[Emurlahn]

incidentally, I will be around to hammer Tiam. I don't have an issue in doing that.

I just want people to read back and think about who they've been following first, though.



forgot to add: also, take a look at who was the first to dismiss my vote on Meanas... the same person who's second in line to do his every bidding (after Ruse)

[Ruse]

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 01:14 AM, said:

oops, pressed "post by mistake.

day 2 continued. to recap:

Meanas voted Serc, citing me and Tiam as likely to be next.

Osseric spoke up against Tiam. Ruse votes Tiam. votes are fairly evenly spread. Osseric votes Tiam.


more votes pile up on serc. a few go to tiam, prior to the big reveal at post 412

Silanah gets on to vote Tiam.

Tiam shows up, a back and forth with Serc ensues.

Mockra and Galain vote Tiam votes are 11 for serc, 9 for tiam.

a few people remove Tiam votes. looks like we're talking before a hammer on serc. Omtose puts him at L-1

Tiam produces a Mockra case. puts Serc at L-2



Ossric shows up, sees the reveal. solution? lynch them both!

Osseric, on 04 October 2011 - 06:59 AM, said:

Well, paranoid dementia aside, the solution is clear.

They're both lying, we'll find out by lynching one of them.

Serc gave a real find, it still doesn't mean he's not Gamelon's Emperor. We'll find out by lynching him.

remove vote

vote Serc


One more question I have: If Serc is a real finder, why didn't he reveal Tiam as a powerful role, even as a lie? If he's honest on thread, he knows her faction, so unless he has reasons to keep her alive he can just lie and say "she's the Usurper!". We might lynch him first, see he's a finder from the CF, then go for Tiam after, and later find out he was lying about her. Serc can snigger in spoiler heaven that he brought an opponent down with him. As of now, he's basically defending her.

Meanas agrees: in the

Meanas, on 04 October 2011 - 07:54 AM, said:

Wow, lots has been happening since I last posted I see. But...I think I'll keep my vote where it is. I don't doubt Serc's reveal of Tiamatha's identity actually, but Tiam at least becomes a known quantity then, and we can even roughly guess where they are on the map. Serc, however, is still an unknown. No, I no longer think that Serc is an Emperor, so the case on him pretty much goes out of the window, but there is the possibility that they are a more powerful role than Tiam.

The voters on Serc are in a somewhat impossible situation themselves. There is the risk that Serc is in my faction, of course, but to switch now would get others guessing on what faction I am in, and I don't want that so early in the game.

This new case of Tiam's on Mockra....I bet when Mockra was asking for other suspects, they weren't expecting Tiam to pull them out However, it strikes me that the case is built on Mockra's interaction with Tiamatha and not a lot else - it just makes it seem as if Tiam got aggravated by Mockra's calls for other suspects (and it is a little annoying, if Mockra is so unsure about the two in front of them, then why not say who they themselves are suspicious of?) and decided that 'aggravating' and 'suspicious' amount to the same thing. It's something to keep in mind, but the CF of whoever is lynched may throw up other leads also.

some discussion and a back and forth between Kesso and osseric ensues, in the end, Kesso hammers Serc.



Day 2 summary.

essentially, at this point, we have had several players emerge as "authorities" in the game. these are Sorritt, Osseric, and to a lesser extent, Meanas. they are early on trains, and they are followed on trains a lot. Sorrit has been involved in making cases on each of the likely lynchees so far. Osseric and Meanas are being followed by Ruse and Silanah. Osseric and Meanas seem to have nearly identical reasoning. in everything.

Also, to note: both Osseric and Meanas submitted the "serc, then tiam, then emur" lynch strategy at the beginnig of day 2. if nothing else, anyone reading htis should wonder why they are being led so as not to even consider another option so far.

That was really well done, despite you implicating me as a symp. The only thing I would say though is even if this were all true it still doesnt undermine the actual existing reasons people had for voting Serc or Tiam. Given Serc`s reveal and all of the other speculation the situation evolved quite a bit beyond the origins you point out. Granted there have been some lazy votes, but there hasnt been much else going on in terms of information or cases.

[Omtose]

Karosis, on 05 October 2011 - 09:00 AM, said:

Osseric, on 05 October 2011 - 08:44 AM, said:

I'm willing to consider that possibility that Serc lied about his find, but I just can't figure out his motive.

