[Tiamatha]

Barghast, on 05 October 2011 - 11:32 AM, said:

Telas, on 05 October 2011 - 11:14 AM, said:

Rashan, on 05 October 2011 - 11:09 AM, said:

Telas, there may be less information tomorrow from today, but as long as Tiam is around, most of the posting will be about her, which can tell us indirectly about others but limits the amount of pressure we can put on others since we are focused on her. We need to remove her before we can get adequate conversation about other targets going (Tiam, as you've noticed, really likes attention).

Vote Tiam

I agree, and I'm be perfectly willing to lynch Tiam today. However, the intelligent way to go about it would have been to delay the whole yeah me too! sort of thing going on right now. As it stands there's no incentive for anyone to say anything not directly related to Tiam.

This. Unfortunately, both yesterday and today, Tiam (unlike 85% of your average primary lynch target) has made no effort to bring attention to someone else, giving us neither an alternative and no future avenue of further inquiry. That in itself may be resignation to their fate, but after all the long posts with theory and their recent post, it is clearly obvious that Tiam has time to post, and the brains required to think of something when they feel they need to. If the OP contained a Jester role, then Tiam's playstyle would imho be almost textbook play on how to get and keep attention and on how to not get the train derailed.

For the record: I'm not scaremongering. I don't think there is a Jester, in fact, I'm as convinced as I can be that there is none.

You are something. I guess you're trying to live upto the expectations of Onos T'OOLans name.

You conveniently left out an entire case based on the observation that Serc is either a Prime Minister of Lu, a Prime Minister of Yan or the Civil Official of Yan - and how could that possibly connect him with Mockra. When everyone and their mother was piling up on Serc. At L-1. With no other cases around.
Eventually it didn't pan out, but it warranted consideration at that freaking time, and that's why I was sticking around for Serc's CF in case he is indeed a Prime Minister or not. And then Karosis had to come around all bossy and shit.

I did a re-read on you Barghast. Funny how you come around commenting on what other people are saying, yet avoid starting your own case like the plague. You stick your head in for three minutes, berate someone about something they said (a safe point, that will not kick up too much dust) then you sneak your weaselly head back inside.

You accuse me of Usurper obsession, yet you seem to sweat and worry more about this "supposed" theory than anyone else. You demand knowledge of how it's possible to work, and how this and how that. You seem agitated in the thought that there could possibly be an Usurp Hunter or any other freaking class combo that could snoop out the Usurper, you try to play it 'friendly' with me in a 'tell us how it can work, I'm all for it' kind of way (In a faction game. Go figure..) ---- When I repeatedly explained that all that hypothesis was based on the game set up and role abilities and reviews, in a "It would have been interesting to consider" way. Were you sweating in your pants, afraid that I have some sort of power role that somewhat counters the Usurper and I was subtle hinting it on the thread to get the attention of people?

You strawman, twist and turn. You waltzed your vote between me and Serc, clearly stating it doesn't matter to you what so ever which one of us is getting lynched. Again, in a faction game. When Serc's possible faction wasn't clear, and my faction was still under discussion. You skimmed my posts, and belittled them as far as tone wise and information wise. You were caught skimming twice -- once in the Champion comment I made as a possible role for your behavior, and now on the Mockra case about yesterdays events. Yet you fail to explain to our fellow players here how come while you're skimming my posts and disregard them, you know that they are all full of whiny/dismissive stuff and they refrain from answering questions. Contradict yourself much?

Be weary of this fellow. And pay attention to his patterns. Don't trust me or believe me? Go do a re-read yourself.

Hood, on 05 October 2011 - 03:06 PM, said:

I personally think that Serc's reveal is correct. He is a member of Yan so he likely started out in

Yong An
Jiang Xia
Eight Fan
He Fei

Since he did a find on Tiamatha and it came back as Cen Pi a member of the Xia dynasty then he was most likely in He Fei when he did his find.

At first I had trouble believing the find because Cen Pi was tasked with fighting the GongSun along the northern border. How could Serc do a find on a player that is supposed to be two cities away?

When you take into the OP message about the barbarians able to waltz into an empty village then it makes sense. Cen Pi must have moved from Xin Du to Luo Yang thus moving into range of Serc's ablility to find him. It's blatantly obvious that Tiamatha is a member of Xia.

