[Silanah]

God damn. Had a couple emergencies at work today. Sorry I wasn't around at all. Haven't even had a chance to catch up on the thread yet. I'm about to get drunk and pass out, but expect to hear from me tomorrow.

[Barghast]

Kalse, on 19 August 2011 - 11:25 PM, said:

As a direct question then, who do you suspect the most and why?

As a result of my willingness to PI him should his Kruppe-penguin style be the result of his role: Thyrllan. Also because he is smart. You, because you and Telas have been slinging mud at each other and no-one has looked back to that. rom either of you, so Telas as well. Shadow is cool and collected, almost coasting. Silanah I don't have a read on. Osseric, for the plain and simple fact that we are currently not in a position to doubt him and a really ballsy scum could claim guard. But frankly: I have no real clue as of yet. Which isn;t strange as we're only on game day 2. What I do notice is the higher number of prolific posters and the amount of spats on thread, which is more than usual. I wonder if those are genuine, smoke screens, or symping. So yeah, I expect a killer scum amongst the high posters and very active people.


As for not presenting my own opinions: as said, I don't have a lot of time to post. I already admitted I had the whole exchange between you and Telas passing me by (also because it happened when I was not on thread, unlike the whole Osseric reveal). So there it is.

[Karatallid]

Anthras, on 19 August 2011 - 08:10 PM, said:

Another wild thought that I've been unable to block out.
Regarding all the weird posting so far, and game set up discussion --- there's something crawling in the back of my head that keeps saying that Fener was given some kind of important town role, and this is his big chance of redeeming the avatar from all the dung piles he's accumulated over the previous games.
Of course that thought will not prevent me from lynching Fener - it's Fener after all. But I firmly believe Morgoth to be sadistic enough to pull a fast one, like that, on us.

wow...something i actually agree with coming out of your gob...amazing

[Anthras]

Tulas Shorn, on 19 August 2011 - 10:54 PM, said:

@Anthras

WHAT THE FUCK!!!!

Where are you getting this hard on for symps?

I have never once stated that I thought anyone was a symp or accused a finder of finding a symp.

I don't even know if fener is a finder. I just want some answers to why fener has a hard on for d'riss.

Seriously jackass.

Tulas Shorn, on 19 August 2011 - 10:56 PM, said:

Also how would you know if D'riss would CF as innocent unless you yourself were scum?

Dude, you're playing a different game.
Either that, or you're drunk most of the time.
Either that, or you're ignorant or faking ignorance.

I don't really know. I don't really care.
There's a vote for you already, and others are seriously considering you as a lynch candidate - yet you seem content to fight this out with me, when all you're doing is making more mess of your self.

I'm this () close to voting you at this moment.

[Anthras]

Kalse, on 19 August 2011 - 08:16 PM, said:

Now you're making me paranoid.

Thyr wasn't the first to point out TS, I don't think. So, he could be accused of simply parroting safe suspicions (why I want further details, beyond him disliking the D'riss train). In fact, this would make more sense for scum, since they don't need to lead lynches as long as the lynches are away from scum, and unless he's de-railing from D'riss, wouldn't need to lead a lynch away.

This is the first serious attempt on TS ; other than symp - signaling accusations from day 1 madness.

Thyrllan, on 19 August 2011 - 09:49 AM, said:

DANCE! DANCE WITH JOY FOR IT IS THYRLLAN!

Thyrllan returns from his slumber to find questions regarding his usefulness to team inno. Thyrllan is astonished, dismayed, and disappointed. Thyrllan hampers not the penguin efforts to escape this hell hole! Thyrllan has given you a lynch train! Thyrllan has given you many useful, various, and varied opinions. It is not the fault of Thyrllan if the generation of today has not the patience to sit throught Thyrllan's generous wisdom.

Thyrllan himself has indeed examined the lynch train. Thyrllan believes with appalling penguin conviction that Osseric and Karatallid voted for Galain out of the cowardly but honest motive of pure self-preservation. Therefore, Thyrllan suspects most the middle order of voters - hated bastard imitator Telas, Anthras, Emurlahn, Kalse and Shadow. Within these Thyrllan knows that we will find horrible evil.

