[Fener]

[Kalse]

And fener is still speaking in pictures.

Which strikes me as odd given that silencer roles, as I remember, usually can't target the same person twice in a row.

This, coupled with the fact that silencer roles aren't exactly meat and potatoes, makes me somewhat tempted to vote fener(thyr is in the same boat).

[Thyrllan]

Even Thyrllan must give in to the time of dreams at some point, but before he goes he will impart one more penguin piece of wise wisdom for his erstwhile companions.

Thyrllan believes that Fener's silencing is indeed suspicious. However, Thyrllan cannot believe that he is murdering scum, for would murdering scum really make themselves that obvious a target? Thyrllan believes that Fener might be a symp at worst, attempting to distract attention from the killers. In which case, Fener's attempts to warn us of the scumminess of D'riss may be trying to point us in the wrong penguin direction. Unless Fener is playing a cunning double-bluff game worthy of Thyrllan himself, in which D'riss is scum, and Fener knows, but is distracting us from it by pointing it out.

That sounds idiotic, but then that was the reasoning given for the beginning of the lynch train on Karatallid, was it not? Oh wait, Thyrllan suspects that that was idiotic too.

Furthermore, Thyrllan believes that he has given his inn-mates (hah, too clever a jest, Thyrllan!) a worthy lynch train to investigate, and investigations should penguin commence at once. Thyrllan's initial vote for Galain was based on absolutely nothing at all, as Thyrllan himself pointed out more than once, and yet the sheeple jumped like there was no tomorrow. Thyrllan graciously suggests that the sheeple hide a wolf or two amongst them.

This post has been edited by Thyrllan: 19 August 2011 - 01:20 AM

[Silanah]

Kalse, on 19 August 2011 - 12:38 AM, said:

And fener is still speaking in pictures.

Which strikes me as odd given that silencer roles, as I remember, usually can't target the same person twice in a row.

This, coupled with the fact that silencer roles aren't exactly meat and potatoes, makes me somewhat tempted to vote fener(thyr is in the same boat).

Boy, I agree. I'm done with the picture nonsense from Fener. At least Thyr can make an argument and give opinions; the most we've gotten from Fener is a vote on D'riss. If he's scum, it's a clever way to get people to think you're a victim and look at other lynch targets; if he's town, he can't help us anyway since all he can do is post images. If you can't contribute to the discussion then you can't help town.

[Silanah]

Thyrllan, on 18 August 2011 - 09:55 PM, said:

Thyrllan furthermore penguin resents the suggestion that his long-sought vengeance on Galain was motivated by nothing more than drunken horror. Thyrllan consumes penguin all, it is true, but Thyrllan himself is not consumed by drink. Alcohol is penguin burned, sizzled, evaporated away by Thyrllan's blinding touch.

Thyrllan, on 18 August 2011 - 10:55 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 18 August 2011 - 10:49 PM, said:

Fener, on 18 August 2011 - 10:45 PM, said:

VOTE DRISS

Sorry big guy but we need for night to resolve first before we can vote for people. You look like you are accusing D'riss of being scum. Do you have an ability that tells you if he is scum? Or do you suspect him of being scum without any solid evidence?

Thyrllan sagely penguin enquires if Tulas Shorn is really asking for Fener to do an Osseric and reveal a role?!?! Tulas Shorn has shown little wisdom in his time penguin here. Perhaps he has been overawed by the blinding gaze of Thyrllan. Understandable.

And what the fuck is up with the word penguin all over these posts? Is this some weird signalling? In that first post Thyr uses the word "penguin" in every sentence.

[Silanah]

Thyrllan, on 19 August 2011 - 01:18 AM, said:

Even Thyrllan must give in to the time of dreams at some point, but before he goes he will impart one more penguin piece of wise wisdom for his erstwhile companions.

Thyrllan believes that Fener's silencing is indeed suspicious. However, Thyrllan cannot believe that he is murdering scum, for would murdering scum really make themselves that obvious a target? Thyrllan believes that Fener might be a symp at worst, attempting to distract attention from the killers. In which case, Fener's attempts to warn us of the scumminess of D'riss may be trying to point us in the wrong penguin direction. Unless Fener is playing a cunning double-bluff game worthy of Thyrllan himself, in which D'riss is scum, and Fener knows, but is distracting us from it by pointing it out.

That sounds idiotic, but then that was the reasoning given for the beginning of the lynch train on Karatallid, was it not? Oh wait, Thyrllan suspects that that was idiotic too.

