[Barghast]

 Karatallid, on 19 August 2011 - 08:22 AM, said:

Well....at least we had a productive day one i guess.
Lots of info to work with there.


Im not to sure i buy this case on D'riss.
Maybe i just dont understand it ill have another look when i get the chance.

From what I get, it is mostly attendance based and based on them lurking or not making good on their promises to return to thread, which is quite odd considering there is quite a lot more information from day 1.

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Thyr and Fener are making me think that their is probably some Mod induced roles that are forcing them to be as such.

I cant see the UB role being on the town side.
Anyone think its a symp with the ability to silence perhaps?

If so, why would he be allowed to pick the same person twice in a row, and why does Thyr add another layer of weirdness? From the PoV of at the least Fener, this game can't offer much satisfaction. Part of the fun of the Benses games is that for a day, it is fun to be silenced and inventive, and you know it moves on, but I'd firmly classify being silenced and only able to post in pictures the entire game a NPE, especially for those of us who game from their phones.

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As far as yesterday goes i didn't like the people that seemed to doubt Osserics claim.
Its definitely something to look into.
I get the feeling they could be scum trying to get us to lynch him in order to take the burden off of them actually going for him themselves.
I would bet that at least one of the guys who are sowing doubt about his claim is scum in one way or another.

Shadow's reaction was rather ambiguous, and I think someone also voted him after the reveal? However, judging from past experience, I'd say that Osseric is going to be left alone by scum as an early reveal followed by a more or less free ride for the next few days is going to lead to controversy later on.

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Afterall its just crazy for a scum player to claim a role on day one, one counter and you are gone!
Yet we still have people willing to vote him off?
I dunno....

guards are usually solitary creatures and their use is very limited early on. To compensate, there might be two, especially if there is no healer, for example. To counterclaim as another guard also means that if you do the math, it means it could potentially see us without guards at the end of night 1 when we started day 1 with 2.

To insert some speculation on role division:

scum is going to be M&P standard, I guess.

2 killers
1 symp

3 town roles, one of them likely a finder.

The 2 poor suckers with post restrictions are there to hamper town and compensate for there being only 3 scum in total when there might be 4 based on common math, which means that I automatically PI Fener and Thyr, which is of course very dangerous and based on nothing, but imho, it might be worth considering.

The reason for doing this: even if fener or Thyr is the Ben and is scum and did this to seem inno by hampering themselves day 1, why maintain it when passing it on can silence someone who is leading town or asking decent questions? As I said above, it is not exactly the most fun playing experience.

[Osseric]

These were the type of scenes that made me want to play mafia, i really enjoyed them. I just realised this after reading through the night scene.

[Thyrllan]

DANCE! DANCE WITH JOY FOR IT IS THYRLLAN!

Thyrllan returns from his slumber to find questions regarding his usefulness to team inno. Thyrllan is astonished, dismayed, and disappointed. Thyrllan hampers not the penguin efforts to escape this hell hole! Thyrllan has given you a lynch train! Thyrllan has given you many useful, various, and varied opinions. It is not the fault of Thyrllan if the generation of today has not the patience to sit throught Thyrllan's generous wisdom.

Thyrllan himself has indeed examined the lynch train. Thyrllan believes with appalling penguin conviction that Osseric and Karatallid voted for Galain out of the cowardly but honest motive of pure self-preservation. Therefore, Thyrllan suspects most the middle order of voters - hated bastard imitator Telas, Anthras, Emurlahn, Kalse and Shadow. Within these Thyrllan knows that we will find horrible evil.

Thyrllan also has a suspect out of those who didn't vote. Who, Thyrllan asks, constantly chips in with the odd opinion, the odd questioning remark or vague accusation, the half-arsed case? Who, Thyrllan asks, is never here when the pressure builds, when real decisions have to be made? TULAS SHORN. Who has asked for Fener to reveal if he has a role, in the idiotic way that Osseric did? TULAS SHORN. Who pretends to make fateful decisions which they know they can take back with the penguin excuse of not having read through the entire thread when they made their decision? TULAS SHORN.

Thyrllan sagaciously suggests that Tulas Shorn needs to be examined, his posts unpacked, his manner penguin analysed. Thoroughly.

[Osseric]

 Anthras, on 19 August 2011 - 01:41 AM, said:

Well, Galain and Sorrit as inno's. Not much to go with, the best thing we can hope for is that one of them was a symp, yet both were quite silent and low-posting to say the least, which beats the purpose of the role. So, operating under WCS, both of these were team town, and team scum is fully operational.

Onwards, then.
I've edited parts of PS latest time/vote count post with correct numbers/names (I believe I got them right here, if not, someone say something)

 Path-Shaper, on 18 August 2011 - 09:13 PM, said:

It's day 1.

There's 35 minutes left of the day.


Players still alive: Barghast, Sorrit, Osseric, Anthras, Kalse, Karatallid, Silanah, Korlat, Thyrllan, Telas, Shadow, Galain, Fener, Emurlahn, D'riss, Tulas Shorn.

9 votes to lynch.
8 votes to go to night.

8 votes for Galain ( Thyrllan, Osseric, Karatallid, Telas, Anthras, Emurlahn, Kalse, Shadow)
1 vote for Osseric (Galain)
1 vote for Fener (Sorrit)
1 votes for Karatallid ( D'riss)
1 vote for D'riss (Fener)

Players that have yet to vote: Barghast, Silanah, Tulas Shorn, Korlat

Now, semi ignoring Galains vote still on Osseric, and Sorrit's vote still on Fener since either of them failed to report in, in time to explain - We're left with Galains lynch train AND the people who had yet to vote.