One of the easiest slam dunk cases that you can make

vote Tiamatha

Busy at work today so won't be on much today.

Freakin A!!
Where the heck have you been hiding so far, Hood's Path? We kinda needed you around here. Captain Obvious seat on the table has remained too long vacant.

So, if you base Cen Pi's movement on the tiles based on a OP scene, as you say --- Can you explain to me, in plain English, how come there are two (not one, two, T-W-O) hints, one in Day 1 CF of Gamelon, and the other on the Day 2 CF of Serc, that hint that Serc spend his Night 1 into Jiang Xia. And how come, since you clearly accept that Cen Pi's movement can be interpreted by a scene, the same conditions do not apply for Serc's possible tile movements.

Apples with freaking oranges.

[Path-Shaper]

It is 227 AD. 13 hours and 17 minutes remaining
23 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

12 votes to lynch, 12 votes to go to night.

9 Votes for Tiamatha ( Osseric, Mockra, Sorritt, Karosis, Kessobahn, Rashan, Silanah, Okaros, Hood's Path )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Kaschan, Korlat, Meanas, Omtose, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

[Silanah]

Even when Tiam makes valid points, she's so aggresive and annoying.

We get it, you think we're dumb. Either you're unintelligent enough to believe that being condescending will somehow postpone your lynch, or you're making sure you stay the focus of attention so as to ensure the safety of someone else.

[Tiamatha]

Korlat, on 05 October 2011 - 04:16 PM, said:

I think it is clear that tIam is proving a big distraction, if she is kept around there will be little else focused on, we'll end up treading over the same ground, especially since tiam seems to think she is the only one capable of making a valid point, the last few posts while amusing have been somewhat condescending, I agree that she tends to focus on herself without offering much else although she can when she looks away from herself for a moment, like the case on mockra yesterday, why instead of going 'oh I am sooo going to be killed because you are all idiots' can't she push a case she believes is a better option?

Korlat, much like yesterday, I can't pull cases out of my ass. Regardless how much I want to. Right now, even if I give you lot a new target, you will still end up lynching me. That's alright, its part of the game. Regardless how much I'd like to continue and see the end of this, since it's the last Rot3K game and been a personal favorite of mine, I get the vibe.

What's rattling my feathers is that people can simply come out and state that they vote for me because they believe I'm Xia and there needs to be a balance in numbers between the Middle Nations.

Alright, that's fine, dandy and acceptable. But don't attach instigating/strawmanning and blatant attacks heading my way in those posts, and then complain when I bite back. Because I will.

For example :: Look at this pearl of a player, here.

Barghast, on 03 October 2011 - 02:41 PM, said:

It seems day 2 is all about digesting day 1 and being low on aggressiveness. I guess it will remain that way until someone is pressured enough and starts looking around for deterrents. So, to get some cracks visible in their armour:

vote Tiamatha.

For presenting a hypothesis and presenting it as a strategy "that is beneficial to all". If it can be put into practice to begin with.
It will be interesting to see whether or not someone will defend them or derail to Serc or Emur as the other prime suspects of yesterday, or when/whether Tia will stop laughing it away and countering.

Barghast, on 03 October 2011 - 03:01 PM, said:

@ Osseric: not scaring people of. If Serc is an Emperor, he also isn't going anywhere and his faction will become more and more clear the longer he is around but under fire on thread. Tiam is a bit more of a mystery.

Anyway, my vote is pressure. I want Tiam to talk about something else than their emperor-hunt, or at the least, make it way more clear how they intend to go on their crusade and find Emperors. I have no real issue switching to Serc, there's some time left in the day after all

Out for now.

<Ohh, look at me, I R applaiz teh pressurez! Can I haz cheeseburger now?>

Barghast, on 05 October 2011 - 11:32 AM, said:

Telas, on 05 October 2011 - 11:14 AM, said:

Rashan, on 05 October 2011 - 11:09 AM, said:

Telas, there may be less information tomorrow from today, but as long as Tiam is around, most of the posting will be about her, which can tell us indirectly about others but limits the amount of pressure we can put on others since we are focused on her. We need to remove her before we can get adequate conversation about other targets going (Tiam, as you've noticed, really likes attention).

Vote Tiam

I agree, and I'm be perfectly willing to lynch Tiam today. However, the intelligent way to go about it would have been to delay the whole yeah me too! sort of thing going on right now. As it stands there's no incentive for anyone to say anything not directly related to Tiam.