Furthermore, Thyrllan believes that he has given his inn-mates (hah, too clever a jest, Thyrllan!) a worthy lynch train to investigate, and investigations should penguin commence at once. Thyrllan's initial vote for Galain was based on absolutely nothing at all, as Thyrllan himself pointed out more than once, and yet the sheeple jumped like there was no tomorrow. Thyrllan graciously suggests that the sheeple hide a wolf or two amongst them.

More weird penguin comments. I do not know what to make of this.

Also, anyone else thinking that Thyr is starting to sound like Kruppe?

[Kalse]

Happy birthday Lish.

Now I feel vaguely guilty.

[Anthras]

Well, Galain and Sorrit as inno's. Not much to go with, the best thing we can hope for is that one of them was a symp, yet both were quite silent and low-posting to say the least, which beats the purpose of the role. So, operating under WCS, both of these were team town, and team scum is fully operational.

Onwards, then.
I've edited parts of PS latest time/vote count post with correct numbers/names (I believe I got them right here, if not, someone say something)

Path-Shaper, on 18 August 2011 - 09:13 PM, said:

It's day 1.

There's 35 minutes left of the day.


Players still alive: Barghast, Sorrit, Osseric, Anthras, Kalse, Karatallid, Silanah, Korlat, Thyrllan, Telas, Shadow, Galain, Fener, Emurlahn, D'riss, Tulas Shorn.

9 votes to lynch.
8 votes to go to night.

8 votes for Galain ( Thyrllan, Osseric, Karatallid, Telas, Anthras, Emurlahn, Kalse, Shadow)
1 vote for Osseric (Galain)
1 vote for Fener (Sorrit)
1 votes for Karatallid ( D'riss)
1 vote for D'riss (Fener)

Players that have yet to vote: Barghast, Silanah, Tulas Shorn, Korlat

Now, semi ignoring Galains vote still on Osseric, and Sorrit's vote still on Fener since either of them failed to report in, in time to explain - We're left with Galains lynch train AND the people who had yet to vote.

Examining that train, and with the current knowledge of Galain being inno, I'm inclined to believe that there is at least ONE, possibly two scums riding it. Separating those involved into two teams, one before my vote, and one after my vote, my scum radar says that one among the Emur/Kalse/Shadow group is possibly scum. Out of the first group, Thyrllan for his annoying posts would get the short end of the stick.

And now let's look at something interesting, regarding that fact.
Bear with me, I do hate multiquoting, but it's essential here.

Korlat, on 18 August 2011 - 05:23 PM, said:

Would the counter claim even be that informative? is there a reason we can't have 2 guards

Kalse, on 18 August 2011 - 09:01 PM, said:

remove vote
Vote Galain
As he seems the only viable lynch, and I'd rather lynch than not.

Kalse, on 18 August 2011 - 09:02 PM, said:

If possible, it'd be nice to leave it as long as we can to give him a chance to give his thoughts (more importantly on the off chance he's a guard).

Korlat, on 18 August 2011 - 09:07 PM, said:

We have 7 and me and tulas should be around at least to add the last 2, but i agree with kalse on waiting till he says something if we can.
Remove Vote

So, Korlat who has been anything but vocable, who was questioning even if there's any use to wait for a counter-reveal , who hasn't gathered any attention or made any noticeable posts - suddenly goes on with Kalse's reasoning. And what's more interesting is that Korlat 'hopes' they might magically appear in the last 30 minutes before the lynch takes place. Pay attention to the timespan between the last posts (mere minutes) which means both were active and lurking, waiting to see. Scum are active very close to lynch time, waiting to see if they need to change provis and send PMs for night actions.
Also, they fit the profile of a paired killer combo :: One vocal, active and participating, the other riding low, and waiting.
What's more, is the fact that Korlat didn't actually hammer Galain. Scum hate to hammer , unless it's used as a distancing tool to seal the deal and lynch one of their own, in order to save their own skin. And Korlat's vote would place him dangerously close to Kalse's vote, in that train. They even knew people were around and willing to vote.

If a tentacle came out, right about now and said 'This game has a paired killer combo, pick two or die' , then I would go for these two atm.



And since I'm talking about posting times, here's more food for thought :::

D, on 18 August 2011 - 06:01 PM, said:

i'm back. Should be here until lynch time. Looks like I have a lot of catching up to do. brb

D'riss stating he's back, and that he will be here until lynch time. Alright.

