[Thyrllan]

Serc, on 12 September 2011 - 08:01 PM, said:

Tennes, on 12 September 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 12 September 2011 - 07:40 PM, said:

Tennes, on 12 September 2011 - 07:18 PM, said:

Like you say, I am on a train, and if nothing changes and I die I'll get my alignment anyhow.

If people want to vote for weak, near random reasons, they can suit themselves. How you think that's going to give you a better chance of hitting who you want to I don't know but whatever.

The only people who have a problem with hitting at random are roled players, because they can hit a teammate.
Townies, who where on the lynch last day have tendency who they want to hit, but it is still pretty open for them.
And for the townies who where not on the train it doesn't matter at all, the only thing is that they want ot hit roled players to get winning conditions.

So that's a lot of people for whom it doesn't really or only slightly matter who they hit.

But you seem to care, so maybe you are roled?

This is exactly the fucking idiotic idea I've been arguing against.

Town should care who they lynch. Those of us on the train want to maintain our advantage. Those off the train want to gain the same faction as those on the previous train, because they have a significantly better chance of victory that way.

There is the potential for a lot of death at night, and the more lynches we miss the more chance that people won't get aligned.

But since apparently "fuck you, got mine" is the correct way to play.

Vote Tennes

Let's lynch me.

I'm town, and when I die I'll get my alignment. I'm not going to vote on a crap train because I don't want to balance out my alignment by hitting the wrong team. People seem determined to vote randomly anyway, in which case it's going to come down to luck anyhow, and I'd rather trust lucky NAs to keep the outfit at an advantage than randomly lynch one of them so me being lynched is a nice day where you don't hit them for me.

If the town is going to insist on playing shoddily and lynch randomly it's down to luck anyhow.

As well as which, hitting me nicely reduces the chances of a bunch of you managing get aligned.

Voting for yourself does nothing. It doesn't prove any point beyond the fact that you enjoy being dramatic.

I get the sense that you're bluffing. But not enough to cast a vote.

Maybe I understood the OP wrong but don't you need at least two lynches of the same fraction to get aligned, so if you are town you would die without winning conditions and thus not able to win, except of course you are already aligned.

And you seem determind that a win by the outfit would be the best thing, but I think it is all still open.

Also voting for yourself to limit the chances for others to get winning contions, seems childish to me, really. And I'm not sure that you are RI.

[Tennes]

Path-Shaper, on 07 September 2011 - 03:11 PM, said:

In order for you to be on a side you must be on a train. If you are not on 2 or 3 successful trains all game. Then depending on who you voted for during the game will decide what your winning conditions are.

It is locked in after two, but if you are on fewer than that and die you still get conditions.

[Telas]

Serc, on 12 September 2011 - 08:08 PM, said:

Tennes, on 12 September 2011 - 08:05 PM, said:

Serc, on 12 September 2011 - 08:01 PM, said:

Tennes, on 12 September 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 12 September 2011 - 07:40 PM, said:

Tennes, on 12 September 2011 - 07:18 PM, said:

Like you say, I am on a train, and if nothing changes and I die I'll get my alignment anyhow.

If people want to vote for weak, near random reasons, they can suit themselves. How you think that's going to give you a better chance of hitting who you want to I don't know but whatever.

The only people who have a problem with hitting at random are roled players, because they can hit a teammate.
Townies, who where on the lynch last day have tendency who they want to hit, but it is still pretty open for them.
And for the townies who where not on the train it doesn't matter at all, the only thing is that they want ot hit roled players to get winning conditions.

So that's a lot of people for whom it doesn't really or only slightly matter who they hit.

But you seem to care, so maybe you are roled?

This is exactly the fucking idiotic idea I've been arguing against.

Town should care who they lynch. Those of us on the train want to maintain our advantage. Those off the train want to gain the same faction as those on the previous train, because they have a significantly better chance of victory that way.

There is the potential for a lot of death at night, and the more lynches we miss the more chance that people won't get aligned.

But since apparently "fuck you, got mine" is the correct way to play.

Vote Tennes

Let's lynch me.