Examining that train, and with the current knowledge of Galain being inno, I'm inclined to believe that there is at least ONE, possibly two scums riding it. Separating those involved into two teams, one before my vote, and one after my vote, my scum radar says that one among the Emur/Kalse/Shadow group is possibly scum. Out of the first group, Thyrllan for his annoying posts would get the short end of the stick.

And now let's look at something interesting, regarding that fact.
Bear with me, I do hate multiquoting, but it's essential here.

 Korlat, on 18 August 2011 - 05:23 PM, said:

Would the counter claim even be that informative? is there a reason we can't have 2 guards

 Kalse, on 18 August 2011 - 09:01 PM, said:

remove vote
Vote Galain
As he seems the only viable lynch, and I'd rather lynch than not.

 Kalse, on 18 August 2011 - 09:02 PM, said:

If possible, it'd be nice to leave it as long as we can to give him a chance to give his thoughts (more importantly on the off chance he's a guard).

 Korlat, on 18 August 2011 - 09:07 PM, said:

We have 7 and me and tulas should be around at least to add the last 2, but i agree with kalse on waiting till he says something if we can.
Remove Vote

So, Korlat who has been anything but vocable, who was questioning even if there's any use to wait for a counter-reveal , who hasn't gathered any attention or made any noticeable posts - suddenly goes on with Kalse's reasoning. And what's more interesting is that Korlat 'hopes' they might magically appear in the last 30 minutes before the lynch takes place. Pay attention to the timespan between the last posts (mere minutes) which means both were active and lurking, waiting to see. Scum are active very close to lynch time, waiting to see if they need to change provis and send PMs for night actions.
Also, they fit the profile of a paired killer combo :: One vocal, active and participating, the other riding low, and waiting.
What's more, is the fact that Korlat didn't actually hammer Galain. Scum hate to hammer , unless it's used as a distancing tool to seal the deal and lynch one of their own, in order to save their own skin. And Korlat's vote would place him dangerously close to Kalse's vote, in that train. They even knew people were around and willing to vote.

If a tentacle came out, right about now and said 'This game has a paired killer combo, pick two or die' , then I would go for these two atm.



And since I'm talking about posting times, here's more food for thought :::

 D, on 18 August 2011 - 06:01 PM, said:

i'm back. Should be here until lynch time. Looks like I have a lot of catching up to do. brb

D'riss stating he's back, and that he will be here until lynch time. Alright.

 D, on 18 August 2011 - 07:21 PM, said:

Well, i am off to lunch.
i'll be back before lynch. I would prefer to lynch Kara to test my theory, but I would be willing to lynch Galain. imo a galain lynch doesn't give us as much info. i'll be back in an hr or 2

D'riss saying he's off to lunch, but he'll be back before lynch. Now, that had to be a mighty lunch cause it lasted 2.5h or so.

 D, on 18 August 2011 - 09:48 PM, said:

After all that, inno.

Wow, quite a pile on. thought my vote might be necessary but i guess not as people were crawling out of the woodwork.

won't say much till night is over, but at the least we have a decent train to go off.

And D'riss finally posting - after the lynch...
Notice the underlying part.
If you thought your vote would be necessary, then that means you would take precautions to be here, and available to actually.... vote.
So, you were lurking. Ok, no big deal there.
But if you were lurking in order to vote, why didn't you say you were back earlier, and why did you not comment on anything at all, while you were here?

This is such a good post. It makes me want to go ahead and vote for Korlat, i'd prefer to keep the more vocal player around but if Korlat came up scum then Kalse could follow.

[Karatallid]

 Barghast, on 19 August 2011 - 09:18 AM, said:

 Karatallid, on 19 August 2011 - 08:22 AM, said:

Well....at least we had a productive day one i guess.
Lots of info to work with there.


Im not to sure i buy this case on D'riss.
Maybe i just dont understand it ill have another look when i get the chance.

From what I get, it is mostly attendance based and based on them lurking or not making good on their promises to return to thread, which is quite odd considering there is quite a lot more information from day 1.

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Thyr and Fener are making me think that their is probably some Mod induced roles that are forcing them to be as such.

I cant see the UB role being on the town side.
Anyone think its a symp with the ability to silence perhaps?

If so, why would he be allowed to pick the same person twice in a row, and why does Thyr add another layer of weirdness? From the PoV of at the least Fener, this game can't offer much satisfaction. Part of the fun of the Benses games is that for a day, it is fun to be silenced and inventive, and you know it moves on, but I'd firmly classify being silenced and only able to post in pictures the entire game a NPE, especially for those of us who game from their phones.

Look...im just trying to come up with some sort of idea over here as to what is going on.
I dont see scum doing this on purpose.
I dont see Town doing this on purpose.
So the logical step would be that he is being forced.
Is it a shit silenced role?...maybe...
Is it a night action ala UBen?..maybe
Is it fucked up?...well yes.
Maybe this UB is different and can pick someone twice in a row?
Who knows?

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As far as yesterday goes i didn't like the people that seemed to doubt Osserics claim.
Its definitely something to look into.
I get the feeling they could be scum trying to get us to lynch him in order to take the burden off of them actually going for him themselves.
I would bet that at least one of the guys who are sowing doubt about his claim is scum in one way or another.

