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#12441 User is offline   Tsundoku 

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Posted 13 January 2021 - 02:21 AM

Rats and sinking ships come to mind.

The Republicans didn't all of a sudden just discover their spines or hearts (hint: they don't have any), they simply did a cost benefit analysis and Trump's usefulness has finally come to an end.
Now they are free to show their true opinions of the piece of shit they enabled for the last 5 years and milked while he was useful, up to the point of helping him create this situation.
Who knows, maybe the Turtle knew Trump's actions would come to this and therefore give himself a great big reason to cut him.
It's not as if the majority of Republican voters have the intelligence to realise Mitch was one of Trump's enablers all along and is as much to blame (even though the rest of the world has been telling them for the last 5 years, that's the filthy MSM after all ...). As long as Mitch doesn't interfere with their divine right to masturbate with their guns they'll still support him.

Joint Chiefs of Staff release memo to the troops about defending the Constitution.

https://www.cbsnews....y-constitution/

So they too realised they could say something now with no blowback as he no longer has the ability to hurt their careers.

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Posted 13 January 2021 - 03:02 AM

I can't find the exact quote at the moment, but I heard the Michigan attorney general being interviewed earlier, and it sounds like Michigan is a right clusterfuck. She basically said for people to stay away from the state capitol as it was unsafe. Following on from the plot to kidnap and rape/kill the Governor last year, they seem to be expecting significant trouble.

Madness.

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Posted 13 January 2021 - 03:38 AM

View PostBinder of Demons, on 13 January 2021 - 03:02 AM, said:

I can't find the exact quote at the moment, but I heard the Michigan attorney general being interviewed earlier, and it sounds like Michigan is a right clusterfuck. She basically said for people to stay away from the state capitol as it was unsafe. Following on from the plot to kidnap and rape/kill the Governor last year, they seem to be expecting significant trouble.

Madness.


They finally banned open carry of guns inside the (Michigan) Capitol building yesterday... but guns are still allowed inside.

https://apnews.com/a...56a395166a810ea

Trump decided to defuse the situation by giving a speech at the Alamo in Texas... but not the famous one: 'Trump and his sycophants view themselves as the last bastion of white America and have co-opted the Alamo imagery for their own purposes. But being Team Trump, they completely bungled their message by going to the wrong Alamo. Trump and company are headed to the city of Alamo, Texas. The actual Alamo Mission, however, is located in San Antonio, TX. Great work, everyone.'

https://www.themarys...mp-wrong-alamo/

Plausible deniability / dogwhistle bullhorn / excuse to whine about PC censorship or supposed leftist hypersensitivity more likely. By this point pretending it's an innocuous coincidence is farcical... or a test of loyalty.

The popular folk tale version of the Alamo claims the occupiers (US 'settlers') refused to surrender and fought until they were all killed, with the exception of one who fled before the battle. (Not actually true.) 'Remember the Alamo' then became a rallying cry for the seizure of Texas.

'And a hundred and eighty were challenged by Travis to die
By the line that he drew with his sword when the battle was nigh
Any man that would fight to the death crossed over
But him that would live, better fly
And over the line went a hundred and seventy nine

[...]

Grieve not little darling, my dying, if Texas is sovereign and free
We'll never surrender and ever with liberty be'



'"The Alamo became a hammer for bashing Mexican-Americans in Texas," [...] "It was portrayed as a race war" between Mexicans on one side and American settlers thirsting for freedom on the other. But "on that battlefield there were free blacks, slaves, Indians from central Mexico who spoke no Spanish, Tejanos [Mexicans who sided with the Americans], Europeans, including an Italian general . . . It was almost a laboratory in multiculturalism. It was not a race war."'

https://www.smithson...lamo-101880149/

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Posted 13 January 2021 - 06:52 AM

Part of what's infuriating about this now is that I am seeing articles from mainstream news (the NY Times for example), making Pence out to be some sort of good guy because he didn't try to overturn the election. No, Mike Pence is a piece of shit. His time as governor of Indiana made that abundantly clear. Can you imagine the emotional harm done to a woman forced to arrange funerary rites after having a miscarriage?
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Posted 13 January 2021 - 02:16 PM

On some level, people like Maggie Haberman and others at the NY Times have a weird thing invested in showing that the people they cover aren't cartoon caricatures of evil. It gets them more access, but at the cost of being able to wrap their heads around Mike Pence being a murderous bastard whose slow and evangelical flavored response to an HIV and Hepatitis C epidemic was actually evil.

Here's a Politico article explaining how his slow response really hurt lots of people: https://www.politico...ak-worse-118648

He did similar things for Covid-19 and still somehow gets that NY Times coverage.

