[Karatallid]

Tulas Shorn, on 18 August 2011 - 05:38 PM, said:

Kalse, on 18 August 2011 - 01:09 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 17 August 2011 - 08:36 PM, said:

Sigh...When did voting for your boss ever become a sign of potential signalling anyways?

Around when people kept doing it.

It's certainly not uncommon.

However, it is usually pointless trying to catch it (either as town or scum), so the signalling is usually a certain kind of vote.

Kinds of vote that are dodgy:

1. Voting someone before they are online. Pretty obvious.
2. Voting with very forced reasoning. This can be a symp signalling or a master wanting to get a vote down to avoid the main trains later. Obviously a bit subjective.
3. Voting jokingly while the game is getting serious (TS can I feel be accused of this). Joke votes aren't in the innos interests. The problem is that innos still tend to do it fairly often(though it seems to be in decline) on day one, in the early joking phase, so it's only really if they do it after that when it is dodgy (since normally too many people are doing it, which gives the scum an easy place to hide a signal, and can't really help the innos until later when looking at patterns).
4. Voting for no reason, or just to vote. Similar reasons to 2.

who said my vote on Kara was a joke vote? we had someone that was on just to tell people they were on. if you didn't have anything to add why even bother to tell people that you are here. that annoys the hell out of me.

Guy...people check inlike i did and will continue to do, to let the thread know that they know that the game is on....thats standard practice boyo.

no need to get upset about it.

[Karatallid]

Korlat, on 18 August 2011 - 05:23 PM, said:

Would the counter claim even be that informative? is there a reason we can't have 2 guards


Also PS you have telas thyrllan and osseric as voted and not voted and tulas shorn is missing from either.



edit-Yes

2 guards?...no...highly unlikely.

[Tulas Shorn]

Fener, on 18 August 2011 - 02:38 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 17 August 2011 - 11:45 PM, said:

this game is shaping up to NOT be a m&p game that my grandparents used to play.

frackle, snap, piss

i have a picture of santa mooning that i wanted to use to respond to this post and it's not working

[D'riss]

i'm back. Should be here until lynch time. Looks like I have a lot of catching up to do. brb

[Shadow]

Tulas Shorn, on 18 August 2011 - 05:38 PM, said:

Kalse, on 18 August 2011 - 01:09 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 17 August 2011 - 08:36 PM, said:

Sigh...When did voting for your boss ever become a sign of potential signalling anyways?

Around when people kept doing it.

It's certainly not uncommon.

However, it is usually pointless trying to catch it (either as town or scum), so the signalling is usually a certain kind of vote.

Kinds of vote that are dodgy:

1. Voting someone before they are online. Pretty obvious.
2. Voting with very forced reasoning. This can be a symp signalling or a master wanting to get a vote down to avoid the main trains later. Obviously a bit subjective.
3. Voting jokingly while the game is getting serious (TS can I feel be accused of this). Joke votes aren't in the innos interests. The problem is that innos still tend to do it fairly often(though it seems to be in decline) on day one, in the early joking phase, so it's only really if they do it after that when it is dodgy (since normally too many people are doing it, which gives the scum an easy place to hide a signal, and can't really help the innos until later when looking at patterns).
4. Voting for no reason, or just to vote. Similar reasons to 2.

who said my vote on Kara was a joke vote? we had someone that was on just to tell people they were on. if you didn't have anything to add why even bother to tell people that you are here. that annoys the hell out of me.

This is fairly accepted Day 1 practice

Edit - Xpost

This post has been edited by Shadow: 18 August 2011 - 06:09 PM

[D'riss]

Tulas Shorn, on 17 August 2011 - 11:45 PM, said:

what the hell is going on? why is fener only posting in pictures? what is silenced? what is up with thyrllan in his reference to himself in his posts?

d'riss you are acting the idiot. if it wasn't for all the other seemingly deliberate chaos i would vote you out just to eliminate the confusion you seem to want to spread.

i've got to go. kara thanks for joining the party. i got what i was looking for when i voted for you so

remove vote

this game is shaping up to NOT be a m&p game that my grandparents used to play.

Um... what chaos am I spreading?

This post makes me happy with where I have my vote.

Also, do you really not know what being silenced is? and you are calling me an idiot? Come now, glass houses, stones etc.

[Kalse]

And kara wasn't even the only person to do it, which is one of the things that makes it look like signalling.

Edit: Aimed at kara and shadows explanation that people signing in is pretty common.

