[Telas]

I should be around for a few hours.

Kessobahn, on 09 September 2011 - 02:54 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 09 September 2011 - 09:22 AM, said:

Telas, on 09 September 2011 - 08:03 AM, said:

I feel like i've been hit on the head during the night. What to do with no one to gun for yet? I fear 'you are not it' is not a very sensible way of choosing a lynch target.

that would be an amusing way to make cases webkit-fake-url://6AC7F5AA-21DD-4F6C-AAB3-B38F721EF2CC/killingme.gif

how's this for making a weak ass case.




vote telas




for signaling that he is a killer with a gun reference.

That wasn't a case, I didn't vote based on these criteria, I didn't vote in fact until a little later, I was making a joke, observe it in its natural habitat.

Tennes, on 09 September 2011 - 03:22 PM, said:

Korbas, on 09 September 2011 - 03:12 PM, said:

Even if it's weak, it seems that a vote for someone who has made "suspicious" comments is usually preferable to a random choice.

A lot of people are playing safe/lurky.




Being the first on a train is sticking your neck out more than most because you have to either contrive a reason for voting or admit you're voting in your own interests. Both have some risk of drawing heat, but traditionally the latter is worse because it's easier to abandon a case than to deny your playstyle. Which I think is why we see such a flood of votes following the first. People are relieved they don't have to move first and can just hop on in agreement - which is easier if you can say you agree with their case rather than their tactic.




Once a few votes are placed people can then hop on simply by merit of it being the leading train.

This has some merit but town was going to move if they got an inkling of something suspicious, maybe it wasn't as high risk for us as other games but getting a roled lynch early on is a great advantage. So yes, some people may have voted in relief, some may have tried to hide behind it and by the looks of things some voted when they realised that it was inevitable and a good way to distance themselves but there was a reason for the vote, yes it was slight but it was day 1 and reasons often are and the way Sorrit distanced himself from town and was being so coy about it was jarring and stood out and it turned out that was because he wasn't in fact town.

Tennes, on 09 September 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 09 September 2011 - 03:23 PM, said:

I think it is highly unlikely that a killer would do that. It would be incredibly stupid for one. Why draw attention to yourself. Any smart killer would not want to do that.

Kesso is being wishy washy about his case.

I think less wishy-washy and more considering different angles, because what he says makes sense, why would a killer make such a stupid reference? It was a stupid phrase to use maybe, didn't really think that much about it.

Silanah, on 09 September 2011 - 03:28 PM, said:

a bold and brazen killer would do it to easily dismiss the case against him




a new guy would do it by mistake




another guy would do it just to be too obvious therefore getting you to dismiss him as a potential killer (which you have just done by saying it incredibly stupid)




so yeah there are reasons one would do this.

I'm not even sure what this is getting at, why do it at all just to dismiss a case? Once a player falls under some kind of suspicion they are always scrutinised more closely, being dismissed one day as a potential candidate for lynch does not a lynch proof player make.

Korbas, on 09 September 2011 - 03:35 PM, said:

Silanah, on 09 September 2011 - 03:28 PM, said:

a bold and brazen killer would do it to easily dismiss the case against him




a new guy would do it by mistake




another guy would do it just to be too obvious therefore getting you to dismiss him as a potential killer (which you have just done by saying it incredibly stupid)




so yeah there are reasons one would do this.

I agree, I don't think we can dismiss suspicious posts because we assume no one is stupid enough to make a mistake. Not only is that usually a bad assumption in my experience, but we just lynched Sorrit for making a similar, "stupid" mistake.




I'm not saying we should just lynch Telas for saying the word "gun", but let's try to be consistent if we can...

I think there is a bit of a difference between using the word gun as part of a phrase and distancing yourself from town, okay you are construing it as a clumsy attempt to signal but no one on day one had any reason to distance themselves from town and the fact the someone tried stood out, hence the votes although with town wanting to be on a train it explains the speed of the lynch, I may have been more considered and cautious if I was going to be around more on that day and waited to see what everyone else was saying to see if a more viable candidate presented themselves but I wasn't going to be around and in this game, this early, caution in slightly less important than being in on a lynch.