This. Unfortunately, both yesterday and today, Tiam (unlike 85% of your average primary lynch target) has made no effort to bring attention to someone else, giving us neither an alternative and no future avenue of further inquiry. That in itself may be resignation to their fate, but after all the long posts with theory and their recent post, it is clearly obvious that Tiam has time to post, and the brains required to think of something when they feel they need to. If the OP contained a Jester role, then Tiam's playstyle would imho be almost textbook play on how to get and keep attention and on how to not get the train derailed.

For the record: I'm not scaremongering. I don't think there is a Jester, in fact, I'm as convinced as I can be that there is none.

Emm?
What the fuck?
If you're applying pressure, shouldn't you pay more attention to my posts? Like, read what I said about Mockra?

Karosis, on 03 October 2011 - 03:08 PM, said:

Ok...some interesting comments.
Its still pretty quiet here though.

anyways...Ill go ahead and add even more pressure to Tiam.
I could swap to serc as i feel he is very viable but i am intrigued by tiam and how she seems to be responding to people...something doesnt seem right with her to me.

Vote Tiamatha


I obviously agree with what has been said about tiam up to this point and feel there is a good possibility that tiam, portraying the seemingly biggest emperor/usurper hunter, could in fact be one of either herself in the hopes of doing the ol' "double bluff" in trying to seem the biggest hunter of the very role she has.

I also dont like the way in which she defends herself by trying to degrade or belittle any theories directed towards her.
Seems like a bit of knee jerk reaction from only the slightest pressure.
Worth exploring on my book

If you do a re-read on Karosis, then you will find his pissing contest between himself and Kessobahn in the thread. Karosis stralls inside, removes his vote from me as if -I- was the one standing on L-1 , then refuses to devote 10 seconds to quote something from the OP, and portraits the SAME behavior that Barghast has (Vote hoping without any concern about the faction and been open about it, trying to bait others into admitting shit, putting words in other people's mouth).

[Silanah]

Tiamatha, on 05 October 2011 - 05:35 PM, said:

Korlat, on 05 October 2011 - 04:16 PM, said:

I think it is clear that tIam is proving a big distraction, if she is kept around there will be little else focused on, we'll end up treading over the same ground, especially since tiam seems to think she is the only one capable of making a valid point, the last few posts while amusing have been somewhat condescending, I agree that she tends to focus on herself without offering much else although she can when she looks away from herself for a moment, like the case on mockra yesterday, why instead of going 'oh I am sooo going to be killed because you are all idiots' can't she push a case she believes is a better option?

Korlat, much like yesterday, I can't pull cases out of my ass. Regardless how much I want to. Right now, even if I give you lot a new target, you will still end up lynching me. That's alright, its part of the game. Regardless how much I'd like to continue and see the end of this, since it's the last Rot3K game and been a personal favorite of mine, I get the vibe.

What's rattling my feathers is that people can simply come out and state that they vote for me because they believe I'm Xia and there needs to be a balance in numbers between the Middle Nations.

Alright, that's fine, dandy and acceptable. But don't attach instigating/strawmanning and blatant attacks heading my way in those posts, and then complain when I bite back. Because I will.

For example :: Look at this pearl of a player, here.

Barghast, on 03 October 2011 - 02:41 PM, said:

It seems day 2 is all about digesting day 1 and being low on aggressiveness. I guess it will remain that way until someone is pressured enough and starts looking around for deterrents. So, to get some cracks visible in their armour:

vote Tiamatha.

For presenting a hypothesis and presenting it as a strategy "that is beneficial to all". If it can be put into practice to begin with.
It will be interesting to see whether or not someone will defend them or derail to Serc or Emur as the other prime suspects of yesterday, or when/whether Tia will stop laughing it away and countering.

Barghast, on 03 October 2011 - 03:01 PM, said:

@ Osseric: not scaring people of. If Serc is an Emperor, he also isn't going anywhere and his faction will become more and more clear the longer he is around but under fire on thread. Tiam is a bit more of a mystery.

Anyway, my vote is pressure. I want Tiam to talk about something else than their emperor-hunt, or at the least, make it way more clear how they intend to go on their crusade and find Emperors. I have no real issue switching to Serc, there's some time left in the day after all

Out for now.