Shadow's reaction was rather ambiguous, and I think someone also voted him after the reveal? However, judging from past experience, I'd say that Osseric is going to be left alone by scum as an early reveal followed by a more or less free ride for the next few days is going to lead to controversy later on.

Since a guard is relatively useless early on and pretty much only good for blocking his own healer...yea...i dont see him getting NK's anytime soon. But i was refering to the guys that wanted to lynch him and are trying to sow doubt.
Could be they are scum who would rather lynch him than waste a NK and possible heal block on him.
Thats all im saying.

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Afterall its just crazy for a scum player to claim a role on day one, one counter and you are gone!
Yet we still have people willing to vote him off?
I dunno....

guards are usually solitary creatures and their use is very limited early on. To compensate, there might be two, especially if there is no healer, for example. To counterclaim as another guard also means that if you do the math, it means it could potentially see us without guards at the end of night 1 when we started day 1 with 2.

Thats besides the point.
The point is that scum wont FAKE it.
Its too risky.
A counter claim will result in them both being lynched no matter how much they cry that there might be two guards.
So i dont see how people can doubt it.
So people like shadow are on my radar as a result.

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To insert some speculation on role division:

scum is going to be M&P standard, I guess.

2 killers
1 symp

3 town roles, one of them likely a finder.

The 2 poor suckers with post restrictions are there to hamper town and compensate for there being only 3 scum in total when there might be 4 based on common math, which means that I automatically PI Fener and Thyr, which is of course very dangerous and based on nothing, but imho, it might be worth considering.

The reason for doing this: even if fener or Thyr is the Ben and is scum and did this to seem inno by hampering themselves day 1, why maintain it when passing it on can silence someone who is leading town or asking decent questions? As I said above, it is not exactly the most fun playing experience.

I actually agree that these weird "roles" could be put in to offset a weak scum team.
But its a bit of a dick move.
something Morgoth would do though.

[Anthras]

 Osseric, on 19 August 2011 - 09:40 AM, said:

These were the type of scenes that made me want to play mafia, i really enjoyed them. I just realised this after reading through the night scene.

You enjoy Cthulhu scenery?!?
Finally you have gone insane.
Later on, if we get the time, I'll tell you how my last 'Call of Cthulhu' character died. Poor fellow by the name of Omar Tariff, an Egyptian Cab driver.

 Thyrllan, on 19 August 2011 - 09:49 AM, said:

DANCE! DANCE WITH JOY FOR IT IS THYRLLAN!

Thyrllan returns from his slumber to find questions regarding his usefulness to team inno. Thyrllan is astonished, dismayed, and disappointed. Thyrllan hampers not the penguin efforts to escape this hell hole! Thyrllan has given you a lynch train! Thyrllan has given you many useful, various, and varied opinions. It is not the fault of Thyrllan if the generation of today has not the patience to sit throught Thyrllan's generous wisdom.

Thyrllan himself has indeed examined the lynch train. Thyrllan believes with appalling penguin conviction that Osseric and Karatallid voted for Galain out of the cowardly but honest motive of pure self-preservation. Therefore, Thyrllan suspects most the middle order of voters - hated bastard imitator Telas, Anthras, Emurlahn, Kalse and Shadow. Within these Thyrllan knows that we will find horrible evil.

Thyrllan also has a suspect out of those who didn't vote. Who, Thyrllan asks, constantly chips in with the odd opinion, the odd questioning remark or vague accusation, the half-arsed case? Who, Thyrllan asks, is never here when the pressure builds, when real decisions have to be made? TULAS SHORN. Who has asked for Fener to reveal if he has a role, in the idiotic way that Osseric did? TULAS SHORN. Who pretends to make fateful decisions which they know they can take back with the penguin excuse of not having read through the entire thread when they made their decision? TULAS SHORN.

Thyrllan sagaciously suggests that Tulas Shorn needs to be examined, his posts unpacked, his manner penguin analysed. Thoroughly.

You do realize, you brainless third-person talking baboon, that all you do is keep having a hard-on for TS, much like Fener is doing for D'riss.
I'm not saying you don't have any points, but you're just voicing stuff that I want to believe are in the back of everybodys head.
And again, you're just stating the obvious. There's one scum in Galain's train.
Whoopdy fucking doo.
Keep your posting manners if you can, but can you try to point some fingers more accurately?
Vaguely saying "There's a scum among that group of 7 people" isn't exactly helping what so ever.

[Thyrllan]

 Anthras, on 19 August 2011 - 10:14 AM, said:

 Osseric, on 19 August 2011 - 09:40 AM, said:

These were the type of scenes that made me want to play mafia, i really enjoyed them. I just realised this after reading through the night scene.

You enjoy Cthulhu scenery?!?
Finally you have gone insane.
Later on, if we get the time, I'll tell you how my last 'Call of Cthulhu' character died. Poor fellow by the name of Omar Tariff, an Egyptian Cab driver.

 Thyrllan, on 19 August 2011 - 09:49 AM, said:

DANCE! DANCE WITH JOY FOR IT IS THYRLLAN!

Thyrllan returns from his slumber to find questions regarding his usefulness to team inno. Thyrllan is astonished, dismayed, and disappointed. Thyrllan hampers not the penguin efforts to escape this hell hole! Thyrllan has given you a lynch train! Thyrllan has given you many useful, various, and varied opinions. It is not the fault of Thyrllan if the generation of today has not the patience to sit throught Thyrllan's generous wisdom.