Korbas, on 09 September 2011 - 03:48 PM, said:

Tennes, on 09 September 2011 - 03:39 PM, said:

Korbas, on 09 September 2011 - 03:35 PM, said:

we just lynched Sorrit for making a similar, "stupid" mistake.

Not really.




The majority lynched sorrit because they aren't sorrit and are either town(for whom this is a viable tactic) or pretending to be.

There is a difference between reasons posted on thread and real, ulterior reasons that no one talks about. They are both important, you can't dismiss everyone's comments of "oh Sorrit probably isn't town based on this one mistake" just because it's day one. I would be suspicious if someone said, "Oh, Sorrit made a mistake, let's lynch him to find out" and then a few hours later says, "No one's stupid enough to make a mistake like that, let's give Telas a pass."

I think I already said the nature of the two statements are quite different and really (especially from the perspective of knowing the CF and knowing the lynch was successful), you're going to think I did it on purpose or grudgingly admit it as a general, thought maybe stupid, comment. I can only say the implications of using the word never occurred to me but you'll make of it what you will.




After such a long night a lot of little things i'd been thinking on seem to have slipped my mind completely, I'm going to read over some pages again before posting my thoughts on players, trying to keep all these similar names straight in my head is confusing enough at the moment.

[Alkend]

This is rather interesting. though I am not sure a vet like JA would be caught in such a simple fuck-up...but maybe he's rusty. It bears watching

Serc, on 12 September 2011 - 05:54 PM, said:

Tellan, on 12 September 2011 - 05:30 PM, said:

Anthras, on 09 September 2011 - 05:14 PM, said:

Hahaha, sometimes the simplest cases are true

Kalse, on 12 September 2011 - 05:19 PM, said:

JA's dead already? :lmao:

Also thought the similarity of the quotes was kind of interesting, but not putting much stock in this observation.... yet.

I missed that, fantastic catch.

On a side note, I just realized that I misread the post of Korabas. Nothing interesting went on over the weekend, and I decided to keep quiet. The idea of speculating during the extended night period made me nervous.

As to being a low poster, I didn't have enough information on day 1 to make any decent cases (obviously). I'm not one for spam.

Now on to something more interesting...

Anthras, on 09 September 2011 - 06:51 AM, said:

Well, as expected, there's really nothing behind any of the votes. Kinda hard to build a case when you have no ennemy

Anyways, what to do? If my team becomes the enemy of whoever I manage to damage, that's win-win in my books. Let's try to optimise the damage then...

Anomandaris, on 09 September 2011 - 12:16 AM, said:

Quote

The Doctor _________. Cannot be jumped into.

I don't think I read this wrong.

vote Anomandaris

Note that his quote doesn't say "quote=Path Shaper". He's quoting from his PM, not the OP

Anthras, on 09 September 2011 - 10:43 AM, said:

Not sure if enough of the factions know of each other enough to have a de-railing happening. Who's the most known? The Consigliore/Special agent? And even then, only by 2 people if I understand correctly.

Now it's 4 for Sorrit, and I'm on a train with 3. So I'm happy here, but I would switch if needed

Do the quotes above lead anyone else to the idea of Anthras distancing himself from Anomandaris? It seems risky, yes, but during the second quote he seems to deny a derailment happening. I see Anthras as being Special Agent In charge and Anomandaris as Head Prosecutor. Anyone else have an opinion here?

I am skeptical of the distancing theory. In a game of 21 people, how much distancing do you need to do on day 1. It could be something, but in 4 days I don't think anyone would look back on that interaction and dismiss a connection because of that vote. I know I wouldn't.

