[Thyrllan]

Thyrllan apologises for posting nearly the same material again, but to be absolutely smurf, Thyrllan's new-old-new-old position is:

Anthras-Silanah does not seem smurfly in Thyrllan's opinion. Thyrllan with anyone does not seem likely in Thyrllan's opinion. That leaves Telas and Silanah or Telas and Anthras. Telas is now the common denominator.

Telas, Barghast and Karatallid are the lynch options. Thyrllan asks who would like to prove once and for all smurf whether or not Barghast is telling the truth or not?

[Osseric]

i'll be back tomorrow

[Barghast]

Thyrllan, on 30 August 2011 - 08:36 PM, said:

Thyrllan apologises for posting nearly the same material again, but to be absolutely smurf, Thyrllan's new-old-new-old position is:

Anthras-Silanah does not seem smurfly in Thyrllan's opinion. Thyrllan with anyone does not seem likely in Thyrllan's opinion. That leaves Telas and Silanah or Telas and Anthras. Telas is now the common denominator.

Telas, Barghast and Karatallid are the lynch options. Thyrllan asks who would like to prove once and for all smurf whether or not Barghast is telling the truth or not?

Dude, I'm sure you and D'riss have gone over my explanation and additional requested and then provided info like bloodhounds in the past two-three hours, or six or so if you have been online since I revealed. It is the prudent and good thing to do regardless of your alignment. If you're scum you'll want to rubbish it, if you're town you want to see if I'm not lying and whether or not you can trust it and what doubts and question marks remain and what it means for the game. If you found an impossibility, you'd both have thrown it on here asap. Once again: completely justified. But seriously: while I won't tell you to stop searching for inconsistencies in my reveal and in my play so far: the ball is on now the side of the people who are implicated as likely scum by my reveal. It is their turn to counter in whatever way they deem fit and they have to come up with something, even if it is a suspicion, a vote, a counterclaim, an accusation, a case, anything.

[Barghast]

On the plus side, there are still quite huge amounts of time left.

I'll be out, I have a lovely red Tempranillo at the good temperature, and a Blackadder the 4th dvd ready on the tv screen.

[Thyrllan]

The thought strikes Thyrllan that we are talking about three scum in the group Anthras, Barghast, Karatallid, Silanah, Telas. Of these, as D'riss has explained, Barghast cannot be evil guard. If Barghast is telling the truth, then all of Silanah, Telas and Anthras are scum, as Barghast has smurfed Kara inno and guards would supposedly also come up as scum rather than inno like symps.

Thyrllan of course discounts himself, but others may not.

Continuing with this theory: D'riss says D'riss was guarded night 4. Anthras has not been around, so it stands to reason that, smurfly, he is not the evil guard either, unless P-S went on an early provisional. Again, if Anthras was killer, but had not been around, would P-S have gone off the kill confirmation from only one of the killers? Once again it smurfs Thyrllan how much could potentially be cleared up by the resolution of Anthras' fate.

If Barghast and Karatallid were killers, who would be the evil guard? Not Thyrllan, who has long attacked both and smurfly Karatallid. Not Telas, who has turned on Karatallid previously (Thyrllan seems to remember). Anthras again comes under the smurf of not being around, so Silanah as the evil guard?

[Thyrllan]

Barghast, on 30 August 2011 - 08:53 PM, said:

Dude, I'm sure you and D'riss have gone over my explanation and additional requested and then provided info like bloodhounds in the past two-three hours, or six or so if you have been online since I revealed. It is the prudent and good thing to do regardless of your alignment. If you're scum you'll want to rubbish it, if you're town you want to see if I'm not lying and whether or not you can trust it and what doubts and question marks remain and what it means for the game. If you found an impossibility, you'd both have thrown it on here asap. Once again: completely justified. But seriously: while I won't tell you to stop searching for inconsistencies in my reveal and in my play so far: the ball is on now the side of the people who are implicated as likely scum by my reveal. It is their turn to counter in whatever way they deem fit and they have to come up with something, even if it is a suspicion, a vote, a counterclaim, an accusation, a case, anything.

