[Path-Shaper]

I am out for a few hours. If a lynch happens, I should be able to resolve about 3-4 hours from now.

Edited to add - Get those Provs in, so night has a chance to go more quickly. Cheers.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 26 January 2012 - 07:27 AM

[Karatallid]

Vote Silanah

I am on my way to work so don't have time to catch up, this was were my vote was going today anyway. PS if you're still around AND there is a double voter then this could be the lynch. I thought i'd do it before you disappear

[Sorrit]

Vote Silanah

Lets see if the hunt is correct.

I'd love to here more thoughts about Atrahal as people get on.

[Galayn Lord]

If need be, I can hammer. I am around. However, 6 hours left.

edit: cross-post with triggerhappy Sorrit

This post has been edited by Galayn Lord: 26 January 2012 - 08:58 AM

[Galayn Lord]

Sorrit, on 26 January 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

Vote Silanah

Lets see if the hunt is correct.

I'd love to here more thoughts about Atrahal as people get on.

I really don't care what you love, personally. What you are asking of people is putting their thoughts on thread without doing any of the work or carrying much of the risk. That rubs me the wrong way.

Anyhow: middle of the pack is what describes him. He might be a leader. He might not be. Basically, the only thing against him is he is perhaps too average. Now what are your thoughts on Atrahal?

[Sheltatha Lore]

His thoughts about Atrahal is that people don't post enough thoughts about Atrahal*
*this amusing comment is brought to you by the Lufthansa lounge WiFi.

[Galayn Lord]

Galayn Lord, on 26 January 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

Sorrit, on 26 January 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

Vote Silanah

Lets see if the hunt is correct.

I'd love to here more thoughts about Atrahal as people get on.

I really don't care what you love, personally. What you are asking of people is putting their thoughts on thread without doing any of the work or carrying much of the risk. That rubs me the wrong way.

Anyhow: middle of the pack is what describes him. He might be a leader. He might not be. Basically, the only thing against him is he is perhaps too average. Now what are your thoughts on Atrahal?

well, to correct myself, you made a case of sorts.


And that presents a different dilemma. You essentially set up Atrahal before you hammer Silanah. Then you steer night discussion towards Atrahal, meaning he will be in a position where there is much, much talk on him right up until day start. You also fail to comment on anyone but Atrahal, where Shadow published a bigger list with potential Uesugi targets, and there is also mention by a few that Liosan is a potential power role who is nervous of being pulled to the fore.

My own paranoid thought: you are protecting Liosan.
To me, it sounds like distraction.



edit: to enter the underscored.

This post has been edited by Galayn Lord: 26 January 2012 - 09:05 AM

[Sheltatha Lore]

Well, it seems that we did miss PS before he had to go. That means no lynch result until i arrive home. Cheers.

[Sorrit]

Galayn Lord, on 26 January 2012 - 09:04 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 26 January 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

Sorrit, on 26 January 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

Vote Silanah

Lets see if the hunt is correct.

I'd love to here more thoughts about Atrahal as people get on.

I really don't care what you love, personally. What you are asking of people is putting their thoughts on thread without doing any of the work or carrying much of the risk. That rubs me the wrong way.

Anyhow: middle of the pack is what describes him. He might be a leader. He might not be. Basically, the only thing against him is he is perhaps too average. Now what are your thoughts on Atrahal?

well, to correct myself, you made a case of sorts.


And that presents a different dilemma. You essentially set up Atrahal before you hammer Silanah. Then you steer night discussion towards Atrahal, meaning he will be in a position where there is much, much talk on him right up until day start. You also fail to comment on anyone but Atrahal, where Shadow published a bigger list with potential Uesugi targets, and there is also mention by a few that Liosan is a potential power role who is nervous of being pulled to the fore.

My own paranoid thought: you are protecting Liosan.
To me, it sounds like distraction.



edit: to enter the underscored.

Oh please. Everyone on thread knows that Silanah is done today. If I didn't vote for him you would claim I am whatever faction he is and proceed to try to train me that way. I would like to discuss what I posted about Atrahal. Why are you avoiding that? Know something the rest of us dont?

[Galayn Lord]

Sorrit, on 26 January 2012 - 09:21 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 26 January 2012 - 09:04 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 26 January 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

Sorrit, on 26 January 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

Vote Silanah

Lets see if the hunt is correct.

I'd love to here more thoughts about Atrahal as people get on.