[Alkend]

Actually, I don't want to be left out again.

vote Kalse

as he might be a rusty JA that jumped ship.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 19 hours and 23 minutes remaining
18 Players still alive: Alkend, Anomandaris, Atrahal, Kalse, Karosis, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korbas, Korlat, Serc, Shadow, Silanah, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

10 votes to lynch, 9 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Kalse ( Alkend )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Kalse, Karosis, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korbas, Korlat, Serc, Shadow, Silanah, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

[Tennes]

Telas, on 12 September 2011 - 06:09 PM, said:

Tennes, on 09 September 2011 - 03:22 PM, said:

Korbas, on 09 September 2011 - 03:12 PM, said:

Even if it's weak, it seems that a vote for someone who has made "suspicious" comments is usually preferable to a random choice.

A lot of people are playing safe/lurky.




Being the first on a train is sticking your neck out more than most because you have to either contrive a reason for voting or admit you're voting in your own interests. Both have some risk of drawing heat, but traditionally the latter is worse because it's easier to abandon a case than to deny your playstyle. Which I think is why we see such a flood of votes following the first. People are relieved they don't have to move first and can just hop on in agreement - which is easier if you can say you agree with their case rather than their tactic.




Once a few votes are placed people can then hop on simply by merit of it being the leading train.

This has some merit but town was going to move if they got an inkling of something suspicious, maybe it wasn't as high risk for us as other games but getting a roled lynch early on is a great advantage. So yes, some people may have voted in relief, some may have tried to hide behind it and by the looks of things some voted when they realised that it was inevitable and a good way to distance themselves but there was a reason for the vote, yes it was slight but it was day 1 and reasons often are and the way Sorrit distanced himself from town and was being so coy about it was jarring and stood out and it turned out that was because he wasn't in fact town.

People say "town" or "RI" instead of "us". You do it yourself in the above quote. While it's lovely patting ourselves on the back, I wouldn't say sorrit actually did anything suspicious, and the train seems to me to be the common faction game tendency of "he's not me" amplified by the mechanic of town wanting to be on a train and not having any interests other than their own at heart to begin.

Telas, on 12 September 2011 - 06:09 PM, said:

Tennes, on 09 September 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 09 September 2011 - 03:23 PM, said:

I think it is highly unlikely that a killer would do that. It would be incredibly stupid for one. Why draw attention to yourself. Any smart killer would not want to do that.

Kesso is being wishy washy about his case.

I think less wishy-washy and more considering different angles, because what he says makes sense, why would a killer make such a stupid reference? It was a stupid phrase to use maybe, didn't really think that much about it.

Kessos case was a joke to begin. I was similarly joking, by pretending it was a serious case when he was pointing out it was a flawed case (because he hadn't made it seriously).

[Tennes]

Look, I know everyone's worried about not getting onto trains, but can we please try and make proper cases and have proper discussion so we don't shoot ourselves in the foot later?

"two people both posted a short sentence ending in a smiley and there are FM in the game"

Really?

[Serc]

Tennes, on 12 September 2011 - 06:44 PM, said:

Look, I know everyone's worried about not getting onto trains, but can we please try and make proper cases and have proper discussion so we don't shoot ourselves in the foot later?

"two people both posted a short sentence ending in a smiley and there are FM in the game"

Really?

Tennes, everyone is worked up about getting on a succesful train. Catching an FBI agent would create winning conditions for those who were on the day 1 train. It would be especially nice to lynch a FM, who could wreak havok for the outfit. Many people want to get that FBI lynch out of the way, so they can be sure of their winning conditions.

I'm not doing anything yet, it's too early in the day. But I see where they're coming from.

[Tennes]

Serc, on 12 September 2011 - 06:49 PM, said:

Tennes, on 12 September 2011 - 06:44 PM, said:

Look, I know everyone's worried about not getting onto trains, but can we please try and make proper cases and have proper discussion so we don't shoot ourselves in the foot later?

"two people both posted a short sentence ending in a smiley and there are FM in the game"

Really?

Tennes, everyone is worked up about getting on a succesful train. Catching an FBI agent would create winning conditions for those who were on the day 1 train. It would be especially nice to lynch a FM, who could wreak havok for the outfit. Many people want to get that FBI lynch out of the way, so they can be sure of their winning conditions.

