[Emurlahn]

okay. finished a re-read.
gotta run, but 2 names come up repeatedly



Osseric and Meanas.

i would seem whomever these two mention ends up inevitably on the agenda for the day.

if you don't believe me, go back to the last page and read back , and tell me how they are not arranging for me to be the next lynch in line no matter what. they've been doing htis for most of the game, too. I strongly suspect we have an "emperor-PM" pairing in there.

theat being said, I need to run to class. i'll be back in about 4 hours, will post quotes then



in the meantme

vote Meanas

because his comma case got WAY too much atention early on. Ruse in particular is symping him HARD

[Sheltatha Lore]

OK, just have a second, I'm afraid I'll get busy and not make it back.


Vote Tiamatha


for reason I stated before, to clear the air & open up new lines of thought & a CF

I will try to check again before end of day

[Path-Shaper]

It is 227 AD. 10 hours and 9 minutes remaining
23 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

12 votes to lynch, 12 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Meanas ( Emurlahn )
11 Votes for Tiamatha ( Osseric, Tennes, Sheltatha Lore, Mockra, Sorritt, Karosis, Kessobahn, Rashan, Silanah, Okaros, Hood's Path )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Galain, Kaschan, Korlat, Meanas, Omtose, Ruse, Telas, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

[Silanah]

What the... really emur? What was the point of that vote. Tiam is gone, already. Gah! I want to get through this shitty day so we can do something better tomorrow.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Sorry, I didn't mean to put things at L-1 with 10 hours to go, guess I was off in my time and vote count


Remove vote


I'm waiting further opportunities for discussions

[Path-Shaper]

It is 227 AD. 9 hours remaining
23 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

12 votes to lynch, 12 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Meanas ( Emurlahn )
10 Votes for Tiamatha ( Osseric, Tennes, Mockra, Sorritt, Karosis, Kessobahn, Rashan, Silanah, Okaros, Hood's Path )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Galain, Kaschan, Korlat, Meanas, Omtose, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Telas, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

[Sheltatha Lore]

I'm about done for the day and may not make it back before time out. There hasn't been anybody around apparently


Vote Tiamatha

[Thyrllan]

Well it appears that my vote won't be necessary once more
There doesn't seem to be too much of a point in making any more cases at this stage.
Emur's point about the faction sizes is interesting. I think the only way we could hunt more Yan is through trying to see who, if anyone, was trying to get Serc out of trouble on Day 2.

Out of curiosity Emur, why aren't you voting Tiam? I know it's fairly moot at this point (hence my lack of vote), but to go and vote someone else makes it look as though you're decidedly NOT voting for her.

[Rashan]

Thyrllan, on 05 October 2011 - 11:14 PM, said:

Well it appears that my vote won't be necessary once more
There doesn't seem to be too much of a point in making any more cases at this stage.
Emur's point about the faction sizes is interesting. I think the only way we could hunt more Yan is through trying to see who, if anyone, was trying to get Serc out of trouble on Day 2.

Out of curiosity Emur, why aren't you voting Tiam? I know it's fairly moot at this point (hence my lack of vote), but to go and vote someone else makes it look as though you're decidedly NOT voting for her.

Why isn't your vote necessary? We still need one more vote to lynch Tiam.

[Emurlahn]

well, because I cleraly don't like the single-mindedness of the thread. especially since that single mindedness is already turning on me as the next likely target.
also, with 10 hours to go, why not get some more discussion in?

[Emurlahn]

as a side note, Kaschan and Galain have been pretty much non-entities in the game so far.
brb with the quotes I promised.

[Thyrllan]

@Rashan
at this stage, there's not much point hammering Tiam. I'll be around later if that's necessary, but somehow I doubt it will be.

@Emur
It's not all that single minded if people are prepared to look at you too. But I see where you coming from.

I've got to go, I should be back a bit closer to day's end.

[Okaros]

Emurlahn, on 05 October 2011 - 08:04 PM, said:

okay. finished a re-read.
gotta run, but 2 names come up repeatedly



Osseric and Meanas.

i would seem whomever these two mention ends up inevitably on the agenda for the day.

if you don't believe me, go back to the last page and read back , and tell me how they are not arranging for me to be the next lynch in line no matter what. they've been doing htis for most of the game, too. I strongly suspect we have an "emperor-PM" pairing in there.

theat being said, I need to run to class. i'll be back in about 4 hours, will post quotes then



in the meantme

vote Meanas

because his comma case got WAY too much atention early on. Ruse in particular is symping him HARD

It would have been awesome if you could have gathered their posts and provided a mega quoteso we could scrutinize without going through it all... which I will probably due after supper. Honestly though, I must also point out that this is quite a move to make when it seems Tiam is already out of play. I suppose it could have been because you figured there was more time in the day, or something of the like. Well, we won't know until you come online.