I really don't care what you love, personally. What you are asking of people is putting their thoughts on thread without doing any of the work or carrying much of the risk. That rubs me the wrong way.

Anyhow: middle of the pack is what describes him. He might be a leader. He might not be. Basically, the only thing against him is he is perhaps too average. Now what are your thoughts on Atrahal?

well, to correct myself, you made a case of sorts.


And that presents a different dilemma. You essentially set up Atrahal before you hammer Silanah. Then you steer night discussion towards Atrahal, meaning he will be in a position where there is much, much talk on him right up until day start. You also fail to comment on anyone but Atrahal, where Shadow published a bigger list with potential Uesugi targets, and there is also mention by a few that Liosan is a potential power role who is nervous of being pulled to the fore.

My own paranoid thought: you are protecting Liosan.
To me, it sounds like distraction.



edit: to enter the underscored.

Oh please. Everyone on thread knows that Silanah is done today. If I didn't vote for him you would claim I am whatever faction he is and proceed to try to train me that way. I would like to discuss what I posted about Atrahal. Why are you avoiding that? Know something the rest of us dont?

And you are avoiding discussion on a whole slew of other people, so what is your point exactly? Are you going to give me your thoughts on Liosan, then?


I at the least gave my thoughts on Atrahal, which are not entirely neutral but I can find no reason to single him out, really. I think he can be on a number of sides.
Given the fact I alted them, anything I'd say would also be tainted by meta, which makes me hesitant to put much on thread as a few comparisons to their play in earlier games have gone through my head.
Meta is a good thing if it supports you in analysis of a player's behavior. It is a bad thing if it leads to condemning someone on that basis, and other than meta, I have little of a read on them.

[Okaros]

Sorry for my absence yesterday. Will read through the thread now.

[Sorrit]

Like who? Liosan? He tweaked out after the lynch but I highly doubt if he knew that GH was his boss he would have flown off the handle like that afterwords. He thought he was onto something else. I also doubt he would be third on the Sil train if he thought Sil was on his team?

I also noticed Tulas Shorn protecting you from Liosan, not that you have needed it.

I see lots of people trying to hide in the middle of the pack, and I want to call them out but I dont want to hit my own faction. I dont think Atrahal is in my faction so I mentioned him. And I hate not being able to alt anyone. It is no fun.

[Galayn Lord]

Sorrit, on 26 January 2012 - 10:06 AM, said:

Like who? Liosan?

That's the fellow I asked you after. You know, pretty orange avatar, switched votes today, seems a tad bit nervous... I'm sure you;ll recognize him when you see him.

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He tweaked out after the lynch but I highly doubt if he knew that GH was his boss he would have flown off the handle like that afterwords. He thought he was onto something else. I also doubt he would be third on the Sil train if he thought Sil was on his team?

So you don't think he was unusually cavalier in voting for people and switching votes between people? You don't think that is because he has perhaps knowledge of who is on his side, and/or doesn't particularly care as long as he survives, usually the hallmark of a middle to high powered role?
You don't think there's anything to my suspicion (and that of Fener, for example) in thinking he outed having knowledge in response to my theory?

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I also noticed Tulas Shorn protecting you from Liosan, not that you have needed it.

I personally doubt people know I'm on their faction. And yeah, regardless of what game I am in, I am generally capable of defense as long as there is time left in the day to respond.

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I see lots of people trying to hide in the middle of the pack, and I want to call them out but I dont want to hit my own faction. I dont think Atrahal is in my faction so I mentioned him. And I hate not being able to alt anyone. It is no fun.

I'm usually content to let them rest, for precisely the reason you mention. At some point, they'll out themselves.

[Okaros]

Tulas Shorn, on 26 January 2012 - 02:26 AM, said:

Shadow, on 26 January 2012 - 02:18 AM, said:

Well, to reiterate a post 1 or 2 away from the one you quoted..

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3. Tulas Shorn definitely did a lot to defend Eloth, while at the same time insisting that he wasn't defending Eloth. Along with that, he wasn't on the train.

Tulas Shorn, on 24 January 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

The whole Eloth - Merrid connection seems to me to be role playing gone awol. But even then not really. I have noticed over the last several months that people just don't know how to react to role playing in a game. The usual reaction is to lynch the player. Which while moving the game forward, kind of ruins a big part of what mafia should be. The paranoia which people seem to view RPing which is only as a way for scum to code or to communicate seems to be way over board. Because lets face it. GH who has been scum for the past 3 games has not bothered to code or to try to signal at all. True those have been M/p games, however the function of coding or signaling should be more powerful in those games in then in a merc game. But perhaps I am missing something.