I'm not doing anything yet, it's too early in the day. But I see where they're coming from.

I can where they're coming from.

A lot of my posts over the weekend were about where they're coming from and why it's such a stupid place.

[Telas]

Tennes, on 12 September 2011 - 06:37 PM, said:

Telas, on 12 September 2011 - 06:09 PM, said:

Tennes, on 09 September 2011 - 03:22 PM, said:

Korbas, on 09 September 2011 - 03:12 PM, said:

Even if it's weak, it seems that a vote for someone who has made "suspicious" comments is usually preferable to a random choice.

A lot of people are playing safe/lurky.

Being the first on a train is sticking your neck out more than most because you have to either contrive a reason for voting or admit you're voting in your own interests. Both have some risk of drawing heat, but traditionally the latter is worse because it's easier to abandon a case than to deny your playstyle. Which I think is why we see such a flood of votes following the first. People are relieved they don't have to move first and can just hop on in agreement - which is easier if you can say you agree with their case rather than their tactic.

Once a few votes are placed people can then hop on simply by merit of it being the leading train.

This has some merit but town was going to move if they got an inkling of something suspicious, maybe it wasn't as high risk for us as other games but getting a roled lynch early on is a great advantage. So yes, some people may have voted in relief, some may have tried to hide behind it and by the looks of things some voted when they realised that it was inevitable and a good way to distance themselves but there was a reason for the vote, yes it was slight but it was day 1 and reasons often are and the way Sorrit distanced himself from town and was being so coy about it was jarring and stood out and it turned out that was because he wasn't in fact town.

People say "town" or "RI" instead of "us". You do it yourself in the above quote. While it's lovely patting ourselves on the back, I wouldn't say sorrit actually did anything suspicious, and the train seems to me to be the common faction game tendency of "he's not me" amplified by the mechanic of town wanting to be on a train and not having any interests other than their own at heart to begin.


Yes it was a weak case, I said as much and it probably wouldn't have went through on any other day but it was day 1 also 'the RI faction' the wording there seems delibrately distant but you are right, not exactly the most solid proof case. As I said though i'd have been more cautious if I was going to be around but there was a need to be on a train and they were going to build up fast, no one wants to be left behind, goes without saying really. It was between Anomander and Sorrit and between wording and gut I voted Sorrit.

Telas, on 12 September 2011 - 06:09 PM, said:

Tennes, on 09 September 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 09 September 2011 - 03:23 PM, said:

I think it is highly unlikely that a killer would do that. It would be incredibly stupid for one. Why draw attention to yourself. Any smart killer would not want to do that.

Kesso is being wishy washy about his case.

I think less wishy-washy and more considering different angles, because what he says makes sense, why would a killer make such a stupid reference? It was a stupid phrase to use maybe, didn't really think that much about it.

Kessos case was a joke to begin. I was similarly joking, by pretending it was a serious case when he was pointing out it was a flawed case (because he hadn't made it seriously).

Fair enough that passed me by completely.

[Alkend]

Tennes, on 12 September 2011 - 06:53 PM, said:

Serc, on 12 September 2011 - 06:49 PM, said:

Tennes, on 12 September 2011 - 06:44 PM, said:

Look, I know everyone's worried about not getting onto trains, but can we please try and make proper cases and have proper discussion so we don't shoot ourselves in the foot later?

"two people both posted a short sentence ending in a smiley and there are FM in the game"

Really?

Tennes, everyone is worked up about getting on a succesful train. Catching an FBI agent would create winning conditions for those who were on the day 1 train. It would be especially nice to lynch a FM, who could wreak havok for the outfit. Many people want to get that FBI lynch out of the way, so they can be sure of their winning conditions.

I'm not doing anything yet, it's too early in the day. But I see where they're coming from.

I can where they're coming from.

A lot of my posts over the weekend were about where they're coming from and why it's such a stupid place.

