[Silanah]

Thyr, I'll have to respond in more detail later, but you're essentially saying that you were being sarcastic and just RPing? The problem is that "I didn't mean it" isn't a very convincing argument. Where do you draw the line? How many of your stated opinions are just RP flavor or a mighty jest from Thyrllan the ruler of light? For instance, in one post you said that Anthras or Galain was scum - do you have some other Thyrllan-related reason for hating Anthras too? Or are you just mixing things up with some genuine suspicions and some for the sake of RP?

I also think that if someone just said they were starting a lynch train on someone else because their alt killed that person in MBotF, it might not go over so well. (edit - except Fener, of course)

This post has been edited by Silanah: 21 August 2011 - 03:51 AM

[Thyrllan]

Silanah, on 21 August 2011 - 03:49 AM, said:

Thyr, I'll have to respond in more detail later, but you're essentially saying that you were being sarcastic and just RPing? The problem is that "I didn't mean it" isn't a very convincing argument. Where do you draw the line? How many of your stated opinions are just RP flavor or a mighty jest from Thyrllan the ruler of light? For instance, in one post you said that Anthras or Galain was scum - do you have some other Thyrllan-related reason for hating Anthras too? Or are you just mixing things up with some genuine suspicions and some for the sake of RP?

I also think that if someone just said they were starting a lynch train on someone else because their alt killed that person in MBotF, it might not go over so well. (edit - except Fener, of course)

What can Thyrllan do but tell the truth? Would Silanah penguin prefer Thyrllan to come up with a convincing lie instead? Does Silanah then tar D'riss' argument that D'riss' musings about cult were a mistake with the same brush of unconvincing argument? Does Silanah view Tulas Shorn's explanation that Tulas Shorn's asking of Fener to reveal if Fener has a role was simply a case of Tulas Shorn not thinking as another unconvincing explanation? And if so, why penguin does Silanah not point out these also?

Thyrllan believes in the competence and abilities of most of his fellow players. Thyrllan has penguin faith that they are able to tell when Thyrllan gives a serious opinion. But, if Silanah finds it difficult, Thyrllan can oblige Silanah from now on with smileys such as or for when Thyrllan is not serious, so that Silanah does not have to worry and stress themselves anymore.

Thyrllan repeats again, whilst Thyrllan's reasons for voting Galain on day 1 were not based on studious dissection of Galain's posts and interactions, Thyrllan always held out the hope that Galain might come back as scum. If Thyrllan had some way to be entirely convinced that there was no penguin possibility that Galain could have been anything but inno, Thyrllan would not have voted for Galain despite their long-standing rivalry. But Thyrllan was not to know, just as no one else could have known for certain one way or another. Thyrllan's suspicions of Anthras were like everyone else's suspicions of everyone else on day 1 - simple instinct coming from Thyrllan's prodigious gut.

[Emurlahn]

Korlat, on 19 August 2011 - 08:19 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 18 August 2011 - 09:13 PM, said:

It's day 1.

There's 35 minutes left of the day.


Players still alive: Barghast, Sorrit, Osseric, Anthras, Kalse, Karatallid, Silanah, Korlat, Thyrllan, Telas, Shadow, Galain, Fener, Emurlahn, D'riss, Tulas Shorn.

9 votes to lynch.
8 votes to go to night.

8 votes for Galain ( Thyrllan, Osseric, Karatallid, Telas, Anthras, Emurlahn, Kalse, Shadow)
1 vote for Osseric (Galain)
1 vote for Fener (Sorrit)
3 votes for Karatallid ( D'riss, Emurlahn)
1 vote for D'riss (Fener)

Players that have yet to vote: Barghast, Silanah, Tulas Shorn

Personally i think the galain lynch was pretty straight forward from about the 3-4 vote and as said before osseric and Kara's votes seemed more defensive. But after that point i think it would have been safe for scum to avoid the train so i would look more at those who were not on it for at least one of the scum. So me, driss, emurlahn, fener, silanah, and TS seeing as sorrit and galain are dead. So thats 6. For now i don't think fener is scum, or at the very least not important scum. And me and tulas were there to give our votes, i would count that in our favor at that point(obviously debatable but i am looking at the fact that one at least one would avoid a fairly visible lynch especially if they can communicate off thread) so i am left looking at driss, emurlahn, and silanah. Of those 3 emur and silanah have not been posting much either becuase they are busy or lurking, either of which doesnt provide much. Leaving driss.