Is Barghast politely informing Thyrllan that he has talked to much and should now quieten down? Thyrllan shall mutely cogitate on this smurf turn of events

[Telas]

look, what else is there for me to say that hasn't been said in great detail by others or myself in other earlier posts. i am inno, and roleless at that. i am also very tired, so if you vote me off i will be very sad for town, but at the same time, i look forward to seeing who everyone else was

i still think however strange my theory maybe, i think we are missing something in not trying to identify the second guard and questioning those who are roled (but for which side?) but anyways, i am personally interested in seeing what happens with anthras, and then i hope you all will vote so we can move on. i enjoy the banter, but it's starting to smell like pulped dead horse in here.

[D'riss]

I'd like a ruling on Anthras, and a Timer.

Once I get those I will roll my dice. I won't be here for lynch time as I believe( hence the request for a lynch timer) we time out around 4am my time.


Also, one thing I thought about at lunch that would open up some options...(like we need more of those). If Kara is the symp/guard I believe his CF would come up as inno... making a Barghast/Kara pairing of killers not a certainty.

[Thyrllan]

Guards normally do smurf up as evil though, unlike symps.

[D'riss]

I submit this as why Anthras and Telas are very likely not paired. Anthras seems to have general Anomosity towards Telas.

Anthras, on 18 August 2011 - 05:42 AM, said:

Telas, on 18 August 2011 - 12:21 AM, said:

and finally, I agree with Kara that again I see signaling here in this post, this time between osseric and anthras. I am very suspicious of people posting with "..." and letting someone else, maybe their team mate, fill in the blank. moreover, i haven't really seen any rebuttal from osseric or anthras for this particular accusation.

so i think there is definitely a link between osseric and TS (they are not voting for each other for one, and it is very interesting that a couple vote clusters, such as one for osseric, haven't started a lynch train) and very possibly a link between osseric and anthras

i want to hear what anthras was indicating with the initial "M" in that later quote, and why osseric brought up Galain after talking about the seemingly unrelated topic of the Inn's name.

Vote Osseric, for suspicious associations and his potential to be a night killer.

Telas, what the hell have you been smoking? I'm signaling Osseric? The guy seemed eager to play a Lovecraftian themed game. If you're familiar with pen&paper and RPGs based on Lovecraft work, then you know that it's all about Elder Things, paranormal, tentacles&slime, disgusting stuff that can't be killed with explosives or bullets or anything of that sort - and with people going inevitably insane as they lose Sanity Check after Sanity Check on their road to Cthulhu Mythos delving.
So everyone ends up either dead, or inside a small cozy room with soft white walls. See Arkham Asylum for more details.
Eagerness to play such a game in the first place says that either you're already insane/deranged to begin with - or you're a Masochist.
Which is what M stands for. And you would have noticed that I made a pun on it later, about people being nekkid in the thread, in a game that most often involves tentacles in it, and about BDSMing.

And speaking of the lynch train, that behavior led to three votes into the very first 4 hours of the game. As it started.
The only reason people didn't push that agenda up further, was due to the timing of the votes, the fact that it was very early in the game, and some discussion on it that Osseric's behavior was more on the symp-side rather than the killer-side, and it would be wiser to go for his master first, than stick on him.

Kalse, on 18 August 2011 - 03:22 AM, said:

If you think you have evidence suggesting a player is a town role, why would you reveal it?

This.
THIS.

Telas, on 18 August 2011 - 03:42 AM, said:

ok, well let's think about how a cult would draw together, especially in the rich environment of RPing. the cult would want to identify members, make sure that the night kills didn't reduce their team size, and potentially point out pertinent facts to other cult members. this is under the assumption that nobody knows who is who, or that only two cult know each other and are probing for the other members.

this is risky, but as long as people were following suit and RPing as well, such signaling could be obscured fairly easily. now, cult most likely has 2 killer roles, esp. in a ".5" numbered mafia game. what if they have other roles, which according to the OP could include a healer or a guard. this would make more sense if....

....the town also had its own night killers. we have both sides taking pot shots overnight, and if we had a quicker moving game, we could have very active night scenes (we'll see when this day ends)

anyways, that is my straw man, and regardless, I believe their posts and vote changing are scummy enough as it stands. TS could be a healer requesting a guard, TS could be a symp asking not to be night killed, or TS could be a night killer requesting a heal/guard (meaning i misinterpreted his weaponless comment).

however, i feel very confident that osseric is one of the killers based on the above reasoning. TS, i am still unsure of his role.

Since when town started operating under different circumstances than WCS options?
16 player game, and you think it will be uncommon for a paired killer combo? Outside thread communication? Two symps, one for each paired killer who don't know the other killer?