Thyrllan also has a suspect out of those who didn't vote. Who, Thyrllan asks, constantly chips in with the odd opinion, the odd questioning remark or vague accusation, the half-arsed case? Who, Thyrllan asks, is never here when the pressure builds, when real decisions have to be made? TULAS SHORN. Who has asked for Fener to reveal if he has a role, in the idiotic way that Osseric did? TULAS SHORN. Who pretends to make fateful decisions which they know they can take back with the penguin excuse of not having read through the entire thread when they made their decision? TULAS SHORN.

Thyrllan sagaciously suggests that Tulas Shorn needs to be examined, his posts unpacked, his manner penguin analysed. Thoroughly.

[Anthras]

Something else that strikes odd - REALLY ODD.

Korlat, on 19 August 2011 - 08:19 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 18 August 2011 - 09:13 PM, said:

It's day 1.

There's 35 minutes left of the day.


Players still alive: Barghast, Sorrit, Osseric, Anthras, Kalse, Karatallid, Silanah, Korlat, Thyrllan, Telas, Shadow, Galain, Fener, Emurlahn, D'riss, Tulas Shorn.

9 votes to lynch.
8 votes to go to night.

8 votes for Galain ( Thyrllan, Osseric, Karatallid, Telas, Anthras, Emurlahn, Kalse, Shadow)
1 vote for Osseric (Galain)
1 vote for Fener (Sorrit)
3 votes for Karatallid ( D'riss, Emurlahn)
1 vote for D'riss (Fener)

Players that have yet to vote: Barghast, Silanah, Tulas Shorn

Personally i think the galain lynch was pretty straight forward from about the 3-4 vote and as said before osseric and Kara's votes seemed more defensive. But after that point i think it would have been safe for scum to avoid the train so i would look more at those who were not on it for at least one of the scum. So me, driss, emurlahn, fener, silanah, and TS seeing as sorrit and galain are dead. So thats 6. For now i don't think fener is scum, or at the very least not important scum. And me and tulas were there to give our votes, i would count that in our favor at that point(obviously debatable but i am looking at the fact that one at least one would avoid a fairly visible lynch especially if they can communicate off thread) so i am left looking at driss, emurlahn, and silanah. Of those 3 emur and silanah have not been posting much either becuase they are busy or lurking, either of which doesnt provide much. Leaving driss.

And i am still waiting on fener to provide something. So i still like driss as a lynch just not as much as i did before i looked back and saw fener accusation of getting silenced. A little more from emur or silanah wouldn't hurt either.

edit-Grammar

WIFOM?
Why would scum avoid a day 1 train , that's generally based on a bit of randomness, low-poster focusing, and people who eventually will go for any target available in order to get a lynch.
Scum hiding in Day 1 lynch trains are quite common.
And Galains case is quite safe, if you ask me --- people can come up with a lot of excuses to drop votes in day 1 on someone. Getting close to lynch time, not having another potential target, etc etc

And that comment comes after a few of us have been debating the Galain train, and seem to be looking more into the people who ride it, and try to focus more on a few of them.

Korlat has been pinging my scum radar for a while now, and getting louder and louder with each post.

[Shadow]

@ Barghast - Very well, point taken re: flamewar. I know that it is a source of info, but at the time it was distracting and annoying. I doubt what I said made any difference anyway, but I should have taken it in stride.

I am going along with the high possibility of Fener's importance, but if that is true, we must weigh carefully his opinion of D'riss. TS made a good point about the fact that if Fener were to remove his vote, it would help to determine whether there is an issue of certainty or merely some gut/other reason at play.

I'm content to treat Osseric as PI for now, unless other info comes to light.

There's usually a trend to think scum is hiding in the most vocal and the most quiet, but a lot of time they turn up in the safe middle zone. Just putting that out there.

[Kalse]

Barghast, on 20 August 2011 - 07:41 AM, said:

Kalse, on 19 August 2011 - 11:25 PM, said:

As a direct question then, who do you suspect the most and why?