Thyrllan himself has indeed examined the lynch train. Thyrllan believes with appalling penguin conviction that Osseric and Karatallid voted for Galain out of the cowardly but honest motive of pure self-preservation. Therefore, Thyrllan suspects most the middle order of voters - hated bastard imitator Telas, Anthras, Emurlahn, Kalse and Shadow. Within these Thyrllan knows that we will find horrible evil.

Thyrllan also has a suspect out of those who didn't vote. Who, Thyrllan asks, constantly chips in with the odd opinion, the odd questioning remark or vague accusation, the half-arsed case? Who, Thyrllan asks, is never here when the pressure builds, when real decisions have to be made? TULAS SHORN. Who has asked for Fener to reveal if he has a role, in the idiotic way that Osseric did? TULAS SHORN. Who pretends to make fateful decisions which they know they can take back with the penguin excuse of not having read through the entire thread when they made their decision? TULAS SHORN.

Thyrllan sagaciously suggests that Tulas Shorn needs to be examined, his posts unpacked, his manner penguin analysed. Thoroughly.

You do realize, you brainless third-person talking baboon, that all you do is keep having a hard-on for TS, much like Fener is doing for D'riss.
I'm not saying you don't have any points, but you're just voicing stuff that I want to believe are in the back of everybodys head.
And again, you're just stating the obvious. There's one scum in Galain's train.
Whoopdy fucking doo.
Keep your posting manners if you can, but can you try to point some fingers more accurately?
Vaguely saying "There's a scum among that group of 7 people" isn't exactly helping what so ever.

Thyrllan is of the correct opinion that Anthras is exagerrating out of blind panic of unknown origin. Anthras says that Thyrllan is stating things that Anthras believes everyone is thinking anyway, but what does Anthras want us to penguin do? Perhaps Anthras wants us all to keep silent and not post what they think, because other people might be thinking it alread too? Thyrllan would like to express sarcasm by saying that would be an excellent idea, because then we could avoid all that useful collaboration corroboration of ideas and opinions. Let us all simply keep silent and not point out where we stand so that the scum can have easy pickings amongst a disunited and uncertain mob of innos. But perhaps that is what Anthras wants.

Thyrllan would moreover like to assiduously point out that Thyrllan has named five people from the lynch train. That is five people out of fourteen players which Thyrllan suggests that we look at more closely. Thyrllan modestly suggests that that is alread a major cut in the number of suspects. Whereas to cut it down to just one penguin suspect so soon at this stage of the game would be foolish and blinkered. Is Anthras foolish and blinkered? But perhaps Thyrllan should reserve his judgement on this, as no doubt Anthras believes that other people are already thinking this anyway.

[Osseric]

My feelings are mixed at the moment. Reading through the thread i'd excuse Thryllan and Fener at the moment. I may even go for one of the ones they are fingering, well maybe not Thryllan seem as he started the Galain train. I may go ahead and vote D'riss but Anthras does raise a better case against Kalse and Korlat being paired. Out of the two Kalse has been more vocal and quiet good at analysing the game early on, yet someone did point out that he is looking for potential symps rather than scummy play.

[Karatallid]

 Thyrllan, on 19 August 2011 - 10:26 AM, said:

 Anthras, on 19 August 2011 - 10:14 AM, said:

 Osseric, on 19 August 2011 - 09:40 AM, said:

These were the type of scenes that made me want to play mafia, i really enjoyed them. I just realised this after reading through the night scene.

You enjoy Cthulhu scenery?!?
Finally you have gone insane.
Later on, if we get the time, I'll tell you how my last 'Call of Cthulhu' character died. Poor fellow by the name of Omar Tariff, an Egyptian Cab driver.

 Thyrllan, on 19 August 2011 - 09:49 AM, said:

DANCE! DANCE WITH JOY FOR IT IS THYRLLAN!

Thyrllan returns from his slumber to find questions regarding his usefulness to team inno. Thyrllan is astonished, dismayed, and disappointed. Thyrllan hampers not the penguin efforts to escape this hell hole! Thyrllan has given you a lynch train! Thyrllan has given you many useful, various, and varied opinions. It is not the fault of Thyrllan if the generation of today has not the patience to sit throught Thyrllan's generous wisdom.

Thyrllan himself has indeed examined the lynch train. Thyrllan believes with appalling penguin conviction that Osseric and Karatallid voted for Galain out of the cowardly but honest motive of pure self-preservation. Therefore, Thyrllan suspects most the middle order of voters - hated bastard imitator Telas, Anthras, Emurlahn, Kalse and Shadow. Within these Thyrllan knows that we will find horrible evil.

Thyrllan also has a suspect out of those who didn't vote. Who, Thyrllan asks, constantly chips in with the odd opinion, the odd questioning remark or vague accusation, the half-arsed case? Who, Thyrllan asks, is never here when the pressure builds, when real decisions have to be made? TULAS SHORN. Who has asked for Fener to reveal if he has a role, in the idiotic way that Osseric did? TULAS SHORN. Who pretends to make fateful decisions which they know they can take back with the penguin excuse of not having read through the entire thread when they made their decision? TULAS SHORN.