If he just wanted to screw Tiam, he would have fake-revealed her at the Predator or something. If he wanted to help Tiam, he would have fake-revealed a find on someone else.

But if there's something I missed, I'm all ears

no reason for him to lie... he woud want his team to have as much info as he could give, if he lied he would also confuse his own team mates.

Do you play here often? He started to confuse his team mates when he first posted.

[Silanah]

Those were long, content filled posts.

So to sum it up: You connect everyone who agrees with eachother about anything. Okay, fine, there merit to that in this type of game.

To defend myself: On day 1, I followed the lynch train because it was a day 1 lynch train.

On day 2, I wanted to test Serc's reveal by lynching Tiam. It didn't go that way, and that didn't really bother me.

Day 3: I don't like Tiam's behavior, and I want her gone.

Frankly, those posts are really fucking good. I feel the connections you made were really well done. I feel that I've been following along to this plan that you show has been layed out. Despite this, the decisions on who I voted for were made by me. I think the people we voted have made sense.

One scary thing that you pointed out is that we haven't considered anyone outside what osseric and all have been suggesting.

Wow... I'm brain hurt.

[Silanah]

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 01:52 AM, said:

incidentally, I will be around to hammer Tiam. I don't have an issue in doing that.

I just want people to read back and think about who they've been following first, though.



forgot to add: also, take a look at who was the first to dismiss my vote on Meanas... the same person who's second in line to do his every bidding (after Ruse)

If you're talking about me (I'm reasonably certain you are), I was simply around when you made the post. I didn't dismiss the post, it made me angry because I want this tiam business to be over with. It really fucks everyone over.

[Silanah]

And I realize Ruse made a similar post to me while I was typing. gr.

[Emurlahn]

given my hteory that we've head one faction start off with 8 people, most of what i've written to support my argument is entirely plausible.

and trust me, if you re-read page 17, the lot of you sound like zombies the second my name is mentioned.
i'm not denying there were cases behind each train (convenient that they were all articulated by sorritt), but i'm genuinely disturbed by the fact that no one looked anywhere else.


ffs, no one even mentioned voting low posters to get them to contribute.

"that's terrorTM "

This post has been edited by Emurlahn: 06 October 2011 - 02:04 AM

[Silanah]

Emur just bounced off my list of lazy players to people to keep around for the case making.

I need sleep... I don't see any other vote but Tiam going on tonight, so I'll leave my vote where it is.

See you all tomorrow.

[Silanah]

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 02:03 AM, said:

given my hteory that we've head one faction start off with 8 people, most of what i've written to support my argument is entirely plausible.

and trust me, if you re-read page 17, the lot of you sound like zombies the second my name is mentioned.
i'm not denying there were cases behind each train (convenient that they were all articulated by sorritt), but i'm genuinely disturbed by the fact that no one looked anywhere else.


ffs, no one even mentioned voting low posters to get them to contribute.

"that's terrorTM "

I have the feeling that the low posters are the warlords and the usurper laying low while we lynch those who talk a lot.

You make me feel dumb.

[Ruse]

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 02:03 AM, said:

given my hteory that we've head one faction start off with 8 people, most of what i've written to support my argument is entirely plausible.

and trust me, if you re-read page 17, the lot of you sound like zombies the second my name is mentioned.
i'm not denying there were cases behind each train (convenient that they were all articulated by sorritt), but i'm genuinely disturbed by the fact that no one looked anywhere else.


ffs, no one even mentioned voting low posters to get them to contribute.

"that's terrorTM "

Given the number of factions there is no way we`re all zombies with the same virus, but your point is made.

Its just a matter of deciding whether people were acting as followers/symps or were just making conclusions based on what appeared to make sense.

[Ruse]

Silanah, on 06 October 2011 - 02:07 AM, said:

I have the feeling that the low posters are the warlords and the usurper laying low while we lynch those who talk a lot.

You make me feel dumb.

Careful, thats more proof that you and I are agreeing with each other automatically since I brought up low posters a couple of pages ago.

[Silanah]

Alright, well I'm really going to sleep this time. Goodnight

[Omtose]

Well that was some of the most interesting reading that I have done in a long time. After reading through all of that I am struck by 2 things the only reason that Tiam is at l-1 is that everyone kept following everyone else and saying that he was a distraction. Whereas I read him and thought that he tried everthing but throwing the kitchen sink at the thread to try to derail his lynch train. It is a shame that he is going to get lynched as he is fun to read. A lot better then the rest of "I agree it's a problem, Yes your right he is creating confusion" posts that people were dropping. The second thing is that Emu has started to make cases the old fashioned way and it is beautiful to behold. A pure joy reading that. Thank you.