As a result of my willingness to PI him should his Kruppe-penguin style be the result of his role: Thyrllan. Also because he is smart. You, because you and Telas have been slinging mud at each other and no-one has looked back to that. rom either of you, so Telas as well. Shadow is cool and collected, almost coasting. Silanah I don't have a read on. Osseric, for the plain and simple fact that we are currently not in a position to doubt him and a really ballsy scum could claim guard. But frankly: I have no real clue as of yet. Which isn;t strange as we're only on game day 2. What I do notice is the higher number of prolific posters and the amount of spats on thread, which is more than usual. I wonder if those are genuine, smoke screens, or symping. So yeah, I expect a killer scum amongst the high posters and very active people.


As for not presenting my own opinions: as said, I don't have a lot of time to post. I already admitted I had the whole exchange between you and Telas passing me by (also because it happened when I was not on thread, unlike the whole Osseric reveal). So there it is.

The mud slinging was disagreement about his case. I still think that the case was pretty ridiculous, but it got overshadowed by the reveal.

There's more to go on now so it's become kind of a moot point. If he happens to bring forward that case, or a similarly stretching one, I'll happily tell him how silly he is again.

In hindsight though, Telas did bring forward the fact that he though Osserics posts suggested he had a role, which is not a good thing for an inno to do.

[Kalse]

I also don't like the weight that is being given to the idea that Fener has some kind of certain knowledge. This is pure speculation, and not even likely. People were saying not to be distracted yesterday, attacking others for trying to sow confusion.

And now people are advocating that we lynch based on Fener being silenced and voting D'riss. Because that might mean Fener knows D'riss is scum. Is that your first assumption every time someone votes someone else without reasoning? Or does being silenced somehow make it more likely, silenced scum-knowing roles being so common (and I'm not even talking just M&P here. Even without of M&P, that is not a common role. I'm not even sure if it's a role I've even seen)

And you know what, whatever his restrictions, Fener has been hugely unhelpful.

He has offered no explanation for D'riss, not commented on other cases, not presented anyone else he feels suspicious about.

He is striking me like a symp at the moment.

[Shadow]

Kalse, on 20 August 2011 - 02:08 PM, said:

I also don't like the weight that is being given to the idea that Fener has some kind of certain knowledge. This is pure speculation, and not even likely. People were saying not to be distracted yesterday, attacking others for trying to sow confusion.

And now people are advocating that we lynch based on Fener being silenced and voting D'riss. Because that might mean Fener knows D'riss is scum. Is that your first assumption every time someone votes someone else without reasoning? Or does being silenced somehow make it more likely, silenced scum-knowing roles being so common (and I'm not even talking just M&P here. Even without of M&P, that is not a common role. I'm not even sure if it's a role I've even seen)

And you know what, whatever his restrictions, Fener has been hugely unhelpful.

He has offered no explanation for D'riss, not commented on other cases, not presented anyone else he feels suspicious about.

He is striking me like a symp at the moment.

I don't know if it's being given much weight, I think only 3 or so people have said they think it likely. It just sounds right to me for now. That's not a distraction, just a theory like any other. And it's a few posts not a wall of text. The whole scenario is "unlikely" per usual mechanics, but you must agree something unexpected is going on. It's just easy to imagine things to fill in the blanks when you only have a few clues. Fener has been using the word "Scum" in his posts, and pointed out that he thought something has been done to him.
I'm not defending him, by any stretch, he could be a red herring generator all the way.

[D'riss]

@kalse everytime I read one of your posts it makes me think I have turned scum and that you are my symp... If I end up getting lynched, I'd hope people would take a good look at you. Maybe it's coincidence, and maybe you really think Feners "case" is crap (which it is) but I've never had someone stick up for me before. Makes me wary. Feels like I am being set up.

Anyway, this is my one post till Monday. After weighing all that's been said till now I feel Korlat is most likely scum. Minimal substantial posting, dodgy vote on my train...questions it, but leaves it on. Directing people away from those on galains train with some really bad logic. He's my pick for now. I would be willing to vote TS if it meant a lynch.

On my phone so I hope this goes bold... If not, PS can you help me out? I'll be back Monday well before lynch time.

[bold] vote Korlat [/bold]

I'm out, see ya monday

[Kalse]

With mafia, it's very difficult to attack someone without seeming like defending someone else.

The train on you looks very dodgy. It's not (barring Telas' vote which isn't as bad) based on you, but rather on speculation that Fener may know something more than anyone else.

That seems unlikely to me.