Easy for you to say. You were on the train. Besides, in a game with 2 FM you do need to be on the look out for those types of similarities. I am fine with the vote. I could give 2 shits if you are fine with it or not. Granted, this isn't the free-for-all that day one was, and we do need to hit outfit/fbi but what are you expecting, them to just come out and advertise? My vote isn't random, and at this point in the day I feel fine with it. If I notice something different, I will make a case. If someone else makes a better case, I will pounce on it. But I sure as shit aint sitting around with no vote placed. At the end of the day I do need to be on a train. So, you can go to the "stupid place" I am coming from and eat a bag of dicks.

EDIT: Changed "on" to "one"

This post has been edited by Alkend: 12 September 2011 - 07:11 PM

[Tennes]

Like you say, I am on a train, and if nothing changes and I die I'll get my alignment anyhow.

If people want to vote for weak, near random reasons, they can suit themselves. How you think that's going to give you a better chance of hitting who you want to I don't know but whatever.

[Thyrllan]

Tennes, on 12 September 2011 - 07:18 PM, said:

Like you say, I am on a train, and if nothing changes and I die I'll get my alignment anyhow.

If people want to vote for weak, near random reasons, they can suit themselves. How you think that's going to give you a better chance of hitting who you want to I don't know but whatever.

The only people who have a problem with hitting at random are roled players, because they can hit a teammate.
Townies, who where on the lynch last day have tendency who they want to hit, but it is still pretty open for them.
And for the townies who where not on the train it doesn't matter at all, the only thing is that they want ot hit roled players to get winning conditions.

So that's a lot of people for whom it doesn't really or only slightly matter who they hit.

But you seem to care, so maybe you are roled?

Vote Tennes




As for me not posting during the weekend, well, some people go on a trip and are gone from friday noon to sunday evening.

[Alkend]

Tennes, on 12 September 2011 - 07:18 PM, said:

If people want to vote for weak, near random reasons, they can suit themselves. How you think that's going to give you a better chance of hitting who you want to I don't know but whatever.

Thats just it. The person I dont want to hit... is ME. You understand the concept that if you have no winning condition that you are playing for yourself, correct? Meaning I don't care if it takes me 4 lynch tries to hit outfit/fbi. Sucks to be the 3 innos we hit prior, but at this point in time I am playing for only 1 person. myself. At the point that I actually have a team, and have something to play for, I will play a more considerate game. But really, at this point in time, as long as the lynch isn't me, I am helping my current team. Myself. I would expect that the others who weren't on the train yesterday to have a similar feelings. But maybe I am just looking at this weird.

[Alkend]

Thyrllan, on 12 September 2011 - 07:40 PM, said:

Tennes, on 12 September 2011 - 07:18 PM, said:

Like you say, I am on a train, and if nothing changes and I die I'll get my alignment anyhow.

If people want to vote for weak, near random reasons, they can suit themselves. How you think that's going to give you a better chance of hitting who you want to I don't know but whatever.

The only people who have a problem with hitting at random are roled players, because they can hit a teammate.
Townies, who where on the lynch last day have tendency who they want to hit, but it is still pretty open for them.
And for the townies who where not on the train it doesn't matter at all, the only thing is that they want ot hit roled players to get winning conditions.

So that's a lot of people for whom it doesn't really or only slightly matter who they hit.

But you seem to care, so maybe you are roled?

Vote Tennes




As for me not posting during the weekend, well, some people go on a trip and are gone from friday noon to sunday evening.

thanks, you said what i was trying to much better than me.

[Tennes]

Thyrllan, on 12 September 2011 - 07:40 PM, said:

Tennes, on 12 September 2011 - 07:18 PM, said:

Like you say, I am on a train, and if nothing changes and I die I'll get my alignment anyhow.

If people want to vote for weak, near random reasons, they can suit themselves. How you think that's going to give you a better chance of hitting who you want to I don't know but whatever.