D, on 18 August 2011 - 07:21 PM, said:

Well, i am off to lunch.
i'll be back before lynch. I would prefer to lynch Kara to test my theory, but I would be willing to lynch Galain. imo a galain lynch doesn't give us as much info. i'll be back in an hr or 2

D'riss saying he's off to lunch, but he'll be back before lynch. Now, that had to be a mighty lunch cause it lasted 2.5h or so.

D, on 18 August 2011 - 09:48 PM, said:

After all that, inno.

Wow, quite a pile on. thought my vote might be necessary but i guess not as people were crawling out of the woodwork.

won't say much till night is over, but at the least we have a decent train to go off.

And D'riss finally posting - after the lynch...
Notice the underlying part.
If you thought your vote would be necessary, then that means you would take precautions to be here, and available to actually.... vote.
So, you were lurking. Ok, no big deal there.
But if you were lurking in order to vote, why didn't you say you were back earlier, and why did you not comment on anything at all, while you were here?

[Fener]

Silanah, on 19 August 2011 - 01:25 AM, said:

Kalse, on 19 August 2011 - 12:38 AM, said:

And fener is still speaking in pictures.

Which strikes me as odd given that silencer roles, as I remember, usually can't target the same person twice in a row.

This, coupled with the fact that silencer roles aren't exactly meat and potatoes, makes me somewhat tempted to vote fener(thyr is in the same boat).

Boy, I agree. I'm done with the picture nonsense from Fener. At least Thyr can make an argument and give opinions; the most we've gotten from Fener is a vote on D'riss. If he's scum, it's a clever way to get people to think you're a victim and look at other lynch targets; if he's town, he can't help us anyway since all he can do is post images. If you can't contribute to the discussion then you can't help town.

[Fener]

Anthras, on 19 August 2011 - 01:41 AM, said:

D'riss

VOTE DRISS

[Kalse]

I disagree with the premise that scum are active close to lynch time.

Firstly, this is dictated by peoples playing times.
Secondly, we aren't playing with 0 hour nights, so your reasoning for why they would need to be active is unlikely.
Thirdly, there is a good reason for innos to be more active around that time. I for one hopped back on in case I had to switch from my preferred vote to get a lynch. Scum don't need to be active for this reason since no lynch is usually better for them.

Korlat seems wishy washy, but past that I think your analysis is pretty weak.

[Korlat]

Anthras, on 19 August 2011 - 01:41 AM, said:

Korlat, on 18 August 2011 - 05:23 PM, said:

Would the counter claim even be that informative? is there a reason we can't have 2 guards

Kalse, on 18 August 2011 - 09:01 PM, said:

remove vote
Vote Galain
As he seems the only viable lynch, and I'd rather lynch than not.

Kalse, on 18 August 2011 - 09:02 PM, said:

If possible, it'd be nice to leave it as long as we can to give him a chance to give his thoughts (more importantly on the off chance he's a guard).

Korlat, on 18 August 2011 - 09:07 PM, said:

We have 7 and me and tulas should be around at least to add the last 2, but i agree with kalse on waiting till he says something if we can.
Remove Vote

So, Korlat who has been anything but vocable, who was questioning even if there's any use to wait for a counter-reveal , who hasn't gathered any attention or made any noticeable posts - suddenly goes on with Kalse's reasoning. And what's more interesting is that Korlat 'hopes' they might magically appear in the last 30 minutes before the lynch takes place. Pay attention to the timespan between the last posts (mere minutes) which means both were active and lurking, waiting to see. Scum are active very close to lynch time, waiting to see if they need to change provis and send PMs for night actions.
Also, they fit the profile of a paired killer combo :: One vocal, active and participating, the other riding low, and waiting.
What's more, is the fact that Korlat didn't actually hammer Galain. Scum hate to hammer , unless it's used as a distancing tool to seal the deal and lynch one of their own, in order to save their own skin. And Korlat's vote would place him dangerously close to Kalse's vote, in that train. They even knew people were around and willing to vote.

I was questioning if it was informative, not the same thing as useless. 30 Minutes isn't gonna hurt anybody we had enough to make the lynch closer to the deadline. If he posted we might have learned something and i don't see why he didn't if he was inno(not in the last few minutes just in general when there was pressure). Potentially not allowed to post? There seem to be some weird posting rules in this one.

Personally i like the i am not allowed to talk but i know who it is idea so i am gonna go with it.

Vote Driss

[Korlat]

And come on you are questioning me because i waited and then because i didn't vote/hammer how are these different.