I am not defending your behaviour in any way. I simply think that some of the votes you've picked up look scummy.

[Korlat]

Thyrllan, on 19 August 2011 - 01:18 AM, said:

Even Thyrllan must give in to the time of dreams at some point, but before he goes he will impart one more penguin piece of wise wisdom for his erstwhile companions.

Thyrllan believes that Fener's silencing is indeed suspicious. However, Thyrllan cannot believe that he is murdering scum, for would murdering scum really make themselves that obvious a target? Thyrllan believes that Fener might be a symp at worst, attempting to distract attention from the killers. In which case, Fener's attempts to warn us of the scumminess of D'riss may be trying to point us in the wrong penguin direction. Unless Fener is playing a cunning double-bluff game worthy of Thyrllan himself, in which D'riss is scum, and Fener knows, but is distracting us from it by pointing it out.

That sounds idiotic, but then that was the reasoning given for the beginning of the lynch train on Karatallid, was it not? Oh wait, Thyrllan suspects that that was idiotic too.

Furthermore, Thyrllan believes that he has given his inn-mates (hah, too clever a jest, Thyrllan!) a worthy lynch train to investigate, and investigations should penguin commence at once. Thyrllan's initial vote for Galain was based on absolutely nothing at all, as Thyrllan himself pointed out more than once, and yet the sheeple jumped like there was no tomorrow. Thyrllan graciously suggests that the sheeple hide a wolf or two amongst them.

Anthras, on 19 August 2011 - 01:41 AM, said:

Now, semi ignoring Galains vote still on Osseric, and Sorrit's vote still on Fener since either of them failed to report in, in time to explain - We're left with Galains lynch train AND the people who had yet to vote.

Examining that train, and with the current knowledge of Galain being inno, I'm inclined to believe that there is at least ONE, possibly two scums riding it. Separating those involved into two teams, one before my vote, and one after my vote, my scum radar says that one among the Emur/Kalse/Shadow group is possibly scum. Out of the first group, Thyrllan for his annoying posts would get the short end of the stick.

D, on 19 August 2011 - 05:33 PM, said:

If I had to put my money down I would say

On Train Scum possibilities: Telas, Korlat, Shadow
Off train Scum: long shot, Silanah

No one so far has argued that all the scum are on the train but as soon as i suggest the only other possibility i look like scum?

On the train we can only eliminate osseric as far i am concerned. which leaves 10 others or nine if you were on the train( i am counting ts and me because we were at the end and had locked in our votes just waiting on the end of the day). Or off the train we have 3 fener, silanah, and driss a much smaller suspect pool as the other two are dead . Misspoke in my last post emur was on the galain train but in ps post before the lynch he was under kara train as well.

The train was easy to hide in but it was just as easy to stay off. The lynch was gonna happen with or without scum's help.

Edit-Grammar, had Thry quoted twice(removed one)

This post has been edited by Korlat: 20 August 2011 - 06:23 PM

[Korlat]

You could add me and Tulas if you don't buy our votes and there would still be a smaller suspect pool.

[Silanah]

Ok. First, to the comments about my smoothness:

Well, I haven't been around enough, so I can see why I would be labeled like this, but in my opinion the game isn't at the point where we really have smooth players yet. It's mid-day 2, and for all the mini-arguments and accusations out there, there's only been a single lynch train which was almost inevitable from the general consensus on Galain's absence being unacceptable. Too often being smooth gets conflated with being a low-poster (which I am). So far the low-poster hunt hasn't turned out too well this game (Galain, Sorrit), but I agree that there could be a killer lurking and low-posting. Besides, though, there's a difference between being uninvolved and being reckless. This brings us to my first suspect, Emurlahn.

Emur's votes have been lazy, and usually in the middle or early part of the train, when the clock isn't running down on the lynch and votes are critical. He removes vote just as easily, switching to Galain because " people seem to agree on Galain." Not that his vote on Kara (because he was "getting the most pressure") was any better... Since then he hasn't given much input on anything. I'm guilty of not posting much either, I know, but I've at least given some thoughts on events now and again; even when Emur votes, he gives little explanation. That plus the careless way he excuses his absence make him seem reckless to me, and therefore scummy. Admittedly, half or more of my suspicion is gut instinct but there isn't much to go on till Emur comes back and contributes like he promised..