[Rashan]

Emurlahn, on 05 October 2011 - 11:47 PM, said:

well, because I cleraly don't like the single-mindedness of the thread. especially since that single mindedness is already turning on me as the next likely target.
also, with 10 hours to go, why not get some more discussion in?

Excellent idea. The discussion so far is absolutely riveting.

[Emurlahn]

Meanas, on 29 September 2011 - 12:54 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 29 September 2011 - 12:42 AM, said:

@ game: I suppose you are unfamiliar with how high society in Imperial China functioned, then, huh?



jeez, I suppose i'm not allowed to RP in a mafia ga,me anymore....

Perhaps this is in fact the true signal? The comma in game? And above that he refers to Gamelon as game. I think he's trying to tell Gamelon that they're on the same side and for him to back off. Interesting if I do say so myself.

Ruse, on 29 September 2011 - 12:56 AM, said:

Meanas, on 29 September 2011 - 12:54 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 29 September 2011 - 12:42 AM, said:

@ game: I suppose you are unfamiliar with how high society in Imperial China functioned, then, huh?



jeez, I suppose i'm not allowed to RP in a mafia ga,me anymore....

Perhaps this is in fact the true signal? The comma in game? And above that he refers to Gamelon as game. I think he's trying to tell Gamelon that they're on the same side and for him to back off. Interesting if I do say so myself.

I love it! This sort of stuff is why this game is so much fun.

Silanah, on 29 September 2011 - 01:02 AM, said:

Meanas, on 29 September 2011 - 12:54 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 29 September 2011 - 12:42 AM, said:

@ game: I suppose you are unfamiliar with how high society in Imperial China functioned, then, huh?



jeez, I suppose i'm not allowed to RP in a mafia ga,me anymore....

Perhaps this is in fact the true signal? The comma in game? And above that he refers to Gamelon as game. I think he's trying to tell Gamelon that they're on the same side and for him to back off. Interesting if I do say so myself.

Hot damn. This got interesting fast!

ok, this is how the fiasco started.
when I made an attempt at rebuttal, Osseric came in and voted Gamelon. then Sorrit came on, and produced the whole "Gamelon is signalling Serc" theory. much speculation about me followed, resulting in this:

Osseric, on 29 September 2011 - 10:39 AM, said:

I'm also wondering why the hell Emurlahn chose to "signal" Ruse about his theory. Ruse never said anything to him, it was Meneas who picked up his ga,me bit

I think he can haz my vote eventually.

more discussion of Gamelon ensues, Osseric pokes holes at Gamelon's reasosning. then, wehn discussing Game's idea that I tried too hard to signal i'm a civvie

Osseric, on 29 September 2011 - 01:37 PM, said:

Ironically, I don't disagree with him.

I just find the subsequent coma-gate quite intriguing and worth poking at.

lots of discussion follows, including Gamelon voting Serc, people questioning his reasons to do so, etc.,

in this, Meanas takes the decidedly middle-man role: (note: I am merging 2 consecutive quotes into one here to conserve quotespace)

Meanas, on 29 September 2011 - 10:58 PM, said:

Interesting that Gamelon decides to vote, with unconvincing reasoning, for the player that it's been suggested he might have signalled to at the very beginning of the game in Serc. Trying to avoid that accusation again much? It seems to me that Gamelon is slightly panicking. He's seeing that votes are beginning to be evenly split between himself and Emurlahn, abandons the Emur case - which he proclaims as just fishing for reactions - and targets the guy who forms part of the case on himself.

For someone who's urging others to look around and find suspicious activity in other players, this stinks of self-preservation play. Not that that definitively makes Gamelon an important player - I only note that there is certainly more than a whiff of worry about him.