This post has been edited by Kalse: 18 August 2011 - 06:25 PM

[Tulas Shorn]

holy fuck olie. i need to finish reading up on thread before i make anymore comments. a lot has happend while I was away. apparently eveyone thinks i'm scum for having a little rp fun while everyone else was trying to get all serious. what happened to good ol day one spam fun

[Telas]

Tulas Shorn, on 18 August 2011 - 05:34 PM, said:

Kalse, on 18 August 2011 - 12:49 AM, said:

Also, RP spam is irritating, and gives scum places to hide signalling.

i don't believe that it's irritating but from what telas has done to my posts i definately agree with it giving scum places to hide.

@telas. that is an absolutely beautiful case you have presented against me. to bad you are wrong about my signaling. to prove it

vote osseric

there could just be a series of coincidences that make osseric look guilty but we might need to remove him to be sure.

i appreciate the compliment, but i hate to say that your vote for osseric is odd too (i know your response will be "guilty regardless of what i do" so know I recognize that).

i'm not sure what to make of your behavior and i still have you pegged as scummy for arguments sake with my prior theory

but i feel vindicated by osseric admitting his RP was hinting at his role and i wonder if his confirmation strengthens my suppositions, but again, people seem to need stronger evidence (as they should) so i will not dwell any longer on this

@ athras, thank you for finally explaining that post. it makes a little more sense now and of osseric, TS, and you, I would be least inclined to vote for you currently

Another thought that is bothering me towards the end of this day. i know others have mentioned this, but i am also very bothered by galain's absence, especially in the light of all the accusations and activity surrounding him. frankly, just as i don't like letting erratic behavior such as continual vote switching go unaddressed, i also don't like people using the "wasn't around" excuse to avoid accusations and defending their vote.

so i am still exceptionally concerned about osseric, for my aforementioned reasons and now the additional reasons of his messing around with claiming to have a role and then claiming to be a symp, even jokingly so, and inviting us to lynch him and see

however, he does have a hard-on for galain, as does Thyrllan, and i think at this moment with all the day 1 WIFOM, i would like to maximize my assessment of our body of players. thus, here is what i think: we lynch galain for his absence, lack of defense for his voting or behavior, early nekkid lurking, and the gut reactions of two very noisy players (osseric and thyrllan)

if galain is indeed cult, i would personally ease up on my suspicion of osseric (and by proxy TS) and would start looking into both the other quiet ones, especially if they continue to hide on day 2, look into kara, since he seems to be in opposition to osseric and TS and thus so far could represent one of the two sides in this game, and look into D'riss as another who seems to be all over the board on this first day, perpetuating misinformation like the cult-dynamics (which yes could have been a simple misunderstanding, but i am not so sure)

remove vote


vote galain

[D'riss]

Kalse, on 18 August 2011 - 06:23 PM, said:

And kara wasn't even the only person to do it, which is one of the things that makes it look like signalling.

Which was the whole point of my vote in the first place. I would still like to hear from TS why he voted Kara when he said "I would like to vote someone who hasn't posted" but then passed up on voting for Fener (who hadn't posted) and chose Karatallid over the other 4-5 people who had done exactly the same thing (1 post and bolt, which is, as Shadow states, a pretty common practice on day 1).

I agree with Kara, it's frustrating to be fingered because of something someone else has done...but thats Mafia and to me it looked like TS was signaling Kara.

[Telas]

i am currently studying for a test tomorrow, so i will check in through out the remaining few hours to make sure i don't miss other pertinent information and to be available to answer questions and accusations.

[D'riss]

Telas, on 18 August 2011 - 06:27 PM, said:

and look into D'riss as another who seems to be all over the board on this first day, perpetuating misinformation like the cult-dynamics (which yes could have been a simple misunderstanding, but i am not so sure)

[D'riss]

Red words mid sentence are my responses to his lack of reading comprehension and general disinformation spreading.