Thyrllan sagaciously suggests that Tulas Shorn needs to be examined, his posts unpacked, his manner penguin analysed. Thoroughly.

You do realize, you brainless third-person talking baboon, that all you do is keep having a hard-on for TS, much like Fener is doing for D'riss.
I'm not saying you don't have any points, but you're just voicing stuff that I want to believe are in the back of everybodys head.
And again, you're just stating the obvious. There's one scum in Galain's train.
Whoopdy fucking doo.
Keep your posting manners if you can, but can you try to point some fingers more accurately?
Vaguely saying "There's a scum among that group of 7 people" isn't exactly helping what so ever.

Thyrllan is of the correct opinion that Anthras is exagerrating out of blind panic of unknown origin. Anthras says that Thyrllan is stating things that Anthras believes everyone is thinking anyway, but what does Anthras want us to penguin do? Perhaps Anthras wants us all to keep silent and not post what they think, because other people might be thinking it alread too? Thyrllan would like to express sarcasm by saying that would be an excellent idea, because then we could avoid all that useful collaboration corroboration of ideas and opinions. Let us all simply keep silent and not point out where we stand so that the scum can have easy pickings amongst a disunited and uncertain mob of innos. But perhaps that is what Anthras wants.

Thyrllan would moreover like to assiduously point out that Thyrllan has named five people from the lynch train. That is five people out of fourteen players which Thyrllan suggests that we look at more closely. Thyrllan modestly suggests that that is alread a major cut in the number of suspects. Whereas to cut it down to just one penguin suspect so soon at this stage of the game would be foolish and blinkered. Is Anthras foolish and blinkered? But perhaps Thyrllan should reserve his judgement on this, as no doubt Anthras believes that other people are already thinking this anyway.

Well said.

I was also thinking Athras was being a bit needlessly harsh.
What you said made perfect sense and Anthras bashed it like he was the goddamn paterfamilias of mafia.

[Anthras]

 Karatallid, on 19 August 2011 - 10:43 AM, said:

Well said.

I was also thinking Athras was being a bit needlessly harsh.
What you said made perfect sense and Anthras bashed it like he was the goddamn paterfamilias of mafia.

Respect da familia, capisce??

I was merely making a statement. If he's forced into that weird position , and he's town - then by all means he can keep that annoying posting persona of his, but at the very least try to be a little more helpful towards team town.
So he named 5 people out of the 14. Big deal. Mammals can do that.
Why not put them into a ranking order, according to his own assessment? Even going on based on gut feeling. Simply state who among them gives him the highest vibes.
Stating names and all is good, yet how will you get to decide which among these you want to apply pressure on, today?
I tried smelling my fingernails but it wasn't helpful.

Also, I have an inherent mistrust towards people who stay on the outlines, simply pointing fingers. He might get our attention if he takes a more decisive stance, towards Tulas Shorn for example. He points a finger, tries to make a case, then states something like this ::

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Thyrllan sagaciously suggests that Tulas Shorn needs to be examined, his posts unpacked, his manner penguin analysed. Thoroughly.

It's as if he's trying to initiate a case, but wants others to dig deeper into it. That's dangerous play, if you ask me. Because people might be slightly suspicious of the subject in question, and even if they find something, it's gonna get imprinted into their heads that -they- found something, instead of someone else semi-leading them down that road.
So why does he not DO that himself? Prodding us left and right - I hate that. People who do that give me scum vibes left and right.

Never the less. You get the drift.
Stay annoying all you want - but give us something more cohesive to work with, at the very least, and we could possibly tolerate your presence around here a while longer.


Look at Fener at the moment. The whole picture-posting was funny for day 1 - But how will it benefit him (or team town if he's town) if he has to keep this up until the end of the game? People will start to ignore his posts (if they haven't already) and it's gonna happen to Thyrllans posts as well, eventually. So if you are really team town, and simply forced to play in that way (regardless how sadistic that might be) , don't forget to get your act straight at some point down the road. It's a team effort to win this game, so help team town win it.

[Osseric]

you know what, Fener could be the symp, PS did say this was standard M&P so why are we keeping Fener around? Let's see his cf and if it is inno then that's just unlucky for him. It is confusing me and like you just mentioned, Anthras, I have been ignoring his posts. Either we vote him or we go along and vote with him.

[Karatallid]

 Anthras, on 19 August 2011 - 11:43 AM, said:

 Karatallid, on 19 August 2011 - 10:43 AM, said:

Well said.

I was also thinking Athras was being a bit needlessly harsh.
What you said made perfect sense and Anthras bashed it like he was the goddamn paterfamilias of mafia.

Respect da familia, capisce??

I was merely making a statement. If he's forced into that weird position , and he's town - then by all means he can keep that annoying posting persona of his, but at the very least try to be a little more helpful towards team town.
So he named 5 people out of the 14. Big deal. Mammals can do that.
Why not put them into a ranking order, according to his own assessment? Even going on based on gut feeling. Simply state who among them gives him the highest vibes.
Stating names and all is good, yet how will you get to decide which among these you want to apply pressure on, today?
I tried smelling my fingernails but it wasn't helpful.

Also, I have an inherent mistrust towards people who stay on the outlines, simply pointing fingers. He might get our attention if he takes a more decisive stance, towards Tulas Shorn for example. He points a finger, tries to make a case, then states something like this ::

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Thyrllan sagaciously suggests that Tulas Shorn needs to be examined, his posts unpacked, his manner penguin analysed. Thoroughly.