For someone who seems eager enough to analyze and explain how someone's behavior and posts leads you to believe he is roled town, and further explaining which role he has - your reluctance to consider that team scum could operate under better intel and being organized more than the mandatory 'Scum know who Town are' information, is suspicious as hell.

Strawmaning and kicking dust in our eyes. Hmmmm

[D'riss]

Interesting quote where we can kinda see Barghast perhaps supporting Kara when he has pressure on him.

Barghast, on 18 August 2011 - 10:03 AM, said:

I would REALLY appreciate a vote and time count.

I don't really get the hard-on for Karatallid, myself.
Yes, I understand that he's being accused of being symped and IF the pattern is correctly spotted then he MAY be scum - or just an unlucky inno on the receiving end of a play that can be used by scum but, let's face it, has been an inno past-time for the entire history of the game to lighten up day 1.

If you analyse play, the ones who do all the weird stuff are the people we accuse of symping Karatallid, not Kara himself. Either he's been set-up, caught in a series of unfortunate events or he has the worst symps in the history of the game. Personally, the first is scum overextending themselves, the second is likely and the third.... well, it is possible.

So far, I find I mostly agree with what I read of Kalse, and I can understand his reasoning for his Kara vote a tad bit better than Emurlahn, at the least, but... Ask yourself guys, what are we going to do if we do lynch Kara and if he turns up inno (yeah, two ifs, but the same applies to the accusation against him)?

Lynch the people who then "obviously" fake-symped him into a noose, or let them walk, see if we can spot more symp clues from them, or consider them confused innos, which they perhaps or even probably are, and have that nagging doubt at the back of our necks for the rest of the game, especially when it concerns Osseric's staggeringly contra-productive play so far?

[D'riss]

Thyrllan, on 30 August 2011 - 09:31 PM, said:

Guards normally do smurf up as evil though, unlike symps.

I guess, but Morghy said there would be combined roles... If it is a symp/guard... its not unreasonable to have them CF inno. IDK... just spit ballin here.

[Thyrllan]

D, on 30 August 2011 - 10:01 PM, said:

Interesting quote where we can kinda see Barghast perhaps supporting Kara when he has pressure on him.

Barghast, on 18 August 2011 - 10:03 AM, said:

I would REALLY appreciate a vote and time count.

I don't really get the hard-on for Karatallid, myself.
Yes, I understand that he's being accused of being symped and IF the pattern is correctly spotted then he MAY be scum - or just an unlucky inno on the receiving end of a play that can be used by scum but, let's face it, has been an inno past-time for the entire history of the game to lighten up day 1.

If you analyse play, the ones who do all the weird stuff are the people we accuse of symping Karatallid, not Kara himself. Either he's been set-up, caught in a series of unfortunate events or he has the worst symps in the history of the game. Personally, the first is scum overextending themselves, the second is likely and the third.... well, it is possible.

So far, I find I mostly agree with what I read of Kalse, and I can understand his reasoning for his Kara vote a tad bit better than Emurlahn, at the least, but... Ask yourself guys, what are we going to do if we do lynch Kara and if he turns up inno (yeah, two ifs, but the same applies to the accusation against him)?

Lynch the people who then "obviously" fake-symped him into a noose, or let them walk, see if we can spot more symp clues from them, or consider them confused innos, which they perhaps or even probably are, and have that nagging doubt at the back of our necks for the rest of the game, especially when it concerns Osseric's staggeringly contra-productive play so far?

Thyrllan asks if Barghast said this during day 1, or after night 1, when Barghast smurfed he investigated Karatallid?

[D'riss]

It was before night 1. So, it stands to reason he would investigate Karatallid.

[Path-Shaper]

[Osseric]

So D'riss, who would you likely vote for now then? I am also thinking that PS' unwillingness to Modkill Anthras maybe that he is scum, if he was innocent he may have been given the chop like Shadow? by now.

Also if you outline your main lynch candidates for today I can follow later on.

[Telas]

Thyr, when your shiny ass gets back here, i want you to know that you really suck for dodging out like that. even if you are town, you have my ire.

[Osseric]

wtf? where has everything gone?

[Barghast]

Osseric, on 31 August 2011 - 03:21 PM, said:

wtf? where has everything gone?

Another hiccup.

[Osseric]

Vote Telas