Telas, on 18 August 2011 - 02:17 AM, said:

ok, reading back through again, i see where you grabbed your train of thought. i mean, it seems like a weak case to me, esp since you seem to be just tagging along with D'riss who seems to have some really weak logic going on Its Day 1 (claiming there was cult I explained this to death, blame PS...I had never heard of lovecraft, tagging along with TS to see where the vote went I was calling him out thinking he would remove his vote as soon as a train got started...and lookie. He did just that., asking TS why he voted Kara when he explicitly explained his vote I asked him why he chose to vote for Kara over the 4 other people that fit the exact same criteria...way to twist my words.)

i;m not sure what the fuck is up with D'riss, but i think that he strikes me as more of a RI idiot than someone actually reliable. and i agree TS is untrustworthy but if he was a symp, why does he keep talking about being weaponless and asking for protection? i dunno, my gut tells me that TS and Osseric are in on something and Kara doesn't seem to be on their side, esp when digging at anthras' conversation with osseric (first time that was questioned iirc) if you think TS and osseric are roled town, then i could believe Kara is cult, but TS and osseric making and removing votes like their playing hopscotch is giving me the scum vibe

So now that you have called out TS as being roled ( brilliant move btw...and you are calling me the idiot?!?) and Osseric has revealed roled. Why aren't you voting Kara? In this post you state it seems that if that were the case, kara is likely scum, yet you are voting Galain. You aren't backing up your words and that is fishy.

[Tulas Shorn]

Shadow, on 18 August 2011 - 06:08 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 18 August 2011 - 05:38 PM, said:

Kalse, on 18 August 2011 - 01:09 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 17 August 2011 - 08:36 PM, said:

Sigh...When did voting for your boss ever become a sign of potential signalling anyways?

Around when people kept doing it.

It's certainly not uncommon.

However, it is usually pointless trying to catch it (either as town or scum), so the signalling is usually a certain kind of vote.

Kinds of vote that are dodgy:

1. Voting someone before they are online. Pretty obvious.
2. Voting with very forced reasoning. This can be a symp signalling or a master wanting to get a vote down to avoid the main trains later. Obviously a bit subjective.
3. Voting jokingly while the game is getting serious (TS can I feel be accused of this). Joke votes aren't in the innos interests. The problem is that innos still tend to do it fairly often(though it seems to be in decline) on day one, in the early joking phase, so it's only really if they do it after that when it is dodgy (since normally too many people are doing it, which gives the scum an easy place to hide a signal, and can't really help the innos until later when looking at patterns).
4. Voting for no reason, or just to vote. Similar reasons to 2.

who said my vote on Kara was a joke vote? we had someone that was on just to tell people they were on. if you didn't have anything to add why even bother to tell people that you are here. that annoys the hell out of me.

This is fairly accepted Day 1 practice

Edit - Xpost

just because it's standard practice still doesn't mean i have to like it.

[Karatallid]

D'riss you are still going around as if TS actually needed to explain himself and his vote on me.

He really doesnt have to...his neck is not on the line so why would he even bother...

[Path-Shaper]

There's 2 hours and 50 minutes left of the day.


Players still alive: Barghast, Sorrit, Osseric, Anthras, Kalse, Karatallid, Silanah, Korlat, Thyrllan, Telas, Shadow, Galain, Fener, Emurlahn, D'riss, Tulas Shorn.

9 votes to lynch.
8 votes to go to night.

4 votes for Galain ( Thyrllan, Osseric, Karatallid, Telas)
3 votes for Osseric (Galain, Korlat, Tulas Shorn)
1 vote for Fener (Sorrit)
3 votes for Karatallid ( D'riss, Kalse, Emurlahn)
1 vote for D'riss (Fener)

Players that have yet to vote: Barghast, Anthras, Silanah, Shadow

[Anthras]

Karatallid, on 18 August 2011 - 06:52 PM, said:

D'riss you are still going around as if TS actually needed to explain himself and his vote on me.

He really doesnt have to...his neck is not on the line so why would he even bother...

Everyone's neck should be on the line.
No matter what.

[Tulas Shorn]

now that i'm fully caught up first things first

remove vote

now that osseric has revealed it makes no sense to vote for him. as to what to do now i have no idea. currently it seems like i'm top of most peoples scum list as a symp so for now i'll just hold off on any votes unless it is needed to get a lynch done for day 1. i've had a crazy day so far so i'm not likely to be adding much in the way of content unless prompted for something.

[Tulas Shorn]

Karatallid, on 18 August 2011 - 06:52 PM, said:

D'riss you are still going around as if TS actually needed to explain himself and his vote on me.

He really doesnt have to...his neck is not on the line so why would he even bother...

what is there to explain? it was fairly early day 1. i chose a low poster to vote for to get a reaction. your checking in post was all there was and it stood out for me, so i voted you. it happens almost every game so i don't understand why this particular time it meant more than others.

[D'riss]

Well, i am off to lunch.

i'll be back before lynch. I would prefer to lynch Kara to test my theory, but I would be willing to lynch Galain. imo a galain lynch doesn't give us as much info. i'll be back in an hr or 2