Second suspect...Thyr. Check out these posts:

Thyrllan, on 18 August 2011 - 09:52 PM, said:

Thyrllan revels in Galain's death! Now light will live everlasting! Inno? Pah! Galain was clearly some sort of symp/evil guard type. Clearly. Now if only Rashan, that bastard son of Galain, were around, Thyrllan could destroy him too and then nothing could stop Thyrllan!

Thyrllan, on 19 August 2011 - 01:18 AM, said:

Even Thyrllan must give in to the time of dreams at some point, but before he goes he will impart one more penguin piece of wise wisdom for his erstwhile companions.

Thyrllan believes that Fener's silencing is indeed suspicious. However, Thyrllan cannot believe that he is murdering scum, for would murdering scum really make themselves that obvious a target? Thyrllan believes that Fener might be a symp at worst, attempting to distract attention from the killers. In which case, Fener's attempts to warn us of the scumminess of D'riss may be trying to point us in the wrong penguin direction. Unless Fener is playing a cunning double-bluff game worthy of Thyrllan himself, in which D'riss is scum, and Fener knows, but is distracting us from it by pointing it out.

That sounds idiotic, but then that was the reasoning given for the beginning of the lynch train on Karatallid, was it not? Oh wait, Thyrllan suspects that that was idiotic too.

Furthermore, Thyrllan believes that he has given his inn-mates (hah, too clever a jest, Thyrllan!) a worthy lynch train to investigate, and investigations should penguin commence at once. Thyrllan's initial vote for Galain was based on absolutely nothing at all, as Thyrllan himself pointed out more than once, and yet the sheeple jumped like there was no tomorrow. Thyrllan graciously suggests that the sheeple hide a wolf or two amongst them.

Now, there are a whole host of problems with Thyr's play now that I'm taking a look at his posts more closely; the RP-fetish makes it easy to skim sometimes.

First, if the contradiction here isn't enough, it's odd that Thyr proclaims his certainty about Galain being scum despite the inno CF, and only hours later claims responsibility for the lynch AND admits that he voted Galain on a whim. This is weird arrogance but it's couched in the bullshit third-person RP style so that everything he says almost seems sarcastic (damn you, Kruppe), but you can't say for sure. Then he criticizes everyone else as "sheeple" for riding the train he started! And then suggests that the aforementioned "sheeple" take a look at themselves to find scum! The sheer audacity of this almost lets him get away with it. The way he describes his own actions has almost a "cover-your-ass" type feel, where he brings a possible accusation against himself before anyone has said it, because he thinks it will make him look more innocent.

Not only does he mock everyone for following his baseless lead, he actually lies - he says he pointed out that there was no reason to lynch Galain many times, but this never actually happened. Let's see some posts from before the lynch:

Thyrllan, on 18 August 2011 - 12:35 AM, said:

LET THERE BE LIGHT!!!!!!!!


The glory unending that is Thyrllan makes the brilliant point that if Telas is right in his suppositions regarding Tulas Shorn, then it seems more like he is highlighting in big bright quotable letters - brighter almost than Thyrllan himself - to scum that TS has a role and would like protection.

But at this moment, Thyrllan applauds Telas' efforts at case-making, and notes that the brass dragon/Osseric connection sounds mighty interesting.

Thyrllan's omniscience tells him that one of Anthras or Galain is evil, human-sacrificing, cult-killer-scum.

Thyrllan would like to see Galain shrivelled to a crisp. Hated, hated non-light that is Galain.

Vote Galain


YOU MAY CEASE BEING AWED BY THE WONDROUS LIGHT OF THYRLLAN FOR THE NEXT FEW MOMENTS.

Thyrllan, on 18 August 2011 - 02:53 AM, said:

Thyrllan believes that Fener couldn't articulate a decent opinion even if he weren't all silenced-up - Oooh, SNAP!

Thyrllan congratulates himself on his ability to poke fun at those who find it difficult to defend themselves, though simultaneously the omnisicient Thyrllan fears what insults are coming his way in pictorial form.

Thyrllan wishes to once again state his gut opposition to Galain and his yellow custard-like ways.