Now I am a little irritated that so many of you were quick to buy into the thought that the phoenix represented the usurper but barely a peep when I said what the phoenix represented in ancient China. Drek puts clues in the scenes she has done so for each game. Drek also knows more about China history and legends then anyone else. So for her to put the phoenix into the mix in relation to the usurper is a obvious clue that a female character who hunts for the usurper has been activated. That the phoenix is the symbol of the south which is where the Yan are based out of. Makes it fairly obvious that a female character in the south has been activated who can hunt down the usurper.

I find certain styles of play irritating and right now Osserics is very grating to me. Very pushy in your face. Reading him is like tearing my eyes out with a jagged glass spoon.

[Kaschan]

Finally caught up, and yeah, as a couple people have noted my participation factor has sucked so far. Getting hammered at work to a ridiculous amount (though I see a raise in it and cashing in the extra hours will be nice, the timing just sucks).

To sum up the case on Tiam, since Serc did have a find ability we have a pretty good idea what faction she is in. Most are not in that faction so the majority are fine with lynching her. Her denying the results of the find (the "I am not Cen Pi" stuff) are likely nothing more than trying to convince others that she may be in their faction. But then that gets into the possibility Serc may have just been trying to put someone else into a defined faction to lower the chances of his own lynch, so WIFOM abounds.The bits about becoming a distraction are mostly relevant because of the number of people who are pushing the lynch. Tiam could have played it better with less condescension and making a stab at opening other avenues earlier (say yesterday), but that sort of seems to be the gist of it.

Re Emus big posts: The main connection I saw was between Ruse and Meanas because of the agreeing post from yesterday that seemed to get the ball rolling on Tiam being the next lynch target. Eg. this one (that you already quoted, but hey you quoted a bunch of stuff)

Ruse, on 01 October 2011 - 12:25 AM, said:

Meanas, on 30 September 2011 - 11:27 PM, said:

At the moment, there's a lot of attention on Serc, because of Gamelon's double-vote joke, and his serious vote on Serc when he had 3 votes. The idea is that Gamelon was signalling Serc and then trying to distance later when conversations turned to signalling.

To me, it is interesting that Gamelon voted for Serc soon after it was suggested that the person who initially brings up signalling (i.e. Gamelon against Emurlahn) is doing so at least partly because they've done it themselves and wished to draw attention elsewhere/they were on the lookout for it from others because they themselves had done it.

Because of this, I think Serc is our best bet at the moment for an Emperor.

I think our next best bet might be Tiamatha. If we accept that Gamelon was right and that Emurlahn was another Civil official, then that 'I like you' comment directed at Tiamatha by Emurlahn looks pretty suspect. On the other hand, it was Tiamatha who brought up the idea of getting rid of Emperors as soon as possible so that the Usurper has fewer recruits.

Would an Emperor themselves suggest this. Well, yes. Because it means that Tiamatha might be the last place we look for an Emperor, as they themselves suggested hunting them ASAP. So the other two Emperors are killed off rapidly, leaving Tiamatha with less to fear.

So Serc, Tiamatha and Emurlahn are the ones I'm most wary of. At this point, I'm actually feeling most certain about Emur's role, but that also means I don't think he's one of the big dogs.

I actually was thinking along the same lines as this - Tiam was also making long speculations about Emur's supposed signaling, which I interpreted as possible distancing from the 'real' signal from Emur to Tiam.


(poor Emur, that'll teach'im to roleplay! )

Of course, few are putting any doubt on Serc's find claim (a few have, but not many), so the original reason for the train is dead.

[Kaschan]

Omtose, on 06 October 2011 - 02:28 AM, said:

Well that was some of the most interesting reading that I have done in a long time. After reading through all of that I am struck by 2 things the only reason that Tiam is at l-1 is that everyone kept following everyone else and saying that he was a distraction. Whereas I read him and thought that he tried everthing but throwing the kitchen sink at the thread to try to derail his lynch train. It is a shame that he is going to get lynched as he is fun to read. A lot better then the rest of "I agree it's a problem, Yes your right he is creating confusion" posts that people were dropping. The second thing is that Emu has started to make cases the old fashioned way and it is beautiful to behold. A pure joy reading that. Thank you.