It's as if he's trying to initiate a case, but wants others to dig deeper into it. That's dangerous play, if you ask me. Because people might be slightly suspicious of the subject in question, and even if they find something, it's gonna get imprinted into their heads that -they- found something, instead of someone else semi-leading them down that road.
So why does he not DO that himself? Prodding us left and right - I hate that. People who do that give me scum vibes left and right.

Never the less. You get the drift.
Stay annoying all you want - but give us something more cohesive to work with, at the very least, and we could possibly tolerate your presence around here a while longer.

You cant be serious?
So a guy comes on and puts down his five top suspects on thread and maybe a place we all could look at, to maybe get some discussion going and you get all pissed off, like its not good enough?
Who fucking died and made you the head of quality control?

So what if he didnt give you something more "cohesive" to work with?
The fuck do you think you are?
What gives you the right to come on and start calling people names and slating them simply because they didnt do enough to suit YOU?

Seems to me that maybe you are trying to be a dick on purpose?

If i name my top 5 suspects here are you going to start calling me names and criticizing my play too?
Thyr has actually made more sense in his weird posts than some people (you for one) have this entire game.

Paterfamilias wannabe joker you are!

 Anthras, on 19 August 2011 - 11:43 AM, said:

Look at Fener at the moment. The whole picture-posting was funny for day 1 - But how will it benefit him (or team town if he's town) if he has to keep this up until the end of the game? People will start to ignore his posts (if they haven't already) and it's gonna happen to Thyrllans posts as well, eventually. So if you are really team town, and simply forced to play in that way (regardless how sadistic that might be) , don't forget to get your act straight at some point down the road. It's a team effort to win this game, so help team town win it.

What the fuck are you on about?

If these two are forced to play the way they are..then they are certainly to my eyes at least playing to the best of their abilities?

You sound like you expect these two to whip up some bullet proof cases for you you in a jiffy!




Do you think they are faking it?...






edit - terrible grammar

This post has been edited by Karatallid: 19 August 2011 - 12:27 PM

[Anthras]

 Karatallid, on 19 August 2011 - 12:24 PM, said:

 Anthras, on 19 August 2011 - 11:43 AM, said:

 Karatallid, on 19 August 2011 - 10:43 AM, said:

Well said.

I was also thinking Athras was being a bit needlessly harsh.
What you said made perfect sense and Anthras bashed it like he was the goddamn paterfamilias of mafia.

Respect da familia, capisce??

I was merely making a statement. If he's forced into that weird position , and he's town - then by all means he can keep that annoying posting persona of his, but at the very least try to be a little more helpful towards team town.
So he named 5 people out of the 14. Big deal. Mammals can do that.
Why not put them into a ranking order, according to his own assessment? Even going on based on gut feeling. Simply state who among them gives him the highest vibes.
Stating names and all is good, yet how will you get to decide which among these you want to apply pressure on, today?
I tried smelling my fingernails but it wasn't helpful.

Also, I have an inherent mistrust towards people who stay on the outlines, simply pointing fingers. He might get our attention if he takes a more decisive stance, towards Tulas Shorn for example. He points a finger, tries to make a case, then states something like this ::

Quote

Thyrllan sagaciously suggests that Tulas Shorn needs to be examined, his posts unpacked, his manner penguin analysed. Thoroughly.

It's as if he's trying to initiate a case, but wants others to dig deeper into it. That's dangerous play, if you ask me. Because people might be slightly suspicious of the subject in question, and even if they find something, it's gonna get imprinted into their heads that -they- found something, instead of someone else semi-leading them down that road.
So why does he not DO that himself? Prodding us left and right - I hate that. People who do that give me scum vibes left and right.

Never the less. You get the drift.
Stay annoying all you want - but give us something more cohesive to work with, at the very least, and we could possibly tolerate your presence around here a while longer.

You cant be serious?
So a guy comes on and puts down his five top suspects on thread and maybe a place we all could look at, to maybe get some discussion going and you get all pissed off, like its not good enough?
Who fucking died and made you the head of quality control?

So what if he didnt give you something more "cohesive" to work with?
The fuck do you think you are?
What gives you the right to come on and start calling people names and slating them simply because they didnt do enough to suit YOU?

Seems to me that maybe you are trying to be a dick on purpose?

If i name my top 5 suspects here are you going to start calling me names and criticizing my play too?
Thyr has actually made more sense in his weird posts than some people (you for one) have this entire game.

Paterfamilias wannabe joker you are!

 Anthras, on 19 August 2011 - 11:43 AM, said:

Look at Fener at the moment. The whole picture-posting was funny for day 1 - But how will it benefit him (or team town if he's town) if he has to keep this up until the end of the game? People will start to ignore his posts (if they haven't already) and it's gonna happen to Thyrllans posts as well, eventually. So if you are really team town, and simply forced to play in that way (regardless how sadistic that might be) , don't forget to get your act straight at some point down the road. It's a team effort to win this game, so help team town win it.

What the fuck are you on about?

If these two are forced to play the way they are..then they are certainly to my eyes at least playing to the best of their abilities?

You sound like you expect these two to whip up some bullet proof cases for you you in a jiffy!




Do you think they are faking it?...






edit - terrible grammar

Ohhh, a pissing contest. Exactly what was missing from this thread.

I'm dead serious, sparky.
Wanna have a go at it?