Thyrllan, on 18 August 2011 - 11:17 AM, said:

GO THYRLLAN!!!!!!!


Thyrllan notes that Osseric's reveal is going to cram up all other roled innos into wondering whether they should protect him/investigate him etc.

Thyrllan further notes that Osseric initial mistake appears to come from confusing Galain - the detested Warren of Darkness - and the Galayn Lord demon who is an entirely different thing. Fool.

Thyrllan likes not the case on Karatallid. Thyrllan believes that people have latched on to something and refuse to let go, and have convinced themselves that anything and everything is a sign of Karatallid's scumminess. It could be, but Thyrllan thinks not. Thinks it weak.

Thyrllan too can demonstrate immovable stubborness, however, for Thyrllan will not be dussuaded from their initial feeling of Galain's evil scumminess.

And then right after the lynch:

Thyrllan, on 18 August 2011 - 09:55 PM, said:

Thyrllan furthermore penguin resents the suggestion that his long-sought vengeance on Galain was motivated by nothing more than drunken horror. Thyrllan consumes penguin all, it is true, but Thyrllan himself is not consumed by drink. Alcohol is penguin burned, sizzled, evaporated away by Thyrllan's blinding touch.

So Thyr goes out of his way to emphasize the necessity of the Galain lynch AND how certain he is about it, until all of a sudden he claims that he was always unsure about Galain and that he said so many times. Neither of those things are true, as his posts show pretty clearly.

Now, he's been contributing pretty frequently but I don't think that clears him of anything. Aside from the Osseric reveal, most people are divided as to whether Thyr and Fener should be PI'd because of their oddities, or lynched because of them. The more I think about the weirdness here, the more dissociated they seem to me. Fener's silence is a mechanic that almost prevents him from playing the game, unless he has information/abilities besides what is given on thread. If you can't even explain the reasons for your vote (although, recently it seems like Fener has stopped trying to explain..), you certainly can't be a helpful RI. So if he's inno town, I think the mechanic has to be a targeted ability rather than part of his role; even then, though, others have said it's unusual to have a silence ability work on the same person two days in a row, and this also effectively prevents a player from playing the game as long as the person with the ability stays alive and keeps targeting them. Seems too unusual to be a real game mechanic, but it's possible. If Fener is a killer, the silence seems too obvious a marker for scum, especially since he can't even defend himself. That leaves symp as the most likely role in my mind, but the truth is none of these scenarios make a lot of sense. For these reasons I don't see Fener as a normal finder, and so I don't think the D'riss vote carries a lot of weight. Still, despite not knowing anything concrete about Fener, he is a distraction, dead or alive, and the problem with either lynching him or following his advice is that a tangent like this could take two days to really resolve, and unless he or D'riss turn up as cult, we may not be able to recover from the wasted time. It almost seems best to ignore Fener totally.

Now, Thyr's third-person affectation is really quite different from Fener's silence. What would be the point of a mechanic, targeted or otherwise, that forced Thyr to speak like this? It's almost entirely flavor, and any mafia player could work a little harder to refer to himself by name in every sentence, but it doesn't affect the game very much, if at all. Thyr isn't prevented from doing anything he normally would do, and he's never even addressed the reasons why he speaks like this, using humor to deflect instead. On the other hand, Fener's silence is a radical departure from normal gameplay and definitely affects not only his play, but the ability of everyone else to interact with him. These two things don't seem the same to me, and for that reason I think that Thyr is just a ballsy guy who decided to RP the whole game and see how it went. It's clever but I think he's using it to cover up his scummy play to great effect. Why would you bother with the trouble of this if you weren't hiding something? As a mechanic it seems pointless and random, so I think it's fake.

So right now Thyr is my top suspect, and I am wary of Emurlahn too. I need to review the case on TS a bit more before I weigh in.

Phew. That's all from me for now.

edit - tried to fix text color

This post has been edited by Silanah: 21 August 2011 - 03:04 AM

[Anthras]

Silanah, fix the coloring in the middle of your post - my eyes are bleeding trying to read that thing.

[Karatallid]

tldr

[Thyrllan]

These are fell times indeed for poor honourable Thyrllan! Thyrllan's absence is marked for penguin a mere day and what does Thyrllan return to find? A case! A case on sad Thyrllan! The tragic irony of said case (beside its glaring and obvious falsity) is that but mere moments before Thyrllan was nodding and agreeing sagely to slippery Silanah's remarks concerning our erstwhile companion Emurlahn!