The only people who have a problem with hitting at random are roled players, because they can hit a teammate.
Townies, who where on the lynch last day have tendency who they want to hit, but it is still pretty open for them.
And for the townies who where not on the train it doesn't matter at all, the only thing is that they want ot hit roled players to get winning conditions.

So that's a lot of people for whom it doesn't really or only slightly matter who they hit.

But you seem to care, so maybe you are roled?

This is exactly the fucking idiotic idea I've been arguing against.

Town should care who they lynch. Those of us on the train want to maintain our advantage. Those off the train want to gain the same faction as those on the previous train, because they have a significantly better chance of victory that way.

There is the potential for a lot of death at night, and the more lynches we miss the more chance that people won't get aligned.

But since apparently "fuck you, got mine" is the correct way to play.

Vote Tennes

Let's lynch me.

I'm town, and when I die I'll get my alignment. I'm not going to vote on a crap train because I don't want to balance out my alignment by hitting the wrong team. People seem determined to vote randomly anyway, in which case it's going to come down to luck anyhow, and I'd rather trust lucky NAs to keep the outfit at an advantage than randomly lynch one of them so me being lynched is a nice day where you don't hit them for me.

If the town is going to insist on playing shoddily and lynch randomly it's down to luck anyhow.

As well as which, hitting me nicely reduces the chances of a bunch of you managing get aligned.

[Serc]

Tennes, on 12 September 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 12 September 2011 - 07:40 PM, said:

Tennes, on 12 September 2011 - 07:18 PM, said:

Like you say, I am on a train, and if nothing changes and I die I'll get my alignment anyhow.

If people want to vote for weak, near random reasons, they can suit themselves. How you think that's going to give you a better chance of hitting who you want to I don't know but whatever.

The only people who have a problem with hitting at random are roled players, because they can hit a teammate.
Townies, who where on the lynch last day have tendency who they want to hit, but it is still pretty open for them.
And for the townies who where not on the train it doesn't matter at all, the only thing is that they want ot hit roled players to get winning conditions.

So that's a lot of people for whom it doesn't really or only slightly matter who they hit.

But you seem to care, so maybe you are roled?

This is exactly the fucking idiotic idea I've been arguing against.

Town should care who they lynch. Those of us on the train want to maintain our advantage. Those off the train want to gain the same faction as those on the previous train, because they have a significantly better chance of victory that way.

There is the potential for a lot of death at night, and the more lynches we miss the more chance that people won't get aligned.

But since apparently "fuck you, got mine" is the correct way to play.

Vote Tennes

Let's lynch me.

I'm town, and when I die I'll get my alignment. I'm not going to vote on a crap train because I don't want to balance out my alignment by hitting the wrong team. People seem determined to vote randomly anyway, in which case it's going to come down to luck anyhow, and I'd rather trust lucky NAs to keep the outfit at an advantage than randomly lynch one of them so me being lynched is a nice day where you don't hit them for me.

If the town is going to insist on playing shoddily and lynch randomly it's down to luck anyhow.

As well as which, hitting me nicely reduces the chances of a bunch of you managing get aligned.

Voting for yourself does nothing. It doesn't prove any point beyond the fact that you enjoy being dramatic.

I get the sense that you're bluffing. But not enough to cast a vote.

[Serc]

I'm leaving for an hour or two to get dinner.

Think your votes through. I don't want to come back to a town death.

[Tennes]

Serc, on 12 September 2011 - 08:01 PM, said:

Tennes, on 12 September 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 12 September 2011 - 07:40 PM, said:

Tennes, on 12 September 2011 - 07:18 PM, said:

Like you say, I am on a train, and if nothing changes and I die I'll get my alignment anyhow.

If people want to vote for weak, near random reasons, they can suit themselves. How you think that's going to give you a better chance of hitting who you want to I don't know but whatever.

The only people who have a problem with hitting at random are roled players, because they can hit a teammate.
Townies, who where on the lynch last day have tendency who they want to hit, but it is still pretty open for them.
And for the townies who where not on the train it doesn't matter at all, the only thing is that they want ot hit roled players to get winning conditions.