On the other side of the coin, Emurlahn's dismissive responses are suspicious themselves. Yeah, the case was flimsy, but the replies just ring alarm bells for me. I dunno, it's more of a gut feeling that, through good or lucky play, Gamelon et al might have cottoned on to something by highlighting Emurlahn. Need to think about this.

then, right after, Gamelon goes and makes his "I admit i'm guilty of promoting the loud=unimportant, quiet=power role dichotomy to make myself look safe" post (which I won't reproduce here, because, it's long, and has 5 or 6 quotes embedded in it) it's post 204 for those who are interested. this, I consider the turning point of Day 1, since it makes him a prime and easy lynch target. this is followed by a cascade of votes (Korlat, Omtose, Silanah, Okaros (with reservation that he wants to give Game a chance to talk), Atrahal, Ruse, Kesso, Serc, and then Rashan and Karosis (all being a "it's a train, we need a lynch votes))
summary of Day 1:

the important bits (for the sake of this case), are the initial attention given to the comma "case" once it was brought up bt Meanas, there are immidiately 2 voices (Ruse and Silanah) that speak up to the effect of "oh, how interesting! this is suspicious!" the motif that is carried on by more players.

throughout the day, both Meanas and Osseric weighted Gamelon and me as equallly likely lynch subjects, taking a decidedly middle of the road approach up until Game's post 204, at which a lynch followed. Neither one was around during the buildup of the train, so noinferences can be drawn as to how they would have reacted to it at the time.



Day 2 coming up next.

This post has been edited by Emurlahn: 06 October 2011 - 12:30 AM

[Atrahal]

Just passing thru. To friging tired to get properly caught up tonight. RL is just to crazy today. Again sorry I will try to get some time tomorrow.

[Emurlahn]

night 2 starts with a monster post from Tiam

then Sorrit comes on, finds some more signals from me, then Osseric begins to plant the seeds of the next lynch at night: (post 278)

Osseric, on 30 September 2011 - 12:31 PM, said:

I find this interesting:

Path-Shaper, on 29 September 2011 - 08:06 PM, said:

Vote Count

It is 225 AD (Day 1). 10 hours and 4 minutes remaining
25 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

13 votes to lynch, 13 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for Gamelon ( Osseric, Sorritt, Emurlahn )
3 Votes for Emurlahn ( Gamelon, Okaros, Serc )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

At this point, I think it could have been going either way between Gamelon and Emurlahn. I know, for one, that I wouldn't have minded changing my vote for Emurlahn.

And then, shortly after:

Gamelon, on 29 September 2011 - 09:20 PM, said:

Serc, on 29 September 2011 - 04:16 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 29 September 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

I am here briefly, as i'm nearly late for class.

as someone pointed out, your typical qwerty keyboard has a comma next to the m.



so htere, m,eanas!
now, since people don't seem capable of letting it go:



vote Gamelon

because oh, my, god, your case sucks



back in a few hours

I think this is a bogus post. Just because the [,] and [m] keys are next to each other on the keyboard...justifies nothing. And you seem to have deliberately made the same mistake just to prove that point? And then a deliberate OMGUS vote. None of this sits well with me. The hiding-in-plain-sight thing - trying to downplay things that would otherwise be suspicious by pointing them out, drawing attention to them, or deliberately being obvious about them - well, it's too early in the game for this to get a pass, I think.

Vote Emurlahn

Of course, the other problem right now is that with so many people playing, half of everyone (myself included) has 5 posts or fewer, and so at this point the nail that sticks up tends to get hammered down. Not a lot of other options, though.

OK, this stinks. So there aren't a lot of options? Well make some options then! But of course, that would involve sticking your head over the parapet and risk people looking at you critically, and we can't have that.

Serc, on 29 September 2011 - 06:01 PM, said:

I'm getting cozy with whom? Gamelon? Fuck Gamelon. Due to his involvement with Emurlahn I see him as the next best target besides Emur. I mentioned earlier that it looked like Game was trying to distance himself from Emur with a vote after their initial interaction. Or did you mean I was getting cozy with Emurlahn? Anyone who thinks there was any interaction between Emurlahn and I needs to reread the thread. My first response and comment to him was followed by a vote on him. Somehow people just started saying, "yeah, those interactions between serc/game/emur!!!" when in reality...the interactions are all between Gamelon and someone else.

I think your problem is you want to find Emur's Emperor and lynch him on day 1. Odds are that isn't going to happen. We have very little info to base a lynch on; it's day 1, that's how it is. The best option is to find the most suspicious interactions, explore them if possible, and lynch someone involved. You even say you're ok with an Emurlahn vote but you'd rather lynch the person he was signaling - great, that's exactly what I said when I voted, so how can you criticize me for following the line of thought you are putting forward? I smell hypocrisy and dissembling.