And i am still waiting on fener to provide something. So i still like driss as a lynch just not as much as i did before i looked back and saw fener accusation of getting silenced. A little more from emur or silanah wouldn't hurt either.

edit-Grammar

I don't like what Korlat does here. First he dismisses all people who are on the train, then the people who are not on the train but there to vote along and then the low-posters to get a belated reason for his suspicious vote on D'riss. The problem is, that D'riss came back, too, to hammer if needed, so his justification is way off.

Korlat, on 19 August 2011 - 08:21 PM, said:

Oh also Sorrit only made one post and it was a vote for fener.

Scum killed sorrit

Fener=scum




edit-case closed

Who do you want to go for now? Following along Fener and vote for D'riss or go for Fener.

That, together with your for on D'riss in first place make you my favorite choice doe scum right now.

vote Korlat


Other things I found odd where Kara defending Thyr so much, when Thyr is well capable of defending himself.

And Telas saying that there would be most likely no scum among the more vocal poster. Everyone has his own style to play scum, some or more vocal others more coasting, so it is stupid to rule that out.

Also, Thyr, why would you be sacastic about your stance to a vote and or train? That doesn't help town when examining your post and I think Silahnas case is quite convincing.

So Thyr, TS and Telas are my second favorite for scum right now.

[Thyrllan]

Emurlahn, on 21 August 2011 - 12:42 PM, said:

Also, Thyr, why would you be sacastic about your stance to a vote and or train? That doesn't help town when examining your post and I think Silahnas case is quite convincing.

Does Thyrllan not speak clearly,cooly and calmly? Thyrllan wonders penguin why people suddenly seem to have so much confusion with the things Thyrllan says, when Thyrllan has been nothing if not open, plain-spoken, and to the point. Thyrllan tries again then: The penguin sarcasm which Thyrllan referred to is not what egregious Emurlahn appears to think he referred to. For Emurlahn's kind benefit, see below:

Thyrllan, on 18 August 2011 - 09:52 PM, said:

Thyrllan revels in Galain's death! Now light will live everlasting! Inno? Pah! Galain was clearly some sort of symp/evil guard type. Clearly. Now if only Rashan, that bastard son of Galain, were around, Thyrllan could destroy him too and then nothing could stop Thyrllan!

This is the only bit of sarcasm in Thyrllan's posts with reference to doomed Galain. Thyrllan would have thought that the addition of the second 'Clearly' is enough evidence for Silanah not to think he was being fully serious in his comment. Thyrllan hopes that this helps Emurlahn, and penguin reassures him that Thyrllan would never consciously hinder beloved town.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 2
The week end freeze is in effect. Play continues but the clock is stopped until Monday morning.


14 players still alive: Barghast, Osseric, Anthras, Kalse, Karatallid, Silanah, Korlat, Thyrllan, Telas, Shadow, Fener, Emurlahn, D'riss, Tulas Shorn.

8 votes to lynch.
7 votes to go to night.

3 votes for D'riss (Fener, Korlat, Tulas Shorn)
1 vote for Anthras (Karatallid)
1 vote for Tulas Shorn (Kalse)
1 vote for Korlat (Emurlahn)

Players that have yet to vote: Barghast, Osseric, Anthras, Silanah, Thyrllan, Shadow, Emurlahn, D'riss, Telas.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 21 August 2011 - 08:21 PM

[Shadow]

Forum has been down for me, anybody else?

[Osseric]

i wrote a massive post earlier but it disappeared. just now got on. will be back later

[Path-Shaper]

what the hell

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 2
26 hours and 18 minutes left of the day. The week end freeze has ended.