I'm town, and when I die I'll get my alignment. I'm not going to vote on a crap train because I don't want to balance out my alignment by hitting the wrong team. People seem determined to vote randomly anyway, in which case it's going to come down to luck anyhow, and I'd rather trust lucky NAs to keep the outfit at an advantage than randomly lynch one of them so me being lynched is a nice day where you don't hit them for me.

If the town is going to insist on playing shoddily and lynch randomly it's down to luck anyhow.

As well as which, hitting me nicely reduces the chances of a bunch of you managing get aligned.

Voting for yourself does nothing. It doesn't prove any point beyond the fact that you enjoy being dramatic.

I get the sense that you're bluffing. But not enough to cast a vote.

Voting for myself makes me the largest train.

You're not going to cast a vote?

But why not? After all, it's just been explained that we shouldn't care about hitting at random. You seem to care about who you vote, maybe you're roled.

I'm not saying I disagree with a lot of what you're saying. That doesn't mean you need to throw a fit. It's probably safe to assume that there are plenty of people like me that agree with your points, if not your approach. Reel it in, buddy.

I agree to a point, day 1 almost always has flimsy votes but on day 2 with more information more thought should be put into cases and trying to find links. However if you are town your just being as unhelpful as wanting to vote just to be on a train and you can see that side as well, it is day 2 but the weekend and night went on for a long time, people want to be on a train maybe more thought should go into it and maybe more will as the thread develops but if we are so unbelievably cautious that we son't vote unless almost certain then people are going to be left behind with no alignment.

Voting for yourself does not actually remove all chances of you being roled, I agree with Serc here, yes you could just be a townie throwing a hissy fit so it is better at this point when there is still quite a bit of day left to observe your responses rather than throwing a vote your way but all in all, a bit too far eh?

[Tennes]

In regards to the rest of your post, outfit currently has the advantage. An outfit lynch draws level, whereas an FBI one would gain a very strong position for the outfit. Why would town want to level it out when another FBI lynch would mean most people would have voted against the FBI at least once(all that is necessary as long as it isn't balanced out) and give them a big enough advantage to quite probably put most people on the winning team.

I also pointed out other bonuses of voting myself, but town are currently limiting its own (and with it, my) chances by acting entirely in their own individual interests rather than the collective interest of the town, and so I don't have a problem with returning the favour.

[Kalse]

Tellan, on 12 September 2011 - 05:30 PM, said:

Anthras, on 09 September 2011 - 05:14 PM, said:

Hahaha, sometimes the simplest cases are true

Kalse, on 12 September 2011 - 05:19 PM, said:

JA's dead already? :lmao:

Also thought the similarity of the quotes was kind of interesting, but not putting much stock in this observation.... yet.

i'm sorry, are you suggesting I jumped into JA's alt?

[Kessobahn]

So I've been doing a re-read but I'm not getting much of a read off of anyone. So many people are trying to come off as town that I can't separtate the ones that are lying from the ones that are legit. So I've been thinking how else can I possibly track down someone to be a lynch target? Let's look at the lynch train. With the mechanic in place for town to have to vote out either FBI or Outfit to have a shot at winning. Barring successful lynches, voting history would be looked at to help determine what is town's winning conditon. It would be very stuipid to not vote for anyone at all before the end of the day period. Town would know this much more so that either of the other groups of players So knowing this the people not voting are much more likely to be either FBI or Outfit.

Who are these people that were foolish enough not to vote at all? Well they are Atrahal, Sorrit, Thyrllan or myself. I was in this unfortunate position becasuse I was on early in Day 1 and thoguht I would be back on with hours to go before Day timed out. Alas this was not the case. Sorrit is dead by lynch. With him not voting and yet he CF'd as FBI further puts weight on the fact that those not voting at all should be highly suspect. That leaves us with Atrahal and Thyrllan.

Now going back and looking at both of their posts they have since voted for someone on day two. Atrahal has done nothing but post fluff. Thyrllan has barely posted anything until he started a train on Tennes today. Of the two I beileve that Thyrllan has done more lurking thus he is likely to be a killer so I am leaning towards

Vote Thyrllan

Here is the voting infomation from the day 1 lynch.