<Ohh, look at me, I R applaiz teh pressurez! Can I haz cheeseburger now?>

Barghast, on 05 October 2011 - 11:32 AM, said:

Telas, on 05 October 2011 - 11:14 AM, said:

Rashan, on 05 October 2011 - 11:09 AM, said:

Telas, there may be less information tomorrow from today, but as long as Tiam is around, most of the posting will be about her, which can tell us indirectly about others but limits the amount of pressure we can put on others since we are focused on her. We need to remove her before we can get adequate conversation about other targets going (Tiam, as you've noticed, really likes attention).

Vote Tiam

I agree, and I'm be perfectly willing to lynch Tiam today. However, the intelligent way to go about it would have been to delay the whole yeah me too! sort of thing going on right now. As it stands there's no incentive for anyone to say anything not directly related to Tiam.

This. Unfortunately, both yesterday and today, Tiam (unlike 85% of your average primary lynch target) has made no effort to bring attention to someone else, giving us neither an alternative and no future avenue of further inquiry. That in itself may be resignation to their fate, but after all the long posts with theory and their recent post, it is clearly obvious that Tiam has time to post, and the brains required to think of something when they feel they need to. If the OP contained a Jester role, then Tiam's playstyle would imho be almost textbook play on how to get and keep attention and on how to not get the train derailed.

For the record: I'm not scaremongering. I don't think there is a Jester, in fact, I'm as convinced as I can be that there is none.

Emm?
What the fuck?
If you're applying pressure, shouldn't you pay more attention to my posts? Like, read what I said about Mockra?

Karosis, on 03 October 2011 - 03:08 PM, said:

Ok...some interesting comments.
Its still pretty quiet here though.

anyways...Ill go ahead and add even more pressure to Tiam.
I could swap to serc as i feel he is very viable but i am intrigued by tiam and how she seems to be responding to people...something doesnt seem right with her to me.

Vote Tiamatha


I obviously agree with what has been said about tiam up to this point and feel there is a good possibility that tiam, portraying the seemingly biggest emperor/usurper hunter, could in fact be one of either herself in the hopes of doing the ol' "double bluff" in trying to seem the biggest hunter of the very role she has.

I also dont like the way in which she defends herself by trying to degrade or belittle any theories directed towards her.
Seems like a bit of knee jerk reaction from only the slightest pressure.
Worth exploring on my book

If you do a re-read on Karosis, then you will find his pissing contest between himself and Kessobahn in the thread. Karosis stralls inside, removes his vote from me as if -I- was the one standing on L-1 , then refuses to devote 10 seconds to quote something from the OP, and portraits the SAME behavior that Barghast has (Vote hoping without any concern about the faction and been open about it, trying to bait others into admitting shit, putting words in other people's mouth).

Tiam, I feel for you. But the way you're acting is making many of the people here distracted. I'm not saying you're the only one I have suspicions about. I just want you out of the way, finally. All anyone every does is respond to you (as I am right now). With you gone, we can actually get some stuff done.

[Galain]

Silanah, on 05 October 2011 - 05:28 PM, said:

Even when Tiam makes valid points, she's so aggresive and annoying.

I really do wonder how that's supposed to keep us from voting for her ... because it'll just make it more likely.

[Tiamatha]

Silanah, on 05 October 2011 - 05:39 PM, said:

Tiam, I feel for you. But the way you're acting is making many of the people here distracted. I'm not saying you're the only one I have suspicions about. I just want you out of the way, finally. All anyone every does is respond to you (as I am right now). With you gone, we can actually get some stuff done.

I would have preferred to go quietly myself, as well. But it's not that I'm entirely given that option, as well.

[Korlat]

Tiamatha, on 05 October 2011 - 05:35 PM, said:

Korlat, on 05 October 2011 - 04:16 PM, said:

I think it is clear that tIam is proving a big distraction, if she is kept around there will be little else focused on, we'll end up treading over the same ground, especially since tiam seems to think she is the only one capable of making a valid point, the last few posts while amusing have been somewhat condescending, I agree that she tends to focus on herself without offering much else although she can when she looks away from herself for a moment, like the case on mockra yesterday, why instead of going 'oh I am sooo going to be killed because you are all idiots' can't she push a case she believes is a better option?