Just because he didn't do Trump's bidding doesn't mean he's good now.
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Posted 13 January 2021 - 02:18 PM

Holy shit.


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Posted 13 January 2021 - 02:23 PM

One last note: Haberman and the two others writing the article got a quote from John Yoo, the guy who came up with the awful attempt at legal justification for torture during the beginning parts of the Iraq invasion.

His time after being in the GWB administration has shown that he's a well connected and shitty legal opinion guy. Somehow, the reporters writing this don't see that or present his opinions in that context.

My brain hurts a bit trying to understand why Haberman likes to suck up so much.
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Posted 13 January 2021 - 02:27 PM

Ayanna Pressley and her chief of staff were barricading themselves in their office only to find out that all of their panic buttons (each representative is supposed to have them in their office) had been ripped out: https://www.bostongl...tts-delegation/

"As people rushed out of other buildings on the Capitol grounds, staffers in Pressley’s office barricaded the entrance with furniture and water jugs that had piled up during the pandemic. Groh pulled out gas masks and looked for the special panic buttons in the office.

“Every panic button in my office had been torn out — the whole unit,” she said, though they could come up with no rationale as to why. She had used them before and hadn’t switched offices since then. As they were escorted to several different secure locations, Groh and Pressley and her husband tried to remain calm and vigilant — not only of rioters but of officers they did not know or trust, she said."
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Posted 13 January 2021 - 03:02 PM

Representative Mikie Sherrill says she saw certain other representatives taking people on guided tours the day before and believes that was preparation for the riot.

She did not name the ones she saw.

https://amp.northjer...impression=true
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Posted 13 January 2021 - 03:14 PM

View Postamphibian, on 13 January 2021 - 03:02 PM, said:

Representative Mikie Sherrill says she saw certain other representatives taking people on guided tours the day before and believes that was preparation for the riot.

She did not name the ones she saw.

https://amp.northjer...impression=true


This was 100% reconnaissance, and ties into the video from the tweet I posted above.

Every seditious bastard who helped this from the inside ought to be up on charges.
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Posted 13 January 2021 - 03:31 PM

At least one of them is Lauren Boebert:

https://twitter.com/...5973072902?s=19

She posted proudly a picture of her giving a tour to people on January 5 - three of the people in the picture have been charged as part of the riots.

She also tweeted Pelosi's location during the riot and has made a big stink about continuing to carry a gun into the Capitol.

If the House doesn't toss her for this, what are they even doing?
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Posted 13 January 2021 - 03:36 PM

View Postamphibian, on 13 January 2021 - 03:31 PM, said:

At least one of them is Lauren Boebert:

https://twitter.com/...5973072902?s=19

She posted proudly a picture of her giving a tour to people on January 5 - three of the people in the picture have been charged as part of the riots.

She also tweeted Pelosi's location during the riot and has made a big stink about continuing to carry a gun into the Capitol.

If the House doesn't toss her for this, what are they even doing?


'Multiple Republican members of Congress refused to walk through metal detectors installed Tuesday as a security measure[...] Boebert (R-CO) is said to have told Capitol Police she would not allow them to search her bag after it set off the scanners, and she later tweeted that the magnetometers were "another political stunt by Speaker Pelosi." The Colorado Republican has spoken openly about bringing a gun, a glock specifically, to the floor of the House.'

https://www.thedaily...lled-after-riot

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Posted 13 January 2021 - 04:04 PM

View Postamphibian, on 13 January 2021 - 03:31 PM, said:

At least one of them is Lauren Boebert:

https://twitter.com/...5973072902?s=19

She posted proudly a picture of her giving a tour to people on January 5 - three of the people in the picture have been charged as part of the riots.

She also tweeted Pelosi's location during the riot and has made a big stink about continuing to carry a gun into the Capitol.

If the House doesn't toss her for this, what are they even doing?

That tweet has been deleted. Maybe it was wrong?

Here's another one.



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https://www.pix11.co...m-jeffries-says

The President (2012) said:

Please proceed, Governor.

Chris Christie (2016) said:

There it is.

Elizabeth Warren (2020) said:

And no, I’m not talking about Donald Trump. I’m talking about Mayor Bloomberg.
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Posted 13 January 2021 - 04:58 PM

That's what jumped out to me when I saw the initial footage of the siege. It was more than just unprepared, insufficient police presence. It was apparent it was planned and there were inside players who helped coordinate it. More and more is going to come out about this and hopefully a lot of mother fuckers burn.