[Barghast]

Based on Fener talking in pics again and Thyr, who also had a stange posting style, now having a tuxedo fetish, I guess this is a mechanic.
The speech impediments may be caused by us going completely gaga with the horror images of tentacly weirdness we see. If so, Thyrllan's third party references and Fener's picture posts on day 1 may be mod-enforced, and the additions of penguins could well be Thyr going more loony. If so, I quite dislike the mechanic and think it makes the game more than M&P, myself.

If not and this is players acting: it was (not so much) fun for a day, snap out of it.

[Anthras]

Kalse, on 19 August 2011 - 02:05 AM, said:

I disagree with the premise that scum are active close to lynch time.

Firstly, this is dictated by peoples playing times.
Secondly, we aren't playing with 0 hour nights, so your reasoning for why they would need to be active is unlikely.
Thirdly, there is a good reason for innos to be more active around that time. I for one hopped back on in case I had to switch from my preferred vote to get a lynch. Scum don't need to be active for this reason since no lynch is usually better for them.

Korlat seems wishy washy, but past that I think your analysis is pretty weak.

Yea, that 12 hour night lasted awfully long. Oh, wait...
Beating around the bush, Kalse. I was mainly focused on Korlat, yet you pop in first, on the defensive. So early, in a 'pretty weak' case, as you said? Which is almost identical to the one you tried to build on Kara in day 1.
Your reaction first to this screams of distancing. Not to mention you didn't bother touching the D'riss subject I covered as well.

Korlat, on 19 August 2011 - 02:31 AM, said:

And come on you are questioning me because i waited and then because i didn't vote/hammer how are these different.

I question you, because hours ago, you were debating the usefulness of waiting/allowing a counter-reveal (plus you seem more willing to discuss schematics about town roles which is something townies avoid in general)
YET somehow 30 minutes before a lynch takes place, you decide to do so, in a pretty weird fashion that links you with another player (and as if the person about to be lynched would magically appear on thread the last 30 minutes when he hasn't given notice for a long long while)
Apples to oranges.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 2

There's 27 hours and 11 minutes left of the day.


14 players still alive: Barghast, Osseric, Anthras, Kalse, Karatallid, Silanah, Korlat, Thyrllan, Telas, Shadow, Fener, Emurlahn, D'riss, Tulas Shorn.

8 votes to lynch.
7 votes to go to night.

2 votes for D'riss (Fener, Korlat)


Players that have yet to vote: Barghast, Osseric, Anthras, Kalse, Karatallid, Silanah, Thyrllan, Telas, Shadow, Emurlahn, D'riss, Tulas Shorn.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 19 August 2011 - 07:48 AM

[Barghast]

Haven't had your second cup of coffee yet, Morgoth, or is this intentional?

Quote

1 vote for D'riss (Fener, Korlat)

I mean. You're awesome and I wish I could become like you Morgoth. If there was an error it must have been intentional and planned for you are too perfect to make mistakes.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 19 August 2011 - 07:48 AM

[Karatallid]

Well....at least we had a productive day one i guess.
Lots of info to work with there.


Im not to sure i buy this case on D'riss.
Maybe i just dont understand it ill have another look when i get the chance.

Thyr and Fener are making me think that their is probably some Mod induced roles that are forcing them to be as such.

I cant see the UB role being on the town side.
Anyone think its a symp with the ability to silence perhaps?


As far as yesterday goes i didn't like the people that seemed to doubt Osserics claim.
Its definitely something to look into.
I get the feeling they could be scum trying to get us to lynch him in order to take the burden off of them actually going for him themselves.
I would bet that at least one of the guys who are sowing doubt about his claim is scum in one way or another.

Afterall its just crazy for a scum player to claim a role on day one, one counter and you are gone!
Yet we still have people willing to vote him off?
I dunno....

Obviously another good place to look would be the train on Galain.
Maybe if someone falls under both categories it might be a good place to start.

[Osseric]

Anthras, on 18 August 2011 - 08:27 PM, said:

Osseric where the heck are you??

If you're town, revealing, droping a vote, then disappearing doesn't really help - there's still things you can do to help your team win this game.
Especially if you don't expect to survive the night.
WTH.
I really want to lynch that guy now.

Here, catching up. My brother returned from far away and we celebrated his return. 16 months I haven't seen him for, i'll be gone again tonight. i'm up to this up to now so still reading through, just thought it prudent to reply.

[Barghast]

Tulas Shorn, on 18 August 2011 - 10:14 PM, said:

That was fun. I just had a meeting about our company's involuntary severance package. I'm not sure if you can classify getting a severence for losing your job a good thing but for those glass half full types there you go. Yeah!!!!

That sucks big time, sir.