[Anthras]

Osseric, on 18 August 2011 - 11:06 AM, said:

Erratic? I haven't been all over the place at all, just cause I decided to reveal does not mean I have fucked up the thread. Or the game, who put you on a pedestal to decide anything? So you think I was lying? If so then you think it is because i'm a symp? So therefore you'd go for who you think i'm symping? If not, and you think I may have been telling the truth then why would you suggest lynching me? I don't see many town players wanting to lynch another town player. I don't see what you get here. I'd vote for you just for thinking that way.

Muddy the waters? Fener with his pictures and no words in a standard M and P game. And everyone firing accusations everywhere but with nothing sticking, how can the waters get muddied further?

I wasn't and I am still not set on a Kara lynch, and I am not going to self vote.

Which part of <I'd rather lynch you and get over with it, than leave you hanging around, confusing people with your posts and behavior, then having to second guess every step, and keep coming back into this whole reveal-but-not-reveal fiasko> did you not understand?

Right now, I don't really care whether you are town or not. You are the reason of a controversy. And as such, I'd rather not risk having you around, causing another , potentially bigger controversy down the road.

As far as I am concerned, everyone is considered guilty. And it should be such, for all of us. So you claiming town, is just... you claiming town. As would anyone else on this thread do, in an instant. I was simply stating the obvious. The major cause of a fallout should be removed, regardless of the circumstances, unless there's concrete evidence of their innocence.

Dodgy play is just that. Dodgy play. Regardless of faction, is dangerous, and anything considered dangerous has to be dealt with swiftly, lest it is left hanging in there, infesting, like an aneurism full of puss and gory fluids.

[Anthras]

Re-cap , here's what I get so far :::


Barghast:: Butted heads early, couple of reasonable posts down the road, tries to think things over with a cool head. Could be town, could be scum knowing Kara-Osseric are inno's and waiting for others to lead on.

Sorrit:: No help what so ever, other than stating the obvious that Fener avatar should be lynched pronto and without second thinking. Low poster and possible scum laying low.

Osseric:: Guilty of causing controversy, and raising eyebrows when no apparent heat was applied either to himself, or to anyone in question. Townie who got into a major slip up, or possible scum with a higher symping probability than killer one.

Kalse:: Tried to built a case on Kara based on observations about other people's posts and behavior. His train of thought wasn't flawed per se, yet could be good attempt by a scum masking his actions under such pretense while knowing who the townies are.

Karatallid:: Victim of said controversy, and of various symping attempts. His last tantrum could be a townie getting frustrated with the idiocy running abound here, or a last scum resort.

Silanah:: Not much help, either way. Low poster, also skimming the thread which is never good when you are a townie. Possible scum.

Korlat:: No read what so ever, possible scum hiding in the crowd.

Thyrllan:: Annoying third person posts, given some insights, stuck on Galains ass since day 1 and hour 1 (well almost 1). Possible scum

Telas:: Telas tried to link me with Osseric and Tulas early on, which is a dodgy strategy of someone trying to set up following lynches. Regardless of his reason, quite a dangerous play when you try to connect more than two people at a time. Scummy as hell.

Shadow:: Stating the obvious, in small posts. Mid to low poster. Possible scum.

Galain:: Vocal early, who now have gone quiet. Possible scum who caught early attention and trying to ride it low.

Fener:: It's Fener. Nuff said. And posts in pictures, to boot.

Emurlahn:: Not much of a read, other than agreeing with people here and there, late contributor. Possible scum.

D'riss:: Early thread skimmer, who tried to pick up later. Gathered some attention, mainly from Telan trying to link him and Tulas with me. Possible scum.

Tulas Shorn:: Accused of symping early, used as a strawman at some arguments. Possible scum.


Anthras:: White and pure as snow.




I'm not overly thrilled with the way things are going, yet there are a couple names standing higher than the rest in my suspect list. What most concerns me though, is that after todays CF and night actions, if the low posters haven't contributed anything at all, people will turn onto them tomorrow like carrion on rotting flesh - and the ones who have been getting some heat today will get a rest.
So, I'd rather get rid of Osseric than Kara, just for what went on. Immediately after these two, with close calls come Telas - Galain - Korlat - Shadow.
Kalse gives off some vibes, but it's mostly a gut feeling.

[Karatallid]

maybe osseric should just reveal what role he is claiming...would make it more plausible if no one counters?
Its day one afterall.



dunno... since he has come and said he has a role. He is going to be a target anyways?

not sure, what do you guys think?

[Osseric]

i thought you may have gotten it earlier on when I gave a little scene.

[Karatallid]

erm...no...trully...i was just too frustrated at the time to care what more you where blithering on about

[Shadow]

A couple of quick thoughts -

Telas has made either a nifty leap of case making or fabricated some stinky BS. I enjoy the exchange w/ him & Kalse, but it is all I can see for a page & a half, creating distraction.

Osseric - I was about to remove my non-serious vote from yesterday, but that whole reveal scenario sucks. He's created a mess already, and I'm not sure if I buy it, want confirmation, or want him gone for (fake?)revealing when its not needed.

[Korlat]

At the moment i would feel more comfortable voting galain, but the fact that osseric just voted against him after quickly jumping to the counter vote when somebody voted galain at first has me a little concerned. Why the change of heart?

[Osseric]

honestly, we need to lynch everyday, if i'm the more viable lynch then lynch me, how long is left?



@Korlat

I haven't had a change of heart, i've been concerned about Galain all game, yeah I was joking not signalling when I first mentioned him but since then he has just been at the bottom of the page without commenting. I was away for the last 9 hours last night and I do not know many scum who are not around.