You think players with good roles are going to do anything that even remotely rocks the boat on Day 1 given that philosophy? No, they're just going to play along with the first thing that comes along. Which is exactly what you're suggesting everyone else does.




I've been looking for people who are trying to lay low. Of all those on thread, Serc looks the most suspicious. He wants to drive home the first thing that comes along and is unwilling to search for other options, despite acknowledging that it would be nice if there were some.

Remove Vote

Vote Serc

Looks like Gamelon jumps out of Emurlahn's train, onto Serc. I'm not sure what that was for (I don't think anyone would think that Serc would be speed-lynched at that point), so it feels like Gamelon went from "staying-alive" mode to "damage control" mode, possibly because he realized that even if he stayed alive on day 1 he would probably be back on the block for day 2, so he decided to take care of dissociating from Serc.

talk then turns on serc, with Okaros providing a "distancing" case.

Meanas pops in at post 310, but only comments on the night post.



then tiam makes the "we need to hunt down the other emperors" post. (314)


followed by this:

Meanas, on 30 September 2011 - 11:27 PM, said:

At the moment, there's a lot of attention on Serc, because of Gamelon's double-vote joke, and his serious vote on Serc when he had 3 votes. The idea is that Gamelon was signalling Serc and then trying to distance later when conversations turned to signalling.

To me, it is interesting that Gamelon voted for Serc soon after it was suggested that the person who initially brings up signalling (i.e. Gamelon against Emurlahn) is doing so at least partly because they've done it themselves and wished to draw attention elsewhere/they were on the lookout for it from others because they themselves had done it.

Because of this, I think Serc is our best bet at the moment for an Emperor.

I think our next best bet might be Tiamatha. If we accept that Gamelon was right and that Emurlahn was another Civil official, then that 'I like you' comment directed at Tiamatha by Emurlahn looks pretty suspect. On the other hand, it was Tiamatha who brought up the idea of getting rid of Emperors as soon as possible so that the Usurper has fewer recruits.

Would an Emperor themselves suggest this. Well, yes. Because it means that Tiamatha might be the last place we look for an Emperor, as they themselves suggested hunting them ASAP. So the other two Emperors are killed off rapidly, leaving Tiamatha with less to fear.

So Serc, Tiamatha and Emurlahn are the ones I'm most wary of. At this point, I'm actually feeling most certain about Emur's role, but that also means I don't think he's one of the big dogs.

how convenient. the agenda is being set.

followed by (predictably)

Ruse, on 01 October 2011 - 12:25 AM, said:

Meanas, on 30 September 2011 - 11:27 PM, said:

At the moment, there's a lot of attention on Serc, because of Gamelon's double-vote joke, and his serious vote on Serc when he had 3 votes. The idea is that Gamelon was signalling Serc and then trying to distance later when conversations turned to signalling.

To me, it is interesting that Gamelon voted for Serc soon after it was suggested that the person who initially brings up signalling (i.e. Gamelon against Emurlahn) is doing so at least partly because they've done it themselves and wished to draw attention elsewhere/they were on the lookout for it from others because they themselves had done it.

Because of this, I think Serc is our best bet at the moment for an Emperor.

I think our next best bet might be Tiamatha. If we accept that Gamelon was right and that Emurlahn was another Civil official, then that 'I like you' comment directed at Tiamatha by Emurlahn looks pretty suspect. On the other hand, it was Tiamatha who brought up the idea of getting rid of Emperors as soon as possible so that the Usurper has fewer recruits.

Would an Emperor themselves suggest this. Well, yes. Because it means that Tiamatha might be the last place we look for an Emperor, as they themselves suggested hunting them ASAP. So the other two Emperors are killed off rapidly, leaving Tiamatha with less to fear.

So Serc, Tiamatha and Emurlahn are the ones I'm most wary of. At this point, I'm actually feeling most certain about Emur's role, but that also means I don't think he's one of the big dogs.

I actually was thinking along the same lines as this - Tiam was also making long speculations about Emur's supposed signaling, which I interpreted as possible distancing from the 'real' signal from Emur to Tiam.