Now I am not saying nor trying to defend either Eloth - Merrid I am just saying that people have begun to try to treat day 1 like it is in the same paranoia level as d-day when day 1 is not even in the hemisphere.

I apologize if this post seems a little like how to play mafia. But it is starting to get tiring to keep reading people asking if someone has to post like that due to a role or some other bullshit. Yes people there are roles like that but come on. Either they are announced at the beginning of the game (benses) or you are playing in a high TMDI (7+) where the moderator is trying out different ideas. If you are playing in a tradition merc game that is the next in a sequence then it is probably ok to assume that this game is moderately harder then the previous game in the cycle. Thus if this was shin's game 5 you could assume that there would be more unusual roles. But since this is only game 2, and shin said that it would only be a marginally higher tmdi then the first one. Which since this is a faction game I took to be that we would be playing in a faction game rather then a straight up town/scum game. So could we dispense with the thoughts that if someone is posting weird then that they are doing that because of a role and assume that they are doing that for their own amusement. Feel free to ignore them if you find that posting irritating.

So, my reasons for suspecting you have nothing to do with RPing. I think you can get that out of the way, I atleast don't care.

My reasons are that you made a few post defending RPing, which also defended Eloth, while you insisted you weren't defending Eloth. Also, you weren't on the train.

If you think that I was defending Eloth then by that light I could have been defending Merrid. They both spoke Korean. When I actually wasn't defending either one. I wasn't on the train because I didn't realize how little time was left and had to go home. If I had known I would have laid down a vote. But you can say that is easy to say and hard to prove. Which is true. But that is what happened. As it turned out my vote wasn't needed nor was several who thought that they had voted on the train.

Since when is getting on a train any indication (on day one only) of what team a person is on. By that definition

Fener, Kessobahn, Korlat,, Silanah Osseric, Tiamatha, Atrahal, Sorrit, Olar Ethil

all of these other players should be assumed to be a member of Uesugi.

Here's the thing. Saying that you're not defending Eloth is irrelevant, no matter how many times you repeat it. What matters is that your posts did defend Eloth and then you turned and voted for Atrahal, who was by no means a likely lynch candidate at the time.

I think it's sort of funny that you use the argument that you said you didn't defend Eloth, as if that had any value.

[Okaros]

Liosan does seem a little too disinterested in which faction his votes lands in. Might be, as mentioned, that he's new, but I've never been a big fan of letting new players off the hook simply for being new. It's better to learn to swim by being thrown into the water and all that.

Atrahal seems to have withdrawn some since yesterday, but then I'm hardly the one to talk.

Tulas Shorn seems to be the most interesting player at this time though. From the general mood of him being an excellent lynch in our time honoured Culture-hunt, we're now seeing a day with not a single vote on his shiny ass. His arguments have been rather poor, and is clearly -in my opinion- tied to Eloth with stronger bonds than either Silanah or Liosan. Yet somehow he's been let go as if his explanation was in any way satisfactory.

[Okaros]

how far are we from time out, and how many votes do we lack?

[Sorrit]

Okaros, on 26 January 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:

how far are we from time out, and how many votes do we lack?

Getting close to time but I believe I hammered assuming there wasn't any more extra-voting shennanigans.

PS said he was going to bed a couple hours go.

@GL -> He is playing it much more differently than I would. Perhaps he is stuck in 'inno' mode and throwing shit to see what sticks? I don't know, but what are you trying to claim? That hes dumb? New? Scum? or are you going back to that 'recruit' thing someone was talking about yesterday?

[Galayn Lord]

Okaros, on 26 January 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:

how far are we from time out, and how many votes do we lack?

To my knowledge, 10 votes. the 8 PS names,

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8 Votes Silanah: Atrahal, Korvalain, Liosan, Kessobahn, Omtose, Tulas Shorn, Olar Ethil, Sheltatha Lore,

plus Karatallid, plus Sorrit.

If those 10 are not enough for whatever the reason, then I've already said I'd be willing to remove from Liosan - I'm going to vote him day 3 again, anyway.

[Korlat]

We're done, Sorrit's a bit triggerhappy.

[Sorrit]

Instead of editing im going to add a new post -> Okaros if you want to make sure you could always vote.

Edit -> And holy crosspost batman.

This post has been edited by Sorrit: 26 January 2012 - 10:48 AM