Korlat, much like yesterday, I can't pull cases out of my ass. Regardless how much I want to. Right now, even if I give you lot a new target, you will still end up lynching me. That's alright, its part of the game. Regardless how much I'd like to continue and see the end of this, since it's the last Rot3K game and been a personal favorite of mine, I get the vibe.

What's rattling my feathers is that people can simply come out and state that they vote for me because they believe I'm Xia and there needs to be a balance in numbers between the Middle Nations.

Alright, that's fine, dandy and acceptable. But don't attach instigating/strawmanning and blatant attacks heading my way in those posts, and then complain when I bite back. Because I will.

For example :: Look at this pearl of a player, here.

Barghast, on 03 October 2011 - 02:41 PM, said:

It seems day 2 is all about digesting day 1 and being low on aggressiveness. I guess it will remain that way until someone is pressured enough and starts looking around for deterrents. So, to get some cracks visible in their armour:

vote Tiamatha.

For presenting a hypothesis and presenting it as a strategy "that is beneficial to all". If it can be put into practice to begin with.
It will be interesting to see whether or not someone will defend them or derail to Serc or Emur as the other prime suspects of yesterday, or when/whether Tia will stop laughing it away and countering.

Barghast, on 03 October 2011 - 03:01 PM, said:

@ Osseric: not scaring people of. If Serc is an Emperor, he also isn't going anywhere and his faction will become more and more clear the longer he is around but under fire on thread. Tiam is a bit more of a mystery.

Anyway, my vote is pressure. I want Tiam to talk about something else than their emperor-hunt, or at the least, make it way more clear how they intend to go on their crusade and find Emperors. I have no real issue switching to Serc, there's some time left in the day after all

Out for now.

<Ohh, look at me, I R applaiz teh pressurez! Can I haz cheeseburger now?>

Barghast, on 05 October 2011 - 11:32 AM, said:

Telas, on 05 October 2011 - 11:14 AM, said:

Rashan, on 05 October 2011 - 11:09 AM, said:

Telas, there may be less information tomorrow from today, but as long as Tiam is around, most of the posting will be about her, which can tell us indirectly about others but limits the amount of pressure we can put on others since we are focused on her. We need to remove her before we can get adequate conversation about other targets going (Tiam, as you've noticed, really likes attention).

Vote Tiam

I agree, and I'm be perfectly willing to lynch Tiam today. However, the intelligent way to go about it would have been to delay the whole yeah me too! sort of thing going on right now. As it stands there's no incentive for anyone to say anything not directly related to Tiam.

This. Unfortunately, both yesterday and today, Tiam (unlike 85% of your average primary lynch target) has made no effort to bring attention to someone else, giving us neither an alternative and no future avenue of further inquiry. That in itself may be resignation to their fate, but after all the long posts with theory and their recent post, it is clearly obvious that Tiam has time to post, and the brains required to think of something when they feel they need to. If the OP contained a Jester role, then Tiam's playstyle would imho be almost textbook play on how to get and keep attention and on how to not get the train derailed.

For the record: I'm not scaremongering. I don't think there is a Jester, in fact, I'm as convinced as I can be that there is none.

Emm?
What the fuck?
If you're applying pressure, shouldn't you pay more attention to my posts? Like, read what I said about Mockra?

Karosis, on 03 October 2011 - 03:08 PM, said:

Ok...some interesting comments.
Its still pretty quiet here though.

anyways...Ill go ahead and add even more pressure to Tiam.
I could swap to serc as i feel he is very viable but i am intrigued by tiam and how she seems to be responding to people...something doesnt seem right with her to me.

Vote Tiamatha


I obviously agree with what has been said about tiam up to this point and feel there is a good possibility that tiam, portraying the seemingly biggest emperor/usurper hunter, could in fact be one of either herself in the hopes of doing the ol' "double bluff" in trying to seem the biggest hunter of the very role she has.

I also dont like the way in which she defends herself by trying to degrade or belittle any theories directed towards her.
Seems like a bit of knee jerk reaction from only the slightest pressure.
Worth exploring on my book

If you do a re-read on Karosis, then you will find his pissing contest between himself and Kessobahn in the thread. Karosis stralls inside, removes his vote from me as if -I- was the one standing on L-1 , then refuses to devote 10 seconds to quote something from the OP, and portraits the SAME behavior that Barghast has (Vote hoping without any concern about the faction and been open about it, trying to bait others into admitting shit, putting words in other people's mouth).