For someone who was pissed on day 1 because you were set up due to someone elses actions, and caught in the middle - you sure go out of your way to defend Thyrllan right now, and drawing attention towards him for this exact same reason.
What am I on about? What the hell are you smoking?
The guy gave us five names, out of a day 1 lynch train. A place where EVERYONE who is currently playing in this game and is part of team town will be looking into it (if they have a sane head on their shoulders) without needing someone else to mention it before hand. And I'm supposed to thank him for playing 'Captain Obvious'? Fuck you, too

He points his finger towards Tulas Shorn (who can burn in hell for all I care cause he might be a scum indeed) but then goes on how Tulas Shorn's posts need to be looked into 'thoroughly' ? What the hell? Why not do it yourself in the first place, amigo? Let others stick their hands into the snake hole?

And I have every right to tear apart into any post I feel like, if I feel the need to, or if I see reasons enough. I certainly ain't gonna ask YOU for any permission, whatsoever, sparky.
If it's on the thread, it's fair game.
Much like my posts, and much like your current stance towards me.
Did I insult your offspring or something?
Pot.
Kettle.


Look at you...

Quote

If i name my top 5 suspects here are you going to start calling me names and criticizing my play too?

Do you really want an answer to that?

[Thyrllan]

 Thyrllan, on 19 August 2011 - 09:49 AM, said:

Thyrllan also has a suspect out of those who didn't vote. Who, Thyrllan asks, constantly chips in with the odd opinion, the odd questioning remark or vague accusation, the half-arsed case? Who, Thyrllan asks, is never here when the pressure builds, when real decisions have to be made? TULAS SHORN. Who has asked for Fener to reveal if he has a role, in the idiotic way that Osseric did? TULAS SHORN. Who pretends to make fateful decisions which they know they can take back with the penguin excuse of not having read through the entire thread when they made their decision? TULAS SHORN.

Thyrllan wishes to bring to the attention of smouldering, excitable penguin Anthras that Thyrllan did indeed say more than 'let's look at Tulas Shorn.' Above, Thyrllan already gave you two specific reasons for why Thyrllan suspects Tulas Shorn, as well as commentary on Tulas Shorn's general play style. Thyrllan then asked for others to also look into it to see if they penguin agree or can come up with anything more, because Thyrllan believes this is a team game.

Thyrllan shall not be sneered at by someone who is as mould to the gleaming star of sunlight that is Thyrllan. Anthras himself said that he finds Tulas Shorn suspicious. So, what then, Thyrllan asks kindly, is Anthras' beef? Thyrllan suspects that Anthras is an attention-seeker due to neglected penguin childhood, and resents Thyrllan for being such a charismatic presence.

[Kalse]

 Anthras, on 19 August 2011 - 07:08 AM, said:

 Kalse, on 19 August 2011 - 02:05 AM, said:

I disagree with the premise that scum are active close to lynch time.

Firstly, this is dictated by peoples playing times.
Secondly, we aren't playing with 0 hour nights, so your reasoning for why they would need to be active is unlikely.
Thirdly, there is a good reason for innos to be more active around that time. I for one hopped back on in case I had to switch from my preferred vote to get a lynch. Scum don't need to be active for this reason since no lynch is usually better for them.

Korlat seems wishy washy, but past that I think your analysis is pretty weak.

Yea, that 12 hour night lasted awfully long. Oh, wait...
Beating around the bush, Kalse. I was mainly focused on Korlat, yet you pop in first, on the defensive. So early, in a 'pretty weak' case, as you said? Which is almost identical to the one you tried to build on Kara in day 1.
Your reaction first to this screams of distancing. Not to mention you didn't bother touching the D'riss subject I covered as well.

You've missed my point.
It doesn't matter how long the night actually was (people had 36hours to submit after all), my point is that with up to 12 hours after lynch there's no reason scum would want to be around at lynch time like there is in a 0 hour night game.

Your complaints are pretty rubbish. Sure I'm going to defend myself. You made a case that was related to me, and the connection seemed tenuous. You also say that I "pop in first". Does it not occur to you that who posts first is coincidental, based on who sees the post first? What would have been the non-scummy thing to do-Oh hey, he's made a case that relates to me and someone else, I'll just hang around until they've posted first...

You are stretching to make every tiny thing into something scummy. Like me not commenting on D'riss. Maybe that's because you addressed it as a question and I wanted to see his reaction, or I didn't have any particular thoughts about it, etc.

My thoughts on your D'riss case are simple. I don't see why scum who had lurked through a lynch would decide to alert us to that fact.

[Kalse]

Also, Anthras has gotten a lot more aggressive than on day one.

[Thyrllan]

Although Thyrllan is not altogether sure of Kalse, he has to agree with Kalse's eloquent penguin summation of Anthras - Anthras does indeed stretch to make every tiny thing into something scummy. Perhaps the paranoia of our Lovecraftian setting has afflicted poor Anthras overmuch penguin.

[Shadow]

 Barghast, on 19 August 2011 - 06:55 AM, said:

Based on Fener talking in pics again and Thyr, who also had a stange posting style, now having a tuxedo fetish, I guess this is a mechanic.
The speech impediments may be caused by us going completely gaga with the horror images of tentacly weirdness we see. If so, Thyrllan's third party references and Fener's picture posts on day 1 may be mod-enforced, and the additions of penguins could well be Thyr going more loony. If so, I quite dislike the mechanic and think it makes the game more than M&P, myself.