(poor Emur, that'll teach'im to roleplay! )

Osseric then goes on to attack Tiam in post 321

Karosis, and Okaros, all restate the sequence: serc, Tiam

then Mockra comes on, also says that we need to go Serc and Tiam, and then gets in a pissing match with Tiam.



silanah, our second possible symp, comes in

Silanah, on 03 October 2011 - 02:45 AM, said:

So exhausted. Serc seems like the obvious lynch target, as of right now, but the majority of players have not posted today, so we'll see how this goes in the morning.

Sorrit comes, in, votes Tiam.


Osseric puts more pressure on Tiam. who follows this pressure with a vote?

Ruse, on 03 October 2011 - 12:42 PM, said:

Osseric, on 03 October 2011 - 10:08 AM, said:

I agree with Karosis that Tiam's obsession about lynching Emperors just to screw the Userper might also be a way to disguise her own Emperor-ness.

Tiamatha, on 03 October 2011 - 06:47 AM, said:

Since you 'read' these posts, and what I have been saying so far, kindly explain to me which part of <It's not just a 5% chance to lynch the Usurper and get him out of the game, there is still a different way that will net us a 33% chance to put a major stop to his plans> did you not understand?

Regardless, I have just a question for Tiamantha: assuming you're saying all this in good faith, what if the Usurper is screwed by the early death of your Emperor? You want to hunt him still? Is that really helping you? Or did you never ask yourself because you do not have one? (Ok, that last question is a bit leading )

TBH, it seems like Tiam is playing a "win win" situation. It's not that his posts don't make sense, it's that under scrutiny they seem to be very self-serving. Of course, we are all self serving in this game, but the necessity to "push the agenda" makes me want to vote Tiam more than Serc.

I find myself agreeing with Kesso about the wifom bombs. I don't like that one bit, since wifom is the spice of the naughty.

One vote isn't enough to apply real pressure, so I'll go ahead and

Vote Tiam

as well.

why, our dear old Ruse!

at this point, Meanas puts his vote on Serc

Meanas, on 03 October 2011 - 01:50 PM, said:

I'm happy to vote for either Serc or Tiamatha, but as of right now, I feel more certain about Serc's role. That is, all the analysis and theorising being thrown about only suggest one role for Serc - as Gamelon's Emperor. Whereas the same is not the case for Tiamatha - most seem to be agreed that he has some kind of power role, but unsure as to which one it is exactly. So for now, I will:

Vote Serc


Edit: spelling

at this point, Meanas is pushing for Serc. Osseric for Tiamatha.

next 2 Osseric posts are merged:

Osseric, on 03 October 2011 - 02:47 PM, said:

I'm not certain voting Serc would count as "derailing". It was 2-2 before your vote.

In a way Meanas is right that we have more clues as to who Serc could be. However, being a "known" makes me slightly less eager to lynch him today than Tiamantha, who is an "unknown". I'm still in between the two right now, I'm waiting to hear from more people and I hope Tiamantha.

Just to clarify myself a bit more:

Since I think Serc is indeed Gamelon's emperor, voting him would be some good ol' fashion Culture hunting which could indeed, as Tiamantha said, hurt the Usurper also. On the other hand, Serc is "exposed", and it''s interesting to see how people react around him (like Barghast up there already comparing voting Serc to "derailing", hoping to scare people from doing it?), and if Tiam is a power role/warlord, I'd rather lynch her today than give her another night.

from here, we get nother vote on Tiam (karosis) Sorrit comes on, expresses worry over how fast that train is moving. Okaros votes Serc. I vote Serc.

Osseric votes Tiam

Tennes and Telas both put in a "i'm not sold on Tiam, Serc is better" vote. this is starting to look like a train.


Tiam comes on, there is some discussion, Barghast, Atrahal, and korlat and Sheltatha vote Serc.

[Emurlahn]

oops, pressed "post by mistake.

day 2 continued. to recap:

Meanas voted Serc, citing me and Tiam as likely to be next.

Osseric spoke up against Tiam. Ruse votes Tiam. votes are fairly evenly spread. Osseric votes Tiam.


more votes pile up on serc. a few go to tiam, prior to the big reveal at post 412

Silanah gets on to vote Tiam.

Tiam shows up, a back and forth with Serc ensues.

Mockra and Galain vote Tiam votes are 11 for serc, 9 for tiam.

a few people remove Tiam votes. looks like we're talking before a hammer on serc. Omtose puts him at L-1

Tiam produces a Mockra case. puts Serc at L-2



Ossric shows up, sees the reveal. solution? lynch them both!