14 players still alive: Barghast, Osseric, Anthras, Kalse, Karatallid, Silanah, Korlat, Thyrllan, Telas, Shadow, Fener, Emurlahn, D'riss, Tulas Shorn.

8 votes to lynch.
7 votes to go to night.

3 votes for D'riss (Fener, Korlat, Tulas Shorn)
1 vote for Anthras (Karatallid)
1 vote for Tulas Shorn (Kalse)
1 vote for Korlat (Emurlahn)

Players that have yet to vote: Barghast, Osseric, Anthras, Silanah, Thyrllan, Shadow, Emurlahn, D'riss, Telas.


I know there were at least two vote choices done within the now lost segment. I think I remember what they were but as it stands I'd rather not include votes that are not to be found in thread.

[Karatallid]

my post also disappeared....strange

[Osseric]

barghast voted for ts, i'll be back in a bit

[Barghast]

Gah. There went my observation of my re-read stuff. I'll do a quick recap but it isn;t as well written and/or clear as the previous version was, so forgive the rush.

Short recap: Telas + Kalse: I agree with Kalse that the spat between the two of them itself is not interesting in hindsight. What is were the connections that were made in that spat with others (D'riss and TS, most notably - and what is equally interesting is that these are people who catch votes).

Re Anthras: on my readback, he has done very few people favors and is bullying most evenly. Few of his theories are complete rubbish, although some are farfetched and look mostly like stuff to make someone sweat over than utter bullshit for the purpose of building smokescreens like an offensive symp would. I get the impression that he wants to be a very dominant player and perhaps attract a NK to come up as RI. The strategy itself is sound and as long as we don't give him total dominance over what way we vote but use our own brains, I 'm fairly certain we will benefit from his work.

Then, there was something I noticed about Fener (see also Korlat at around 360): when Fener logged on for the first time, he asked 'who did this to me' or something of equal intent. Now that he is posting today in pictures yet again, some (read: me) speculate that this is part of his role, and I know I've suggested that if this is part of his role, it might well be to offset a weaker scum faction, thereby implying we might PI him. Fener himself has done almost nothing to shed any more light on this issue and that in itself is starting to bother me.

So, what is it, Fener? Part of your role, or forced on you by someone in the game?? Do we have to look for a Ben, or not? You can surely clarify and haven't, so far...

Finally, because I agree with Kalse about TS building a train that might well have been premature, I voted TS.
That said, I also have to say that there was a post by Kalse towards Korlat (sadly also demised by the scrollback) that is sadly lost, but which said that lynching Fener would be unproductive as he;s as likely to be a hindrance alive as much as dead. That raised quite the eyebrow.
so:

Vote Tulas Shorn

[Tulas Shorn]

Anthras, on 20 August 2011 - 11:33 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 19 August 2011 - 10:54 PM, said:

@Anthras

WHAT THE FUCK!!!!

Where are you getting this hard on for symps?

I have never once stated that I thought anyone was a symp or accused a finder of finding a symp.

I don't even know if fener is a finder. I just want some answers to why fener has a hard on for d'riss.

Seriously jackass.

Tulas Shorn, on 19 August 2011 - 10:56 PM, said:

Also how would you know if D'riss would CF as innocent unless you yourself were scum?

Dude, you're playing a different game.
Either that, or you're drunk most of the time.
Either that, or you're ignorant or faking ignorance.

I don't really know. I don't really care.
There's a vote for you already, and others are seriously considering you as a lynch candidate - yet you seem content to fight this out with me, when all you're doing is making more mess of your self.

I'm this () close to voting you at this moment.

All the above you accuse me of other than the drunk part I believe applies to you. You are no teammate of mine and now are either team scum or such a poor team town that you need to be removed because all you are doing is attracting attention on yourself by causing fights. Now I'm more sure than ever that someone is getting heat that you don't like so you are trying to get the attention moved onto someone else. My vote stays.

You are now dead to me.