If not and this is players acting: it was (not so much) fun for a day, snap out of it.

I think I agree with this. Fener's situation may be a silencer-type effect, if there are day actions. it could also be part of his role. The same applies to the annoying Thyrllan. I hadn't thought about insnity yet, but it does fit. And it is especially appropriate for this Lovecraft setting. I expect we'll see it get worse progressively.

And yes, it reminds Shadow of the effusive verbal wisdom of the Mighty Kruppe

[Karatallid]

 Anthras, on 19 August 2011 - 01:04 PM, said:

Ohhh, a pissing contest. Exactly what was missing from this thread.

I'm dead serious, sparky.
Wanna have a go at it?


For someone who was pissed on day 1 because you were set up due to someone elses actions, and caught in the middle - you sure go out of your way to defend Thyrllan right now, and drawing attention towards him for this exact same reason.

What the fuck has yesterday got to do with you being a absolute COCK today?
Calling people baboons and shit after simply stating their top 5?

You seriously connecting some weird ass shit.
you could probably build a single puzzle with 2 half puzzles the way you just randomly cram shit together.

 Anthras, on 19 August 2011 - 01:04 PM, said:

What am I on about? What the hell are you smoking?
The guy gave us five names, out of a day 1 lynch train. A place where EVERYONE who is currently playing in this game and is part of team town will be looking into it (if they have a sane head on their shoulders) without needing someone else to mention it before hand. And I'm supposed to thank him for playing 'Captain Obvious'? Fuck you, too

So what?
Somebody must step up and state the obvious.
We cant all fucking well stand around and nod at each other with a knowing look in eye now can we?
All you are doing is acting like some sort of self appointed quality control officer.

 Anthras, on 19 August 2011 - 01:04 PM, said:

He points his finger towards Tulas Shorn (who can burn in hell for all I care cause he might be a scum indeed) but then goes on how Tulas Shorn's posts need to be looked into 'thoroughly' ? What the hell? Why not do it yourself in the first place, amigo? Let others stick their hands into the snake hole?

And I have every right to tear apart into any post I feel like, if I feel the need to, or if I see reasons enough. I certainly ain't gonna ask YOU for any permission, whatsoever, sparky.
If it's on the thread, it's fair game.
Much like my posts, and much like your current stance towards me.
Did I insult your offspring or something?
Pot.
Kettle.

How many people have said things that are obvious this game?
But you all of the sudden jump down his throat and call him a baboon to boot?
For what?
He was making his position clear!
Should he wait for people to ask him before he lets people know what he thinks now?
Fucking so much for being pro active?

 Anthras, on 19 August 2011 - 01:04 PM, said:

Look at you...

Quote

If i name my top 5 suspects here are you going to start calling me names and criticizing my play too?

Do you really want an answer to that?

YES!! asswipe! ANSWER IT


You look to me like you are smarting to get rid of fener and Thyr.
It seems to me you are wanting to do it because you see that they are easy pickings and are crippled to defend themselves properly.
So fuck yea, ill step in and have my say.

I dont care call it symping if you must.
Im sure you will...it is easy pickings afterall!


You SIR...have just gone up a big notch in my scumdar.

At first i thought you might just be dense...but i dont know any longer

[Karatallid]

 Kalse, on 19 August 2011 - 01:34 PM, said:

 Anthras, on 19 August 2011 - 07:08 AM, said:

 Kalse, on 19 August 2011 - 02:05 AM, said:

I disagree with the premise that scum are active close to lynch time.

Firstly, this is dictated by peoples playing times.
Secondly, we aren't playing with 0 hour nights, so your reasoning for why they would need to be active is unlikely.
Thirdly, there is a good reason for innos to be more active around that time. I for one hopped back on in case I had to switch from my preferred vote to get a lynch. Scum don't need to be active for this reason since no lynch is usually better for them.

Korlat seems wishy washy, but past that I think your analysis is pretty weak.

Yea, that 12 hour night lasted awfully long. Oh, wait...
Beating around the bush, Kalse. I was mainly focused on Korlat, yet you pop in first, on the defensive. So early, in a 'pretty weak' case, as you said? Which is almost identical to the one you tried to build on Kara in day 1.
Your reaction first to this screams of distancing. Not to mention you didn't bother touching the D'riss subject I covered as well.

You've missed my point.
It doesn't matter how long the night actually was (people had 36hours to submit after all), my point is that with up to 12 hours after lynch there's no reason scum would want to be around at lynch time like there is in a 0 hour night game.

Your complaints are pretty rubbish. Sure I'm going to defend myself. You made a case that was related to me, and the connection seemed tenuous. You also say that I "pop in first". Does it not occur to you that who posts first is coincidental, based on who sees the post first? What would have been the non-scummy thing to do-Oh hey, he's made a case that relates to me and someone else, I'll just hang around until they've posted first...

You are stretching to make every tiny thing into something scummy. Like me not commenting on D'riss. Maybe that's because you addressed it as a question and I wanted to see his reaction, or I didn't have any particular thoughts about it, etc.

My thoughts on your D'riss case are simple. I don't see why scum who had lurked through a lynch would decide to alert us to that fact.

THIS!


im thinking this joker is a symp and is just trying to throw shit at everything he sees.

Also think he feels fener and Thyr are easy picking and worth it to bash on.

looking scummy to me