Osseric, on 04 October 2011 - 06:59 AM, said:

Well, paranoid dementia aside, the solution is clear.

They're both lying, we'll find out by lynching one of them.

Serc gave a real find, it still doesn't mean he's not Gamelon's Emperor. We'll find out by lynching him.

remove vote

vote Serc


One more question I have: If Serc is a real finder, why didn't he reveal Tiam as a powerful role, even as a lie? If he's honest on thread, he knows her faction, so unless he has reasons to keep her alive he can just lie and say "she's the Usurper!". We might lynch him first, see he's a finder from the CF, then go for Tiam after, and later find out he was lying about her. Serc can snigger in spoiler heaven that he brought an opponent down with him. As of now, he's basically defending her.

Meanas agrees: in the

Meanas, on 04 October 2011 - 07:54 AM, said:

Wow, lots has been happening since I last posted I see. But...I think I'll keep my vote where it is. I don't doubt Serc's reveal of Tiamatha's identity actually, but Tiam at least becomes a known quantity then, and we can even roughly guess where they are on the map. Serc, however, is still an unknown. No, I no longer think that Serc is an Emperor, so the case on him pretty much goes out of the window, but there is the possibility that they are a more powerful role than Tiam.

The voters on Serc are in a somewhat impossible situation themselves. There is the risk that Serc is in my faction, of course, but to switch now would get others guessing on what faction I am in, and I don't want that so early in the game.

This new case of Tiam's on Mockra....I bet when Mockra was asking for other suspects, they weren't expecting Tiam to pull them out However, it strikes me that the case is built on Mockra's interaction with Tiamatha and not a lot else - it just makes it seem as if Tiam got aggravated by Mockra's calls for other suspects (and it is a little annoying, if Mockra is so unsure about the two in front of them, then why not say who they themselves are suspicious of?) and decided that 'aggravating' and 'suspicious' amount to the same thing. It's something to keep in mind, but the CF of whoever is lynched may throw up other leads also.

some discussion and a back and forth between Kesso and osseric ensues, in the end, Kesso hammers Serc.



Day 2 summary.

essentially, at this point, we have had several players emerge as "authorities" in the game. these are Sorritt, Osseric, and to a lesser extent, Meanas. they are early on trains, and they are followed on trains a lot. Sorrit has been involved in making cases on each of the likely lynchees so far. Osseric and Meanas are being followed by Ruse and Silanah. Osseric and Meanas seem to have nearly identical reasoning. in everything.

Also, to note: both Osseric and Meanas submitted the "serc, then tiam, then emur" lynch strategy at the beginnig of day 2. if nothing else, anyone reading htis should wonder why they are being led so as not to even consider another option so far.

[Emurlahn]

Day 3

starts off discussing Tiam.

Sorrit makes the case against Tiam, read Cen Pi's description wrong. a fact pointed out by Kesso, and, a few points leter, me

Menaas is back on:

Meanas, on 04 October 2011 - 08:53 PM, said:

So Serc has been lynched then. I believe his find, which means I believe that Tiam is this Cen Pi, likely some kind of military officer, and of the Xia faction.

I'm not surprised that Emurlahn has piped up to tell people to let go of chasing Tiam, because I reckon Emurlahn is Xia as well.

Tiamatha is starting to sound so whiny, seriously. I know you were under pressure, but you're really lashing out at anyone who says anything in your direction. And the whole 'sent a notice' thing out is starting to be really convoluted too, something Tiam's accused others of doing when trying to work their way to a solution.

Sheltatha suggest that maybe we should look for other avenues aside from Tiam's lynch

meanas says: NO WAI

Meanas, on 04 October 2011 - 10:31 PM, said:

I don't see a lot of other avenues at the moment. What do we get from the Serc lynch train? Well, it probably contains a lot of non-Lu faction voters. Why? Because most of them put their votes on Serc back when the case was that he was connected to the Lu-factioned Gamelon. I don't think we can strongly argue that the last few votes were attempted distancing either, because it was always a close thing between Tiam and Serc - they could just as easily have piled on to Tiam instead.