1 Vote for Kessobahn ( Ampelas )
11 Votes for Sorrit ( Shadow, Serc, Korabas, Tennes, Korlat, Tulas Shorn, Telas, Tellan, Tiamatha, Silanah, Anthras )
2 Votes for Korbas ( Karosis, Anomandaris )
1 Vote for Anomandaris ( Korbas )
1 Vote for Tennes ( Kalse )
1 Vote for Silanah ( Alkend )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Kessobahn, Sorrit, Thyrllan

[Kalse]

Tennes, on 12 September 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 12 September 2011 - 07:40 PM, said:

Tennes, on 12 September 2011 - 07:18 PM, said:

Like you say, I am on a train, and if nothing changes and I die I'll get my alignment anyhow.

If people want to vote for weak, near random reasons, they can suit themselves. How you think that's going to give you a better chance of hitting who you want to I don't know but whatever.

The only people who have a problem with hitting at random are roled players, because they can hit a teammate.
Townies, who where on the lynch last day have tendency who they want to hit, but it is still pretty open for them.
And for the townies who where not on the train it doesn't matter at all, the only thing is that they want ot hit roled players to get winning conditions.

So that's a lot of people for whom it doesn't really or only slightly matter who they hit.

But you seem to care, so maybe you are roled?

This is exactly the fucking idiotic idea I've been arguing against.

Town should care who they lynch. Those of us on the train want to maintain our advantage. Those off the train want to gain the same faction as those on the previous train, because they have a significantly better chance of victory that way.

There is the potential for a lot of death at night, and the more lynches we miss the more chance that people won't get aligned.

But since apparently "fuck you, got mine" is the correct way to play.

Vote Tennes

Let's lynch me.

I'm town, and when I die I'll get my alignment. I'm not going to vote on a crap train because I don't want to balance out my alignment by hitting the wrong team. People seem determined to vote randomly anyway, in which case it's going to come down to luck anyhow, and I'd rather trust lucky NAs to keep the outfit at an advantage than randomly lynch one of them so me being lynched is a nice day where you don't hit them for me.

If the town is going to insist on playing shoddily and lynch randomly it's down to luck anyhow.

As well as which, hitting me nicely reduces the chances of a bunch of you managing get aligned.

really?


I mean, SERIOUSLY?

wow

[Tellan]

I leave for what, 5-6 hours, after presenting quite a few thoughts on game mechanics and potential scenarios and all I come back to is a self vote and a flattering, but still, copy cat rendition of my cases concerning the no vote people of Day 1? Really? Ok, I will have some more thoughts in a sec, but am I making my comments to long, too dense, too many big words?

[Silanah]

Here catching up, a few thoughts on post before commenting on current observations.

[Tellan]

First of all, Tennes. How smugly childish can you be! Self vote. WTF. Look, town has no alignment until we lynch from the same team twice. And even then, we each have to be on the relevant trains. So die tonight and you LOSE (which would be fitting for your temper-tantrum). See below for those with poor memories (or eyesight).

Path-Shaper, on 07 September 2011 - 03:11 PM, said:

Town



You are a member of the Town. The Outfit and the FBI are evenly matched so the ultimate decision on who is to run Chicago comes down to you. The first 2 of either side that you vote to lynch will determine your winning conditions. An example: If you vote and a FBI agent is lynched. Then you vote and a Outfit member is lynched. Then you vote and FBI agent is lynched. Then the winning conditions are with the Outfit. Vice versa if you vote off two outfit members. Then the winning conditions are for the FBI. In order for you to be on a side you must be on a train. If you are not on 2 or 3 successful trains all game. Then depending on who you voted for during the game will decide what your winning conditions are.


Reveals are not encouraged, however fake reveal are…

[Tennes]

Tellan, on 12 September 2011 - 09:10 PM, said:

I leave for what, 5-6 hours, after presenting quite a few thoughts on game mechanics and potential scenarios and all I come back to is a self vote and a flattering, but still, copy cat rendition of my cases concerning the no vote people of Day 1? Really? Ok, I will have some more thoughts in a sec, but am I making my comments to long, too dense, too many big words?

If you didn't pad them out with stating the obvious about mechanics that'd be nice too.