I have already stated my concerns about Barghast, the way he 'pressured' you felt at first like he was trying to get the focus away from serc and then when this was pointed out by a couple of people he suddenly switched his vote despite there being a lot of day left, it struck me on the whole as suspicious and I still think that there is a possibility he was either a Yan player trying to make it look like he wasn't or is of the warlord's faction and so didn't care too much either way.

I think though that your aggression and condescension are not helpful at all to anyone, whenever you defend yourself you're coming across really badly and distracting people but I grant you are in a difficult position.

Edit - spelling

This post has been edited by Korlat: 05 October 2011 - 05:55 PM

[Silanah]

Tiamatha, on 05 October 2011 - 05:51 PM, said:

Silanah, on 05 October 2011 - 05:39 PM, said:

Tiam, I feel for you. But the way you're acting is making many of the people here distracted. I'm not saying you're the only one I have suspicions about. I just want you out of the way, finally. All anyone every does is respond to you (as I am right now). With you gone, we can actually get some stuff done.

I would have preferred to go quietly myself, as well. But it's not that I'm entirely given that option, as well.

Unless you're in the warlord or usurper factions, you're probably hurting your own faction by drawing the attention of EVERYONE so we can't try to root out the usurper, or find the warlords.

If you're doing it on purpose, well played. It's working.

[Sorrit]

Well for now it looks as if it is only going one way, and that day 2 is going to culminate in the lynching and removal of Tiam, however, like many people have said it'd be good to see what others have to say for themselves. Tiam is bringing attention on himself is this to divert attention from Emurlahn? People have said that he could be another viable option, the only reason I am not changing my vote at present is because no one has created a solid case on Emur other than his filler and a couple of odd posts. I am open to the switch but I'm content with my vote for now. I'll be on sporadically over the next few hours

[Tennes]

Tiam is annoying and not helping anything. I am not saying you are or aren't on my team. But either way. You are a distraction.

vote Tiamatha

I wouldn't have minded an Emur vote but you are just being a petulant child now. You are shitting up the thread with your "funny" condescending posts and really, all you are doing is drawing attention away from everyone else and putting them on yourself. Right now the warlords are cheering you on. We aren't going to get anywhere with you around.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Today has been out of control busy. Everytime I try to read the thread, someone comes in diverting my attention.

I think we have to get the distraction of Tiam out of the way. Day 3 has seemed to be revolving around her. I did find that mocking text a bit much, if humorous. I don;t think I buy Serc's info about her, even if he was a Civil Officer. The CF will tell us some new things, although I would miss some of the banter.


Some people have chosen Emurlahn as a new target for investigation, for posting a lot without content?? or signalling. I have no problem with this, but what earlier felt like a earnest attempt to explore new ideas now feels like it could be a subtle effort to divert the lynch from Tiam.


For now I hold my vote, I'll return later, as I have many hours of work remaining.

[Hood's Path]

Tiamatha, on 05 October 2011 - 05:12 PM, said:

Barghast, on 05 October 2011 - 11:32 AM, said:

Telas, on 05 October 2011 - 11:14 AM, said:

Rashan, on 05 October 2011 - 11:09 AM, said:

Telas, there may be less information tomorrow from today, but as long as Tiam is around, most of the posting will be about her, which can tell us indirectly about others but limits the amount of pressure we can put on others since we are focused on her. We need to remove her before we can get adequate conversation about other targets going (Tiam, as you've noticed, really likes attention).

Vote Tiam

I agree, and I'm be perfectly willing to lynch Tiam today. However, the intelligent way to go about it would have been to delay the whole yeah me too! sort of thing going on right now. As it stands there's no incentive for anyone to say anything not directly related to Tiam.

This. Unfortunately, both yesterday and today, Tiam (unlike 85% of your average primary lynch target) has made no effort to bring attention to someone else, giving us neither an alternative and no future avenue of further inquiry. That in itself may be resignation to their fate, but after all the long posts with theory and their recent post, it is clearly obvious that Tiam has time to post, and the brains required to think of something when they feel they need to. If the OP contained a Jester role, then Tiam's playstyle would imho be almost textbook play on how to get and keep attention and on how to not get the train derailed.

For the record: I'm not scaremongering. I don't think there is a Jester, in fact, I'm as convinced as I can be that there is none.