So that's a lot of people for whom it doesn't really or only slightly matter who they hit.

But you seem to care, so maybe you are roled?

This is exactly the fucking idiotic idea I've been arguing against.

Town should care who they lynch. Those of us on the train want to maintain our advantage. Those off the train want to gain the same faction as those on the previous train, because they have a significantly better chance of victory that way.

There is the potential for a lot of death at night, and the more lynches we miss the more chance that people won't get aligned.

But since apparently "fuck you, got mine" is the correct way to play.

Vote Tennes

Let's lynch me.

I'm town, and when I die I'll get my alignment. I'm not going to vote on a crap train because I don't want to balance out my alignment by hitting the wrong team. People seem determined to vote randomly anyway, in which case it's going to come down to luck anyhow, and I'd rather trust lucky NAs to keep the outfit at an advantage than randomly lynch one of them so me being lynched is a nice day where you don't hit them for me.

If the town is going to insist on playing shoddily and lynch randomly it's down to luck anyhow.

As well as which, hitting me nicely reduces the chances of a bunch of you managing get aligned.

Voting for yourself does nothing. It doesn't prove any point beyond the fact that you enjoy being dramatic.

I get the sense that you're bluffing. But not enough to cast a vote.

Voting for myself makes me the largest train.

You're not going to cast a vote?

But why not? After all, it's just been explained that we shouldn't care about hitting at random. You seem to care about who you vote, maybe you're roled.

[Serc]

Tennes, on 12 September 2011 - 08:05 PM, said:

Serc, on 12 September 2011 - 08:01 PM, said:

Tennes, on 12 September 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 12 September 2011 - 07:40 PM, said:

Tennes, on 12 September 2011 - 07:18 PM, said:

Like you say, I am on a train, and if nothing changes and I die I'll get my alignment anyhow.

If people want to vote for weak, near random reasons, they can suit themselves. How you think that's going to give you a better chance of hitting who you want to I don't know but whatever.

The only people who have a problem with hitting at random are roled players, because they can hit a teammate.
Townies, who where on the lynch last day have tendency who they want to hit, but it is still pretty open for them.
And for the townies who where not on the train it doesn't matter at all, the only thing is that they want ot hit roled players to get winning conditions.

So that's a lot of people for whom it doesn't really or only slightly matter who they hit.

But you seem to care, so maybe you are roled?

This is exactly the fucking idiotic idea I've been arguing against.

Town should care who they lynch. Those of us on the train want to maintain our advantage. Those off the train want to gain the same faction as those on the previous train, because they have a significantly better chance of victory that way.

There is the potential for a lot of death at night, and the more lynches we miss the more chance that people won't get aligned.

But since apparently "fuck you, got mine" is the correct way to play.

Vote Tennes

Let's lynch me.

I'm town, and when I die I'll get my alignment. I'm not going to vote on a crap train because I don't want to balance out my alignment by hitting the wrong team. People seem determined to vote randomly anyway, in which case it's going to come down to luck anyhow, and I'd rather trust lucky NAs to keep the outfit at an advantage than randomly lynch one of them so me being lynched is a nice day where you don't hit them for me.

If the town is going to insist on playing shoddily and lynch randomly it's down to luck anyhow.

As well as which, hitting me nicely reduces the chances of a bunch of you managing get aligned.

Voting for yourself does nothing. It doesn't prove any point beyond the fact that you enjoy being dramatic.

I get the sense that you're bluffing. But not enough to cast a vote.

Voting for myself makes me the largest train.

You're not going to cast a vote?

But why not? After all, it's just been explained that we shouldn't care about hitting at random. You seem to care about who you vote, maybe you're roled.

I'm not saying I disagree with a lot of what you're saying. That doesn't mean you need to throw a fit. It's probably safe to assume that there are plenty of people like me that agree with your points, if not your approach. Reel it in, buddy.

[Serc]

There are 7 anonymous users and 1 guest lurking. Someone post an opinion.

Leaving for real this time. Be back ASAP to continue this.