I don't understand the town wanting to vote me off, i don't. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some scum gunning for me.

[Anthras]

Path-Shaper, on 18 August 2011 - 10:44 AM, said:

There's 11 hours and 5 minutes left of the day.

Osseric, on 18 August 2011 - 02:15 PM, said:

honestly, we need to lynch everyday, if i'm the more viable lynch then lynch me, how long is left?

7 hours 35something minutes left?

[Osseric]

I hadn't read the exchange between Kalse, Telas and Kara when I revealed. I was sleepy, I had just woke up and i couldn't view the forum properly from my phone. I only saw a couple of posts and they looked dangerous to me, this isn't a faction game and I thought I needed to reveal at the time. Looking back I shouldn't have, I should have just applied pressure as and where was needed but I didn't. If that gets me lynched it gets me lynched but its not because I was scummy or an intended symp its because your all harsh

[Kalse]

I agree with Kara that Osseric should reveal his role.

He's revealed as having a role, so is going to draw fire from scum regardless. Him revealing his role is good for town as it means if it's a fake reveal, there's a chance someone will have the role and counter.

[Kalse]

The reasoning for Emurs vote seems strange. Ok, Osserics reveal could be a symp muddying the waters, but he doesn't do anything towards Kara. Indeed, since he's the other major train, and we're usually cautious about lynching people who reveal, it seems like it would just put more pressure on Kara rather than de-rail.

[Osseric]

well I thought my shield would give it away but I'm a guard.

[Kalse]

Karatallid, on 18 August 2011 - 07:51 AM, said:

Kalse, on 18 August 2011 - 01:27 AM, said:

Remove vote

Vote karatallid

I think TS looks like he's symping more strongly than Osseric did, Osserics reaction was pretty reasonable, and my vote always had an element of trying to get the game going involved.

I think TS has some questions to answer. The timing of the vote looks dodgy aswell. It comes just after a big discussion about whether cult could be M&P and accusations of people trying to confuse the thread, which is pretty serious. TS had been on for quite some time, so the vote doesn't seem right for a jokey/casual vote. Also, as D'riss pointed out, there are several players who made that sort of post.

I like the way you are forcing him into some corner as if he now HAS to answer to these allegations to prove ME innocent?
I mean...who is getting the votes here? He doesnt care. For all he knows i am scum. Why should he put any effort in.
For all i know HE is scum....BAH


"You think TS has some questions to answer" but what then?....you are just forcing him to stick up for me.
Then you are going to come back and say "look he is sticking up for the him again"

I dont like this reasoning of yours....its like almost orchestrated.
Nothing he says is going to look good with the way you guys are painting this simple vote he put on a random low poster.

As you pointed out, the initial vote isn't to do with your own actions, but TS'.

So I was putting pressure on him to see a reaction.

[Kalse]

Osseric, on 18 August 2011 - 02:53 PM, said:

well I thought my shield would give it away but I'm a guard.

Thank you.

[Kalse]

Osseric, on 18 August 2011 - 09:54 AM, said:

yeah okay i'm a symp you got me, i'm symping Galain, Kara and TS because nothing I say can actually be what I am saying. Rather than think I'm symping, have a look at it from another angle and think, "okay what if he is telling the truth", what if he is actually Town. Take me out of the equation and then see if you think Kara/Galain or TS is scummy scum and if they are then i'd vote along, out of everyone Galain has pinged my radar the most for his day one antics. Who said lurking is hard to prove? More than one person noticed him being Nekkid at the bottom of the page on more than one occasion but not adding anything to the fore. He was mentioned time and again but has said nothing. Other than vote for me, so yeah he is acting scummy.

When I voted Kara, you weren't in the equation.

I thought TS was more likely symping him than you were symping Galain, not some big convoluted thing where you are all connected.

[Karatallid]

... guard?

ok.


If there is no counter reveal im inclined to believe him.

I dont think a guard would keep quiet now if he is lying as a guard isnt too handy early on. And rarely makes it to the end to be of any use.
And outing scum by counter revealing would be the right move i reckon.

[Karatallid]

i dunno now...im thinking i could lay down a vote on galain...he seems to have simply disappeared now that the heat is more on others.

looks like lurk mode perhaps

[Kalse]

Karatallid, on 18 August 2011 - 03:17 PM, said:

... guard?

ok.


If there is no counter reveal im inclined to believe him.

I dont think a guard would keep quiet now if he is lying as a guard isnt too handy early on. And rarely makes it to the end to be of any use.
And outing scum by counter revealing would be the right move i reckon.

I agree with this.

It'd be very risky to fake reveal while everyone is still alive. I don't like that he didn't give the role at the start, and he seems to have thought he was in a worse position that he was, but I think we'd be unlucky if he managed to pull off a fake reveal on day one.

I also agree it'd be foolish for a guard to stay quiet. That could lead to us being badly misled, whereas revealing would give us a scum down and solid information, which is a bigger advantage than a hidden guard by a long way.

[Kalse]

Karatallid, on 18 August 2011 - 03:20 PM, said:

i dunno now...im thinking i could lay down a vote on galain...he seems to have simply disappeared now that the heat is more on others.

looks like lurk mode perhaps

For me there are several people that aren't giving much in the way of content.

I don't much like going after people for not posting much as early as day one, but our unwillingness to go for low posters generally does let people hide there.

The accusations of him being around seem to be from before he got as much heat (I haven't seen at the bottom of the screen since yesterday). The one thing that does strike me is that if he planned on lurking, I would've expected him to go anon the first time someone pointed it out.

I wouldn't mind a lynch on him, but he doesn't strike me as being much worse than any of the other low posters.