[Tulas Shorn]

Kalse, on 20 August 2011 - 02:08 PM, said:

I also don't like the weight that is being given to the idea that Fener has some kind of certain knowledge. This is pure speculation, and not even likely. People were saying not to be distracted yesterday, attacking others for trying to sow confusion.

And now people are advocating that we lynch based on Fener being silenced and voting D'riss. Because that might mean Fener knows D'riss is scum. Is that your first assumption every time someone votes someone else without reasoning? Or does being silenced somehow make it more likely, silenced scum-knowing roles being so common (and I'm not even talking just M&P here. Even without of M&P, that is not a common role. I'm not even sure if it's a role I've even seen)

And you know what, whatever his restrictions, Fener has been hugely unhelpful.

He has offered no explanation for D'riss, not commented on other cases, not presented anyone else he feels suspicious about.

He is striking me like a symp at the moment.

But testable to the speculation but if you don't want to vote out D'riss to test the theory then we can drill Fener with a bunch of yes no questions and have him respond with either or just to get more information.

[D'riss]

I'm Back, looks like some posts got deleted? I hadn't posted, but that sucks as I would have liked to read them. I think PS didn't catch my vote so, to stay true to my word:



vote Korlat

I'd be willing to switch to TS... but I am not really sold on him as scum atm.


@TS you seem to be willing to throw an inno to the wolves just to test your own personal theory. That in itself is disturbing, so what happens when you lynch me and I come back inno? Where do you go from there... A Fener Lynch? Do you really think he is going to come back scum? at worst he is an inno, at best he is a symp, either way, after 2 inno lynch and 2 nk (assuming guard/heal etc don't work) we are down 4 players and have got...where? That is why people don't like setting up lynches ahead of time. Scum can plan around that. Though I don't have the feeling you are scum, your lack of willingness to see past your "theory" on fener, and be so fixated upon it, to the expense of all other arguments is a bit fishy.

Also, where the hell is Fener... so much discussion surrounds him, and he is nowhere to be found. I'd still like to know why he voted me.

[D'riss]

Tulas Shorn, on 22 August 2011 - 02:44 PM, said:

Kalse, on 20 August 2011 - 02:08 PM, said:

I also don't like the weight that is being given to the idea that Fener has some kind of certain knowledge. This is pure speculation, and not even likely. People were saying not to be distracted yesterday, attacking others for trying to sow confusion.

And now people are advocating that we lynch based on Fener being silenced and voting D'riss. Because that might mean Fener knows D'riss is scum. Is that your first assumption every time someone votes someone else without reasoning? Or does being silenced somehow make it more likely, silenced scum-knowing roles being so common (and I'm not even talking just M&P here. Even without of M&P, that is not a common role. I'm not even sure if it's a role I've even seen)

And you know what, whatever his restrictions, Fener has been hugely unhelpful.

He has offered no explanation for D'riss, not commented on other cases, not presented anyone else he feels suspicious about.

He is striking me like a symp at the moment.

But testable to the speculation but if you don't want to vote out D'riss to test the theory then we can drill Fener with a bunch of yes no questions and have him respond with either or just to get more information.

Yeah, if Fener ever shows up. I know he isn't a finder. I want to ask him why he's got such a boner for me. His vote and disapperance have dominated day 2 and he is nowhere to be found. I think it will help move things along if you hear it from his mouth that he isn't a finder and just has a feeling that I am scum.

[Tulas Shorn]

D, on 22 August 2011 - 04:25 PM, said:

I'm Back, looks like some posts got deleted? I hadn't posted, but that sucks as I would have liked to read them. I think PS didn't catch my vote so, to stay true to my word:



vote Korlat

I'd be willing to switch to TS... but I am not really sold on him as scum atm.


