions-white.html

It's very hot on their Facebook post; lots of people saying they signed it and how they don't recognize America any more, and lots of other people saying they're being stupid and even treasonous.

http://www.facebook....471342509576007

PS—I outlined my county in a darker black:

I saw an image somewhere that showed how the sprinkle of blue going right to left from the Virginias to Alabama correspond extremely strongly with the Black Belt (historically black communities). It was a very stark image that brought home how issues of education and racism still are important down south.

worrywort, on 14 November 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

Luke Russert is a total incompetent. At least his father had the ability to engender good will, if nothing else.

Went to college with Luke. Had zero meaningful interactions with him, but really did like his father when he came to campus for a speech or just to sit in the audience for an event. Hopefully, Luke picks up a bit more tact - I think he was trying to get at the Dem leadership being generally older than ideal and flubbed the specifics of the questions.

[worry]

Well he was just not good throughout the campaign either IMO, this was just the latest flub. It's not the job for him, likable guy or not (and I don't find him particularly likable). Tim I did find quite likable, I just wasn't in love with his interviewing style. Not that I wake up early enough most Sundays to care about MTP, but whatever.

[Terez]

amphibian, on 14 November 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

I saw an image somewhere that showed how the sprinkle of blue going right to left from the Virginias to Alabama correspond extremely strongly with the Black Belt (historically black communities). It was a very stark image that brought home how issues of education and racism still are important down south.

It permeates even the non-blue counties. My high school (in a red county) is now majority black, and the population in MS gets closer to half and half every census. This map is really scary for Republicans, and it's from the 2000 census:



My county is purple. Notice the South is mostly black and generic "American".

edited to add readable key

This post has been edited by Terez: 14 November 2012 - 10:53 PM

[worry]

On a different note, both Ryan and Romney have declared they lost because Obama got people who want free stuff to vote for him:
http://www.latimes.c...0,5622330.story
Ryan went so far as to single out "urban" voters:
http://www.mediaite....-urban-turnout/

They weren't just bad candidates, they are bad people. I'm still riding high that they lost, personally. And that they seem truly, madly, deeply incapable of learning the lessons of their loss is just icing on the cake.

[worry]

And even better, same topic: http://thecaucus.blo...d-young-voters/

[Nicodimas]

The republican party won't be winning its next election unless there is some major shakes up agenda's, they choose poor areas for sure to support. I didn't like either side, so didn't even vote!

I am very disillusioned at this stage at this game. I think we will notice a very neo-con approach, vs the presidents "scary" shift to the left...I wonder if people will notice?

I suspect the next four years will be very interesting. We shall see I definitely do not think the 'can' can't be kicked to much longer. Most have blinders on to the max at this stage, its rough to see it and heartbreaking..

I did get to see UN Agenda 21 proposed here in my state. The real deal .Watch this.

[Obdigore]

Nicodimas, on 16 November 2012 - 06:58 AM, said:

The republican party won't be winning its next election unless there is some major shakes up agenda's, they choose poor areas for sure to support. I didn't like either side, so didn't even vote!

I am very disillusioned at this stage at this game. I think we will notice a very neo-con approach, vs the presidents "scary" shift to the left...I wonder if people will notice?

I suspect the next four years will be very interesting. We shall see I definitely do not think the 'can' can't be kicked to much longer. Most have blinders on to the max at this stage, its rough to see it and heartbreaking..

I did get to see UN Agenda 21 proposed here in my state. The real deal .Watch this.

Oh jesus. 'scary' shift to the center (which is left of) the center right Obama has been presiding over? OH FUCKING NO! You mean to say we might get some actual left policies to try and balance out the utterly imbecile far right ones? SAY IT ISN'T SO, NICODIMAS.

[worry]

D's showing some actual backbone at the Benghazi hearing: http://firstread.nbc...-dems-fire-back

[Morgoth]

Nicodimas, on 16 November 2012 - 06:58 AM, said:

The republican party won't be winning its next election unless there is some major shakes up agenda's, they choose poor areas for sure to support. I didn't like either side, so didn't even vote!

I am very disillusioned at this stage at this game. I think we will notice a very neo-con approach, vs the presidents "scary" shift to the left...I wonder if people will notice?

I suspect the next four years will be very interesting. We shall see I definitely do not think the 'can' can't be kicked to much longer. Most have blinders on to the max at this stage, its rough to see it and heartbreaking..

I did get to see UN Agenda 21 proposed here in my state. The real deal .Watch this.

Agenda 21? Nico, you're a little paranoid and that's fine but you've not shown signs of being barking mad previously. Will the illuminati confer with Xenu before they implement their UN controlled takeover you think?

[Nicodimas]

Hmm i don't know i went to the state senate thing here about the presentation and how it will work out...interesting for sure.

[Nicodimas]

I think the next four years will be verryyyy interesting:

When near half the country is out of work, or collecting entitlement in some forms..some flags should be getting drawn up.


http://www.sovereign...t-to-read-9397/

Time to reset the system? is this a fixable problem?..American seems broke to me.

What happens from here?..judging from history....