So does that then make the last few voters, after Serc's reveal, more likely to be of the Xia faction, same as Tiam? Perhaps.

and whpo comes on to reinforce Meanas? why, no other then Ruse, of course

Ruse, on 05 October 2011 - 03:31 AM, said:

That all sounds completely plausible. There is probably a wrinkle in there somewhere, but that makes sense.

A Tiam lynch would have all of the numbers of the 3 dynasties evened out, and the warlords licking their chops as they would be yet untouched.

Osseric comes on, and startes to look at me again.

Osseric, on 05 October 2011 - 07:12 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 04 October 2011 - 08:43 PM, said:

back from nap (good)

gotta go to class and then work (bad)



people still can't move on past Tiam, it seems. to thepoint of failing reading comprehension.

Looking at the post count, Emurlahn is one of the highest poster. And yet I don't remember him confronting any of the other players, and coming out with anything of value except the occasional nodding to what is said and facebook posts. Besides also the comma business which he handled miserably.

You keep saying Yan is the biggest faction. Where do you get that? What's your point? You want to hunt Yan, say it. Don't just drop some lame hints and complain that people don't get them. You want to hunt Yan? Serc was Yan. What did Serc do? What did Serc say? You want to do something and get your ideas through instead of cruising along? Cause so far Emurlahn is hiding in plain sight.

well, with Meanas working on Tiam, we need a ground for tomorrow's lynch, don't we? why not look at Korlat, or Sheltatha, or Omtose, or Telas, Or Galain/Kacshan/Tennes/Hood's Path? a number of these could be said to have "not confronted anyone" but no, we want to stay nice and focused on only one way of thinking. because that's benefitial for everyone.


Sorrit makes a mention of HP, maybe a low poster?

Osseric responds by keeping the focus on the agenda:

Osseric, on 05 October 2011 - 07:35 AM, said:

I'm a bit surprised about the lack of pressure on Tiam so far today.

Comment 1: Was Serc telling the truth about her? Well, we know Serc was a CO with finding abilities, and he was Yan. He revealed Tiam as Xia. What did he have to win by lying?

Comment 2: We know the Usurper appeared last night, with a nice "pheonix reborn" scene that also tells us that he is in one of the three "empire" factions. We know Tiam is part of the empire factions. Her revealed name doesn't fit, but was the Usurper called Sima Yi from the start? (i.e. can she be found before activating?).

Now, if someone can explain to me why the Usurper should be in Yan, I'm all ears, because I'm not sure I get it. If that's the case, maybe we should indeed try to re-read and figure out candidates from Serc's posts, but if the Usurper is a civil official, Serc would not necesserally know of him. It would not be an easy task

Comment 3: Tiam's faction is revealed in a faction game. Sorry, but she's a dead woman walking. Everyone but his team should want her lynched, and his team can't afford to sound hesitant. Unless those looking for her location are trying to get her vigged, but meh.

vote Tiam

Tiam gets on, makes the "chat post"

it earns her a lot of rep, ad a cascade of votes

Mockra, sorrit Karosis, Kesso, Rashan



then Osseric intervenes: he wants to stay in charge of the agenda:

Osseric, on 05 October 2011 - 11:37 AM, said:

I didn't mean to advocate a speedy lynch; but when I came, there was already a third of the day passed and nothing much was happening.

I, for one, would like to hear from Emurlahn (and I don't mean to tell us what is the next step in his schedule.)

and, my-my, but who agrees with him? (i'll let you guess)

Ruse, on 05 October 2011 - 11:45 AM, said:

I voted for Tiam yesterday, and I'm perfectly happy to put my vote down there again. I'm entertained by his recent long posts, but not necessarily impressed so to speak.

As for alternative targets, I have two places I'd be willing to look. Lurking cruisers at the bottem of the post count and Emurlahn, who has posted remarkably little and thumbed his nose at the results despite having sparked off this entire damn thing to begin with. It strikes me as a well played indifference while the wave of attention flows elsewhere.

reinforced by Meanas:

Meanas, on 05 October 2011 - 12:54 PM, said:

I'm only here for a couple of minutes, but will be back again later hopefully. I agree with the notice of Emurlahn, as I suggested before, that could be someone worth looking at as well. Their quantity as opposed to quality of posts has been noted - a hiding in plain sight. So there are things for us to look at after Tiamatha's lynch, if that's the way the day goes.

Moreover, with each CF you can put more pieces together about who's in what faction, so I for one don't see any dead ends resulting from the focus on Tiamatha.

and silanah

Silanah, on 05 October 2011 - 12:57 PM, said:

16 users reading this topic.