Thyrllan proclaims it a sad time when Thyrllan's eloquence and salubriousness and, dare Thyrllan say, a garrulous gift with words, is used against Thyrllan in penguin order to trap him! Should Thyrllan suffer because others are unable to comprehend the intellectual peaks of his silky sentences? Thyrllan thinks not!

But Thyrllan is a studious defender of his mighty self, and moreover wishes to clear Thyrllan's name so that Thyrllan and his fellows can continue with the hunt for the true horrors out in the yonder. First and foremost, the issue of Thyrllan's vote on Galain rears its ugly head: Thyrllan proclaims that the answer lies in the very penguin quotes which Silanah employed to confound and bind sad Thyrllan with. Thyrllan's dislike for Galain from the offset was based on exactly what penguin Thyrllan stated it to be - Galain's position as master of Dark, the very opposite to Thyrllan's high rulership of Light! Hence, "hated, hated non-light that is Galain."

Thyrllan is the first to admit that this is hardly good Mafia conjecture! But Thyrllan points out modestly that it was day 1, and Thyrllan is of the opinion that, all things being equal, any case/suspicion/whim is as good as any other on day 1. Thus Thyrllan merely followed the private vendetta of the Elder warrens! And so Thyrllan was increasingly surprised (but of course pleased, for Thyrllan hated Galain) that others would choose to vote the same way. Of course Thyrllan did not remove his vote penguin! Of course Thyrllan pushed for Galain's lynch! It was instinct born of the natural rivalry between light and dark! And that is why "Thyrllans revels in Galain's death".

Thyrllan subsequently chuckled - nay, chortled mightily! - to penguin himself when he read Silanah's thoughts that Thyrllan "seems almost sarcastic" concerning Thyrllan's celebration upon the lynch of Galain. Poor, simple Silanah, but you got it right! It was but sarcasm when Thyrllan pronounced that of course Galain was no mere inno but some other scum role - Thyrllan is well aware in truth that Galain was in most probability a pure and simple inno. That a case should be made out of that - Thyrllan despairs!

Finally, the final quote which Silanah uses to beat Thyrllan over the head with. As if the pure energy of light could be beaten over its immaterial head! Thyrllan is most disappointed in Silanah's daring to take such a quote out of its proper context and present penguin it as if was piece of an entirely different puzzle. That particular quote is of course in reference to Path-Shaper's death-scene for Galain, wherein Thyrllan throttles tragic Galain in a drunken rage. Thus, Thyrllan was responding to Path-Shaper's accusation penguin that mere alcohol could so affect the mighty Thyrllan, when Thyrllan had made it clear that Thyrllan holds abiding and instinctive hatred for Galain with or without liquid lubricant.

Thus, Thyrllan hopes that he has been able to be of some succint help to Silanah. penguin As Thyrllan said at the beginning, Thyrllan enjoyed reading Silanah's thoughts on Emurlahn, and intends to look into this himself - and middle posters in general - in the future which follows Thyrllan's return to the land of dreams and antelopes. Thyrllan admits to some confusion as to Silanah's confusion over Thyrllan's references to Thyrllan - Thyrllan is uncomprehending as to what Silanah could mean by this. Thyrllan speaks as penguin would any other, if perhaps with an expanded vocabulary, no? But Thyrllan shall sleep on this and a great many other things - such as Thyrllan's wonderful downy pillows.

[Thyrllan]

Oh! Even perfect Thyrllan forgot to respond to one other piece of Silanah's suppositions. Silanah claims that Thyrllan acts arrogantly and audaciously. Well, Thyrllan would not be Thyrllan if he did not! Thyrllan dares Silanah, when Silanah becomes a ruler and repository of highest Light - nay, it's very essence - then let us see if Silanah can constantly remain humble.

[Silanah]

Anthras, on 21 August 2011 - 01:05 AM, said:

Silanah, fix the coloring in the middle of your post - my eyes are bleeding trying to read that thing.

Any better?

Karatallid, on 21 August 2011 - 01:50 AM, said:

tldr