Now I am a little irritated that so many of you were quick to buy into the thought that the phoenix represented the usurper but barely a peep when I said what the phoenix represented in ancient China. Drek puts clues in the scenes she has done so for each game. Drek also knows more about China history and legends then anyone else. So for her to put the phoenix into the mix in relation to the usurper is a obvious clue that a female character who hunts for the usurper has been activated. That the phoenix is the symbol of the south which is where the Yan are based out of. Makes it fairly obvious that a female character in the south has been activated who can hunt down the usurper.

I find certain styles of play irritating and right now Osserics is very grating to me. Very pushy in your face. Reading him is like tearing my eyes out with a jagged glass spoon.

I am definately not up on my chinese history or mythology, so I don't see the link between the phoenix representing the south and there being a female charater who hunts the usurper. Care to elaborate?

[Emurlahn]

earlier Omtose mentioned that in china

dragon=emperor

Pheonix=empress (hence female)
also, apparently in chinese magnetism (or smth.) phoenix=south



so, Omtose is putting the two together.



with all due drespect to him, though, I don't recall any female that stood in Sima Yi's way in Rot3K. now, if Omtose was to provide such a reference, I would be more amenable to that theory.

untill then, well we have a mention of pheonix in the original scene heralding the activation of Sima Yi. not being fully versed in Ancient China, i'm willing to accept that pheonix in this case is simply Sima's totem.

I'm ready to proven wrong, though.

[Kaschan]

I did catch the south reference to the phoenix, but missed the phoenix=empress one.

At this point I would agree that the phoenix reference has more to do with Sima Yi, and possibly his location, than with anyone who may be hunting him.

[Omtose]

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 02:54 AM, said:

earlier Omtose mentioned that in china

dragon=emperor

Pheonix=empress (hence female)
also, apparently in chinese magnetism (or smth.) phoenix=south



so, Omtose is putting the two together.



with all due drespect to him, though, I don't recall any female that stood in Sima Yi's way in Rot3K. now, if Omtose was to provide such a reference, I would be more amenable to that theory.

untill then, well we have a mention of pheonix in the original scene heralding the activation of Sima Yi. not being fully versed in Ancient China, i'm willing to accept that pheonix in this case is simply Sima's totem.

I'm ready to proven wrong, though.

Well in china the phoenix isn't the same as the phoenix that we know as the one that rises from the ashes. The only female who stood a chance of thwarting Sima was the Empress Dowager Guo. That role would have only been included in this game as it is the final game and the empire is the final prize. But until we reach SH i doubt that we will know if it has been included or not.

[Kaschan]

Also worth noting in reference to the female character bit:

Path-Shaper, on 04 October 2011 - 06:39 PM, said:

The Yan ruler, irate at being roused in the middle of the night, eyed the dishevelled and poorly dressed man accompanying his general disapprovingly. "And what, exactly, is this dirty peasant supposed to do for us, general?" "My lord, this is Guan Lu, the famed diviner of heaven's secrets and master of the stars. He sees events and people far away. He's already described for me the Lu emperor's castle defenses at Han Zhong!" Suspicious but intrigued, Huang Zhong asked Guan Lu to describe portentious events occuring in the world.

The mystic, who spoke only in riddles as mystics are wont to do, said to Zhong "A winged shadow descends upon a deserted village. Is it surprised? In the ancient capital, a man swallows and chokes on a phoenix. He dies and is born anew, but perhaps there are some who can tell the difference. The oxen charge against the wall again and again but they cannot find the door handle."

Huang Zhong, unimpressed, dismissed his general and returned to bed.

Night 2 is ended. No one died.

Underlining mine. Sounds like a man to me.

[Path-Shaper]

It is 227 AD. 3 hours and 13 minutes remaining
23 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

12 votes to lynch, 12 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Meanas ( Emurlahn )
11 Votes for Tiamatha ( Osseric, Tennes, Sheltatha Lore, Mockra, Sorritt, Karosis, Kessobahn, Rashan, Silanah, Okaros, Hood's Path )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Galain, Kaschan, Korlat, Meanas, Omtose, Ruse, Telas, Thyrllan, Tiamatha