You are something. I guess you're trying to live upto the expectations of Onos T'OOLans name.

You conveniently left out an entire case based on the observation that Serc is either a Prime Minister of Lu, a Prime Minister of Yan or the Civil Official of Yan - and how could that possibly connect him with Mockra. When everyone and their mother was piling up on Serc. At L-1. With no other cases around.
Eventually it didn't pan out, but it warranted consideration at that freaking time, and that's why I was sticking around for Serc's CF in case he is indeed a Prime Minister or not. And then Karosis had to come around all bossy and shit.

I did a re-read on you Barghast. Funny how you come around commenting on what other people are saying, yet avoid starting your own case like the plague. You stick your head in for three minutes, berate someone about something they said (a safe point, that will not kick up too much dust) then you sneak your weaselly head back inside.

You accuse me of Usurper obsession, yet you seem to sweat and worry more about this "supposed" theory than anyone else. You demand knowledge of how it's possible to work, and how this and how that. You seem agitated in the thought that there could possibly be an Usurp Hunter or any other freaking class combo that could snoop out the Usurper, you try to play it 'friendly' with me in a 'tell us how it can work, I'm all for it' kind of way (In a faction game. Go figure..) ---- When I repeatedly explained that all that hypothesis was based on the game set up and role abilities and reviews, in a "It would have been interesting to consider" way. Were you sweating in your pants, afraid that I have some sort of power role that somewhat counters the Usurper and I was subtle hinting it on the thread to get the attention of people?

You strawman, twist and turn. You waltzed your vote between me and Serc, clearly stating it doesn't matter to you what so ever which one of us is getting lynched. Again, in a faction game. When Serc's possible faction wasn't clear, and my faction was still under discussion. You skimmed my posts, and belittled them as far as tone wise and information wise. You were caught skimming twice -- once in the Champion comment I made as a possible role for your behavior, and now on the Mockra case about yesterdays events. Yet you fail to explain to our fellow players here how come while you're skimming my posts and disregard them, you know that they are all full of whiny/dismissive stuff and they refrain from answering questions. Contradict yourself much?

Be weary of this fellow. And pay attention to his patterns. Don't trust me or believe me? Go do a re-read yourself.

Hood, on 05 October 2011 - 03:06 PM, said:

I personally think that Serc's reveal is correct. He is a member of Yan so he likely started out in

Yong An
Jiang Xia
Eight Fan
He Fei

Since he did a find on Tiamatha and it came back as Cen Pi a member of the Xia dynasty then he was most likely in He Fei when he did his find.

At first I had trouble believing the find because Cen Pi was tasked with fighting the GongSun along the northern border. How could Serc do a find on a player that is supposed to be two cities away?

When you take into the OP message about the barbarians able to waltz into an empty village then it makes sense. Cen Pi must have moved from Xin Du to Luo Yang thus moving into range of Serc's ablility to find him. It's blatantly obvious that Tiamatha is a member of Xia.

One of the easiest slam dunk cases that you can make

vote Tiamatha

Busy at work today so won't be on much today.

Freakin A!!
Where the heck have you been hiding so far, Hood's Path? We kinda needed you around here. Captain Obvious seat on the table has remained too long vacant.

So, if you base Cen Pi's movement on the tiles based on a OP scene, as you say --- Can you explain to me, in plain English, how come there are two (not one, two, T-W-O) hints, one in Day 1 CF of Gamelon, and the other on the Day 2 CF of Serc, that hint that Serc spend his Night 1 into Jiang Xia. And how come, since you clearly accept that Cen Pi's movement can be interpreted by a scene, the same conditions do not apply for Serc's possible tile movements.

Apples with freaking oranges.

Hmmm good point. Though it is still possible that Cen Pi was located in He Fei all along and then someone else that was in either Xin Du or Tlan Shui moved to the capital. That could explain Serc's find and the messages in the OP.

[Emurlahn]

I'm back.

for people bitching about me slipping under the radar: guess what? I had last Friday off. since Monday, i've had school. the same school, commenting about which in an RP way caused that BS case on me day 1 in the first place. (I'm not gonna go into how misplaced that whole comma business was here). So yeah, I've had, school, footy and I work night shifts which makes me come home and drop dead from exhaustion.