Fun fact, there are six people who have 2 or fewer posts more than sorrit.

[Tellan]

As to the comparison of the smiley quotes, I actually hadn't thought yet of the FM idea when quoting those two. I was mainly pointing out blatant celebrations of successful kills of the roled players that were almost so townie they were sickening (and the first quote was actually the roled JA).

But now that you mention it, I find the thought even more intriguing... I mean, JA is dead, but the quotes of whoever was Anthras and who is now Kalse are very similar. Plus, as I said earlier, Kalse has got my attention with some suspicious activities before hand (coincidentally, on describing the FM mechanics for the game incorrectly).

That is actually a very intriguing direction. Kalse could be untouched by the FM, in which case I still would be suspicious of him for his own words on Day 1. However, if the subtle similarity between Kalse and Anthras' quotes is actually because of a jump, then lynching Kalse would still suit my goal to lynch roled players.

Vote Kalse

[Tennes]

On one hand, you complain about the lack of activity Tellan, on the other you moan at me for being similarly irritating and actually prompting debate.

"In order for you to be on a side you must be on a train. If you are not on 2 or 3 successful trains all game. Then depending on who you voted for during the game will decide what your winning conditions are."

A train, not two. Two lynches on one faction aligns you with them for the remainder of the game, but if you manage less your alignment depends on who you voted.

[Tellan]

Tennes, on 12 September 2011 - 09:18 PM, said:

Tellan, on 12 September 2011 - 09:10 PM, said:

I leave for what, 5-6 hours, after presenting quite a few thoughts on game mechanics and potential scenarios and all I come back to is a self vote and a flattering, but still, copy cat rendition of my cases concerning the no vote people of Day 1? Really? Ok, I will have some more thoughts in a sec, but am I making my comments to long, too dense, too many big words?

If you didn't pad them out with stating the obvious about mechanics that'd be nice too.

Fun fact, there are six people who have 2 or fewer posts more than sorrit.

Fun fact, there are some people who spend more time arguing for the same point with a lot of posts without actually saying that much about their own suspicions and thoughts.

[Tennes]

And after complaining of lack of discussion you vote over smileys?

[Tellan]

Are you just enjoying another flame war because you don't have to say anything useful, nor present any suspicions (as I have done, hell I've even voted for someone other than myself :GASP: )

[Silanah]

Korabas, on 12 September 2011 - 02:35 PM, said:

Ok, so I know this has flaws so don't immediately go biting my head off, but: I've made a list of those who didn't post in between the time that PS declared night before the weekend and the time PS declared there was still 3 hours left and some night actions had still not been received. Those people are:

Alkend
Thyrllan
Telas
Serc

I can't remember a single thing from most of them (apart from how much I hate the Thyrllan alt from the last game), aside from Telas, who came in for a bit of heat over his 'gun' comment on day 1.

Edit: Originally included Ampelas on the list, but duh, Ampelas is dead. And it may have been his action we were waiting on too.

this is one of many posts that has got my attention, correct me if it sounds foolish but this post looks to have been planned in advance, maybe i'm clutching at straws on this one but to highlight the players that did not post during the weekend to try and guess who the roled player is, is well, pointless. a player could use the tactic to not provide provisionals and wait through night without posting or sending i an action to look less suspect. he also points us all back to the "argument" about telas from day one but without adding anything to the discussion. for some reason i find the whole post odd, i have read it three times and it keeps making me feel uncomfortable. can anyone else see what i mean?

Serc, on 12 September 2011 - 03:00 PM, said:

Korabas, on 12 September 2011 - 02:35 PM, said:

Ok, so I know this has flaws so don't immediately go biting my head off, but: I've made a list of those who didn't post in between the time that PS declared night before the weekend and the time PS declared there was still 3 hours left and some night actions had still not been received. Those people are:

Alkend
Thyrllan
Telas
Serc

I can't remember a single thing from most of them (apart from how much I hate the Thyrllan alt from the last game), aside from Telas, who came in for a bit of heat over his 'gun' comment on day 1.

Edit: Originally included Ampelas on the list, but duh, Ampelas is dead. And it may have been his action we were waiting on too.