About Lauren Boebert. She is a product of the trend that Trump implemented where if you are a Republican who doesn't swear fealty to him, he will come into your state/district and primary you out for the QAnon nutjob. And she is right up there with the nuttiest of them. She owns a theme bar that is basically Hooters girls with guns. And she was pushing back hard, early on, when Colorado was in shelter at home orders at the beginning of the pandemic, and opened her bar in defiance. Personal distaste aside from me - she leans hard in curating the Sarah Palin look. Mama bear and lipstick on a snow machine full display.

Another reprehensible thing, some members of congress have contracted covid who were in lock down with Republicans who refused masks. Footage shows the QAnon asshole from Georgia (new member of congress) with a shitty smirk on her face when offered a mask.
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Posted 13 January 2021 - 05:34 PM

It's some kind of weird to be easily able to piece together at least one Representative who did the above mentioned thing.

I had this vision of this kind of thing happening secretly, but maybe these people think they're crossing the Rubicon and can do this stuff out in the open with little to no consequences. So far, they're not really wrong.
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Posted 13 January 2021 - 05:39 PM

I hear that the FBI has something like 139 cases open right now, and apparently the DC U.S. Attorney says he's using *public corruption* prosecutors—among others—to pursue "seditious conspiracy" charges being laid.

This seems to suggest public officials are being criminally investigated. Perhaps ones mentioned previously from AZ ect.

so not nothing, just slow moving? Although my faith is low...

And McConnell seems on board with turfing Trump now through impeachment? Which is totally self serving, he doesn't want Trump affecting 2024, so it's not like that's happening for the right reasons, but still.

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Posted 13 January 2021 - 05:47 PM

Can someone explain Jim Jordan to me and why he is?

Kitty Hawk > Chuck Yeager > Man on the Moon.


Lets come together and keep making America great or the cancel culture will cancel us all.

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Posted 13 January 2021 - 05:54 PM

View PostQuickTidal, on 13 January 2021 - 05:39 PM, said:

I hear that the FBI has something like 139 cases open right now

It's closer to 200 now.

View PostQuickTidal, on 13 January 2021 - 05:39 PM, said:

so not nothing, just slow moving?

It's not really all that slow moving, considering they're having to track people down using amateur video. They explained that it's going to expand "geometrically" from the arrests they've already made. And they might be holding off on certain arrests to prevent Trump from pardoning them before he is tossed out on his ass. Preferably in handcuffs. I hope Letitia James is ready, because I doubt the feds are. But I could be wrong.

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Posted 13 January 2021 - 06:00 PM

View PostMalankazooie, on 13 January 2021 - 05:47 PM, said:

Can someone explain Jim Jordan to me and why he is?

Kitty Hawk > Chuck Yeager > Man on the Moon.


Lets come together and keep making America great or the cancel culture will cancel us all.


He has a district that is gerrymandered (so much that it looks like an actual duck) in order to carve out a Republican stronghold.

He was the coach of the Ohio State college wrestling team during a time that is now known to have had a doctor sexually abuse the boys/young men on the team. The people abused say Jordan knew and did nothing to stop it at any point.

He's managed to connect well with the alt right wing of the GOP and despite being a raging jerk who probably covered up horrific abuse, keeps getting elected because he looks like a fighter to a good chunk of his base audience.

He's against cancel culture because he did some bad stuff long ago and sporadically does bad stuff now.

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Posted 13 January 2021 - 06:28 PM

View Postamphibian, on 13 January 2021 - 06:00 PM, said:

View PostMalankazooie, on 13 January 2021 - 05:47 PM, said:

Can someone explain Jim Jordan to me and why he is?

Kitty Hawk > Chuck Yeager > Man on the Moon.


Lets come together and keep making America great or the cancel culture will cancel us all.


He has a district that is gerrymandered (so much that it looks like an actual duck) in order to carve out a Republican stronghold.

He was the coach of the Ohio State college wrestling team during a time that is now known to have had a doctor sexually abuse the boys/young men on the team. The people abused say Jordan knew and did nothing to stop it at any point.

He's managed to connect well with the alt right wing of the GOP and despite being a raging jerk who probably covered up horrific abuse, keeps getting elected because he looks like a fighter to a good chunk of his base audience.

He's against cancel culture because he did some bad stuff long ago and sporadically does bad stuff now.


Just to tag onto this, he is the SMUGEST motherfucker in Congress. Every single time I've seen him open his mouth, he acts like only HE knows "the truth" and he's going to catch YOU out in some tangled lie for a gotcha moment with his reading glasses perched at the end of his smug nose. He's confident as fuck in how wrong he is...it's the most infuriating thing to watch him hold up and parrot lies. The only person who gets even close to him for being an insufferable prick about how wrong he is so often would be Matt Gaetz.
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