I do have a few hours now, and i've been noticing a few things as I read through.
first off, to those who say"oh, he's had ALL THAT PRESSURE ™ on Day 1, and nothing since": go back. re-read the "case" on me. look again why I didn't defend it (hint: you can't defend a typo). then come back.

secondly: a lot of you seem to think i'm Xia. more power to you. since you do think that, i'll play along and tell you why it's a bad idea to vote Xia.

the game had 25 players.

3 families, 2 warlords, and the usurper.


now, keep in mind, this game was designed a while ago, before we played the tales. so, the final showdown was always going to feature 3 kingdoms + the usurper.
if the usurper is a 1 man faction, we would be looking at 3 families, 8 man strong.

however, the warlords were added, because the Xia and the Lu lost their minis. thus, the warlord factions were "carved out" of their allotment of players. meaning, they started out with 5-6 players each. let's assume (WCS for me, since i'm supposedly Xia) that the northern kingdoms have 5 each, and hte warlords each have 3 (warlord, champion and someone we don't know yet). that leaves yan with 8. minus Sima Yi. still 7

now, lu lost one, yan lost one. no guarantees that last night's recruit was Yan. no matter how you put it, Yan has plurality at this point.

since all of you assume i'm xia, i'm gonna do what a xia would do in this situation--that is, look for more Yan.

[Silanah]

Emurlahn, on 05 October 2011 - 06:49 PM, said:

I'm back.

for people bitching about me slipping under the radar: guess what? I had last Friday off. since Monday, i've had school. the same school, commenting about which in an RP way caused that BS case on me day 1 in the first place. (I'm not gonna go into how misplaced that whole comma business was here). So yeah, I've had, school, footy and I work night shifts which makes me come home and drop dead from exhaustion.



I do have a few hours now, and i've been noticing a few things as I read through.
first off, to those who say"oh, he's had ALL THAT PRESSURE ™ on Day 1, and nothing since": go back. re-read the "case" on me. look again why I didn't defend it (hint: you can't defend a typo). then come back.

secondly: a lot of you seem to think i'm Xia. more power to you. since you do think that, i'll play along and tell you why it's a bad idea to vote Xia.

the game had 25 players.

3 families, 2 warlords, and the usurper.


now, keep in mind, this game was designed a while ago, before we played the tales. so, the final showdown was always going to feature 3 kingdoms + the usurper.
if the usurper is a 1 man faction, we would be looking at 3 families, 8 man strong.

however, the warlords were added, because the Xia and the Lu lost their minis. thus, the warlord factions were "carved out" of their allotment of players. meaning, they started out with 5-6 players each. let's assume (WCS for me, since i'm supposedly Xia) that the northern kingdoms have 5 each, and hte warlords each have 3 (warlord, champion and someone we don't know yet). that leaves yan with 8. minus Sima Yi. still 7

now, lu lost one, yan lost one. no guarantees that last night's recruit was Yan. no matter how you put it, Yan has plurality at this point.

since all of you assume i'm xia, i'm gonna do what a xia would do in this situation--that is, look for more Yan.

You mad? People were just asking, we know RL happens sometimes.

Other than that, this is a good post. It's frustrating to me that we haven't had any kind of encounter with the warlords? They don't make up nearly as small of a faction as the usurper.

[Galain]

Silanah, on 05 October 2011 - 07:02 PM, said:

Other than that, this is a good post. It's frustrating to me that we haven't had any kind of encounter with the warlords? They don't make up nearly as small of a faction as the usurper.

Define "encounter."

[Emurlahn]

she probably means a lynch. or seeing hem kill someone.

[Silanah]

Emurlahn, on 05 October 2011 - 07:11 PM, said:

she probably means a lynch. or seeing hem kill someone.

This. The only thing we've heard about them is that they moved into a vacant city.

[Galain]

Emurlahn, on 05 October 2011 - 07:11 PM, said:

she probably means a lynch. or seeing hem kill someone.

Well, we've only had two lynches - the odds of hitting someone in the Warlord factions are pretty damned low.

And I'm not surprised at the lack of NKs, the mechanics seem weighted towards minimal successful night actions.

[Emurlahn]

readign over day 1 still

the fact that Meanas bringing attention to my comma fiasco (which, now that I look back on it, was in the word "game" rather than short form for gamelon) cuaght so much interest makes me honestly think that he's an important person--either EMperoe or PM.

come to think of it, I do not remember hearoing much about him since.