This post has been edited by Nicodimas: 17 November 2012 - 02:51 AM

[worry]

It's pretty cute when you have to include the unemployed and anybody, everybody "collecting" entitlements (as well as silently lumping everyone who for any reason qualifies for an income tax return that net zeroes their obligation, like retirees and active servicepeople and working people making less than a living wage), to reach that almost 50% number. What sends my flag up is people who think we have to immediately pay off the entire national debt, now or never, or else we're doomed -- as if that's ever how credit worked for anybody else. Panicking doesn't help pay debts...increasing revenue and cutting costs such that we're not incurring more debt is the only way it's gonna happen. But you do that year by year, gradually, not ripping out your hair and locking your family in the basement cuz it's not happening overnight.

[Shinrei]

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!


Recession Officially Over, U.S. Incomes Kept Falling

http://www.nytimes.c...lling.html?_r=0

Low-Wage Jobs Replace Middle-Income Work, Study Finds

http://www.huffingto..._n_1846733.html

Obama campaign got donations from Bain employees

http://www.bostonglo...ry.html?camp=pm


Income Inequality Worse Under Obama Than George W. Bush

http://www.huffingto..._n_1419008.html

[HoosierDaddy]

Shinrei, on 17 November 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!

... don't know about any of these, didn't read. This one immediately caught my eye.

Income Inequality Worse Under Obama Than George W. Bush

http://www.huffingto..._n_1419008.html

Guess what happens when the middle class and lower income people lose wealth? The RICH GET RICHER. That's been the case for a very long time. Look back at what happened during the Great Depression, and how the wealthiest people (who weren't playing the market for real wealth because they didn't need to) got even wealthier.

This is so disingenuous as to be fantastical. If you reduce everyone's income and thus the value of everything goes down, those with real earning power and flexible spending will buy everything they want at lesser costs.

[worry]

Shinrei, on 17 November 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

Recession Officially Over, U.S. Incomes Kept Falling

http://www.nytimes.c...lling.html?_r=0

Low-Wage Jobs Replace Middle-Income Work, Study Finds

http://www.huffingto..._n_1846733.html

I wonder why. Oh wait, no I don't: http://www.huffingto..._n_2145086.html

But I mean, when times are tough you gotta cut some costs, and times are real tough all over. Everyone's hurting. Oh wait, no they're not: http://www.rawstory....illion-in-2011/

[Shinrei]

So, what is Obama doing about this? Is he going to do something about this? I feel like you answered my post with more evidence of things being bad...oh wait, you did!

[worry]

Haha, how dare you use my own diction against me. What I posted was certainly bad news, but it's a sign of recognition of this information that >50% of voters rejected the guy who wanted to make things even worse. There's political capital and less risk for Obama to take stronger stands, as with any second term president. The situation with the House didn't make things ideal, but you can't have everything.

Anyway, yah, Obama's the head of the executive branch, not the legislative branch (and certainly not a dictator who can restructure mega-corporations or halt globalization). We don't need to rehash the fact that he staved off a depression in the face of the most stubborn, corrosive, (in some cases literally) crazy opposition to every single thing he proposed, from the House. Or the toxic way the filibuster has been abused in the Senate.

But so far, and pretty much certainly, Obama is standing firm on letting the Bush tax cuts for $250k and above to expire, a huge return to more sound policy. There's plenty of specific goals he mentioned in the debates (particularly the second one), like actually decreasing the defense budget by $1 trillion. I mean I'm not gonna recite all his campaign, but he delineated plenty of measures for achieving balance and beyond. Even if it's just the first steps in that direction, like I said before, I don't expect the problem to go away overnight. If it takes 50 years to pay off a multi-trillion dollar debt, and we can do it without austerity measures or cutting huge pointless holes in the social safety net, then I'm entirely fine with that. I don't actually think it will take that long at all, especially if the Tea Party is extinguished as a threat in 2014, but I see no reason to get hopeless -- especially Nico level hopeless -- for the foreseeable future. Also, Liz Warren is a US Senator, I can't think of any more hopeful a statement than that. Her first line of business, like Day 1 2013, is reforming the filibuster. I dunno, man, my outlook is rosy. Not pie in the sky optimism, but optimism nonetheless.

[HiddenOne]

So the imminent outbreak of WW3 in the Gaza/Israel situation doesn't alarm you? I was just about to stock my bomb shelter with Twinkies, too, but I left my Uzi at home and couldn't get the last case from the supermarket.

I keep waiting for something to be said along the lines of official statement from the Fed Govt, but I think it has only been "You go, girl!"

I bet Nico has some Twinkies in his bunker

[Cause]

HiddenOne, on 17 November 2012 - 01:12 PM, said:

So the imminent outbreak of WW3 in the Gaza/Israel situation doesn't alarm you? I was just about to stock my bomb shelter with Twinkies, too, but I left my Uzi at home and couldn't get the last case from the supermarket.

I keep waiting for something to be said along the lines of official statement from the Fed Govt, but I think it has only been "You go, girl!"

I bet Nico has some Twinkies in his bunker

If the previous five, six, seven Israel wars didn't cause WW3 I'm guessing were still safe. What amazes me is that fifty years have gone by and people still treat the issue with sound bites and little else.