I was asleep...

Anyway, I think the NKs couldn't have gone better. No town deaths. I don't have much of a read on Telas or Thyrllan, I'm going to re-read the thread in a minute.

Alkend, on 08 September 2011 - 06:51 PM, said:

Bam!! Another dragon. Let the wild rumpus start!

Cool setup with a lot of players. This should be a ton-o-fun.

This is all I have on Alkend. The "bam" thing seems strange, but I'm stretching.

Personally, I'm just glad day/night 1 ended that well. Only would have been better if the Outfit NK was an FBI.

this "quick" reply from serc strikes me as someone that has been around, looked at the thread but desided it would be better not to post anything until someone mentions his name. without looking too defensive he just subtely shifts attention away from himself towards alkend and states the obvious about night. since then he has made a couple of okay posts but would have done so if his name wasn't mentioned?

[Kalse]

Tellan, on 12 September 2011 - 09:24 PM, said:

As to the comparison of the smiley quotes, I actually hadn't thought yet of the FM idea when quoting those two. I was mainly pointing out blatant celebrations of successful kills of the roled players that were almost so townie they were sickening (and the first quote was actually the roled JA).

But now that you mention it, I find the thought even more intriguing... I mean, JA is dead, but the quotes of whoever was Anthras and who is now Kalse are very similar. Plus, as I said earlier, Kalse has got my attention with some suspicious activities before hand (coincidentally, on describing the FM mechanics for the game incorrectly).

That is actually a very intriguing direction. Kalse could be untouched by the FM, in which case I still would be suspicious of him for his own words on Day 1. However, if the subtle similarity between Kalse and Anthras' quotes is actually because of a jump, then lynching Kalse would still suit my goal to lynch roled players.

Vote Kalse

right, except for the fact that JA used his favourite smiley, whilst, i wasn't sure which smiley to use (hence the failed smiley preceding the one)


I mean, if this is the best you can come up with....

[Tennes]

Tellan, on 12 September 2011 - 09:25 PM, said:

Tennes, on 12 September 2011 - 09:18 PM, said:

Tellan, on 12 September 2011 - 09:10 PM, said:

I leave for what, 5-6 hours, after presenting quite a few thoughts on game mechanics and potential scenarios and all I come back to is a self vote and a flattering, but still, copy cat rendition of my cases concerning the no vote people of Day 1? Really? Ok, I will have some more thoughts in a sec, but am I making my comments to long, too dense, too many big words?

If you didn't pad them out with stating the obvious about mechanics that'd be nice too.

Fun fact, there are six people who have 2 or fewer posts more than sorrit.

Fun fact, there are some people who spend more time arguing for the same point with a lot of posts without actually saying that much about their own suspicions and thoughts.

You say I'm arguing the same point, and not naming my suspicions, but there's a reason for that. The point I argue is that we're letting people away with contributing nothing, and if no one has posted anything of substance it's pretty hard to find any individual more suspicious than another. Town is shooting itself in the foot by laying low and thus letting the roled players do exactly the same, giving them a place to hide among a lot of people playing similarly.

You'll note I do actually put my thoughts on thread as well, for example speculating about Anthras' relations with others, but even that is pretty hard because no one was posting very much so there is much interaction to look at.

Am I making myself unreadable by putting up so little?

[Silanah]

telas, tellan and tennes. korabas and korbas i think my head will explode in a minute, i keep mixing them up. i thought i had something on tennes? earlier on regarding the removal of the vote and catching him in a lie but i lost it, although as people would know i hate people self voting, it makes me want to vote them off just for doing that. i'm reading through the thread and would like to hear more from shadow, he started the lynch train on sorrit/fbi yesterday and maybe he can do the same thing today, unless he is smarting because he started a train on his own team. there are a few people out there that are deciding to have a low post count/stay of the radar but as we saw from last night it doesn't work. i'd like the lower posters to engage in more activity so that we can get a better feel for the players and their alignments. otherwise it turns out to be the ones that are making the posts to be the ones singled out and votes placed against them. i have a fair indication who i want to vote for today (thyrllan) but i want to hear a little more of what he has to say on the game and players so far.