I read through, not particularly impressed by Tiam's wordthoughts, I see a lynch incoming.

I don't have time right now to make any cases, but we should start looking, if Tiam is lynched, we don't have a lot of information to work with.

Although, I forgot about emur. Didn't he start all of this?

look at the undelined part. did Ruse get a personal echo?



bached up by another:

Tennes, on 05 October 2011 - 04:21 PM, said:

Back and caught up.

Osseric, on 05 October 2011 - 07:12 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 04 October 2011 - 08:43 PM, said:

back from nap (good)

gotta go to class and then work (bad)



people still can't move on past Tiam, it seems. to thepoint of failing reading comprehension.

Looking at the post count, Emurlahn is one of the highest poster. And yet I don't remember him confronting any of the other players, and coming out with anything of value except the occasional nodding to what is said and facebook posts. Besides also the comma business which he handled miserably.

You keep saying Yan is the biggest faction. Where do you get that? What's your point? You want to hunt Yan, say it. Don't just drop some lame hints and complain that people don't get them. You want to hunt Yan? Serc was Yan. What did Serc do? What did Serc say? You want to do something and get your ideas through instead of cruising along? Cause so far Emurlahn is hiding in plain sight.

This is a good post. After gaining huge heat on day one. Emur basically vanishes. But it definately can be seen by this post that he is still trying to manipulate where we are looking. I would be fine with a Tiam lynch, or an Emur lynch.

Emur, for a classic overextension followed by a vanishing act. Tiam..well, because all we seem to be able to talk about it Tiam. Her lynch would get us moving forward, as well as shed some light a little better on Faction lines.

interesting fact: Tennes followed Meanas on the Ser lynch Day 2

Korlat, on 05 October 2011 - 04:29 PM, said:

Tennes, on 05 October 2011 - 04:21 PM, said:

Back and caught up.

Osseric, on 05 October 2011 - 07:12 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 04 October 2011 - 08:43 PM, said:

back from nap (good)

gotta go to class and then work (bad)



people still can't move on past Tiam, it seems. to thepoint of failing reading comprehension.

Looking at the post count, Emurlahn is one of the highest poster. And yet I don't remember him confronting any of the other players, and coming out with anything of value except the occasional nodding to what is said and facebook posts. Besides also the comma business which he handled miserably.

You keep saying Yan is the biggest faction. Where do you get that? What's your point? You want to hunt Yan, say it. Don't just drop some lame hints and complain that people don't get them. You want to hunt Yan? Serc was Yan. What did Serc do? What did Serc say? You want to do something and get your ideas through instead of cruising along? Cause so far Emurlahn is hiding in plain sight.

This is a good post. After gaining huge heat on day one. Emur basically vanishes. But it definately can be seen by this post that he is still trying to manipulate where we are looking. I would be fine with a Tiam lynch, or an Emur lynch.

Emur, for a classic overextension followed by a vanishing act. Tiam..well, because all we seem to be able to talk about it Tiam. Her lynch would get us moving forward, as well as shed some light a little better on Faction lines.

More than the day 1 signalling case I find the way emur slipped under the radar and makes a lot of post with little content but likes to point the finger a lot more suspicious. I think it would be interesting to see what he has to say and he would be a good avenue to explore and hopefully this time he will not just dismiss everyones concerns but actually answer them.

Sorrit, on 05 October 2011 - 04:32 PM, said:

I would be happy to switch my vote to Emur for the reasons stated above, Tiam has given us nothing with the amount of pressure building on him whereas Emur could let something slip, we have enough time yet to decide which one would be the better lynch

I can see the future. my lynch train tomorrow will be composed of the following people.....


to those reading the thread (who aren't loyal to Osseric or Meanas): how often do we have such marvelous unanimity in a faction mafia game?

setting aside the fact that i'm the target for a second, think back: is is not strange how day after day we hear the same argumanet from the same few people, and it's being repeated verbatim by others? is it not strange that every "policy remark" Osseric or Meanas utters is followed by Ruse (or less often) Silanah saying "I agree with every word you say"

I am not sure who these people are. probably not all of them are grouped together. but out of the grouping Osseric-Meanas-Sorrit, I guarantee you will find at least one, if not more power roles.

[Emurlahn]

okay, i'm done for now.

have to do homework. this took several hours.