@TS you seem to be willing to throw an inno to the wolves just to test your own personal theory. That in itself is disturbing, so what happens when you lynch me and I come back inno? Where do you go from there... A Fener Lynch? Do you really think he is going to come back scum? at worst he is an inno, at best he is a symp, either way, after 2 inno lynch and 2 nk (assuming guard/heal etc don't work) we are down 4 players and have got...where? That is why people don't like setting up lynches ahead of time. Scum can plan around that. Though I don't have the feeling you are scum, your lack of willingness to see past your "theory" on fener, and be so fixated upon it, to the expense of all other arguments is a bit fishy.

Also, where the hell is Fener... so much discussion surrounds him, and he is nowhere to be found. I'd still like to know why he voted me.

That is what mafia is all about acting on hunches, theories, cases, etc. and then making descisions based on the results. Other than being a bit off on Day 1 you are not even in my top four of who I think is scum. But because I keep getting a fair amount of heat on trying to get some more information out of the whole Fener wants to vote you out I feel I may be on to something and would like to pursue it. Personally I like the case against Emurhlan better, but his behavior could just as easily been described as a busy townie that was being lazy and just wanted to get a day 1 lynch.

[Kalse]

Tulas Shorn, on 22 August 2011 - 02:44 PM, said:

Kalse, on 20 August 2011 - 02:08 PM, said:

I also don't like the weight that is being given to the idea that Fener has some kind of certain knowledge. This is pure speculation, and not even likely. People were saying not to be distracted yesterday, attacking others for trying to sow confusion.

And now people are advocating that we lynch based on Fener being silenced and voting D'riss. Because that might mean Fener knows D'riss is scum. Is that your first assumption every time someone votes someone else without reasoning? Or does being silenced somehow make it more likely, silenced scum-knowing roles being so common (and I'm not even talking just M&P here. Even without of M&P, that is not a common role. I'm not even sure if it's a role I've even seen)

And you know what, whatever his restrictions, Fener has been hugely unhelpful.

He has offered no explanation for D'riss, not commented on other cases, not presented anyone else he feels suspicious about.

He is striking me like a symp at the moment.

But testable to the speculation but if you don't want to vote out D'riss to test the theory then we can drill Fener with a bunch of yes no questions and have him respond with either or just to get more information.

We could test it with a lynch, yes.

But we get a limited number of lynches, so I'd rather not using them testing theories that seem so unlikely.

As barghast points out that I said earlier, him being unhelpful does not necessarily mean I want to lynch him. I think he is more likely a symp than a master. I can't see us gaining much useful information from a lynch. I also think that the chance of him actually knowing scum is very small and so would rather not see the thread further de-railed by that idea.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 2
23 hours and 15 minutes left of the day. The week end freeze has ended.


14 players still alive: Barghast, Osseric, Anthras, Kalse, Karatallid, Silanah, Korlat, Thyrllan, Telas, Shadow, Fener, Emurlahn, D'riss, Tulas Shorn.

8 votes to lynch.
7 votes to go to night.

3 votes for D'riss (Fener, Korlat, Tulas Shorn)
1 vote for Anthras (Karatallid)
2 vote for Tulas Shorn (Kalse, Barghast)
2 votes for Korlat (Emurlahn, D'riss)

Players that have yet to vote: Osseric, Anthras, Silanah, Thyrllan, Shadow, Emurlahn, Telas.

.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 22 August 2011 - 06:00 PM

[Tulas Shorn]

Path-Shaper, on 22 August 2011 - 05:08 PM, said:

It is day 2
23 hours and 15 minutes left of the day. The week end freeze has ended.


14 players still alive: Barghast, Osseric, Anthras, Kalse, Karatallid, Silanah, Korlat, Thyrllan, Telas, Shadow, Fener, Emurlahn, D'riss, Tulas Shorn.

8 votes to lynch.
7 votes to go to night.

4 votes for D'riss (Fener, Korlat, Tulas Shorn, D'riss)
1 vote for Anthras (Karatallid)
2 vote for Tulas Shorn (Kalse, Barghast)
1 vote for Korlat (Emurlahn)

Players that have yet to vote: Osseric, Anthras, Silanah, Thyrllan, Shadow, Emurlahn, Telas.

.

FYI D'riss voted for Korlat not himself.