[Karosis]

Telas, on 05 October 2011 - 08:51 AM, said:

I have to ask about this, not having paid attention to all the games before in the series, what is D'rek's view on hints in the night and day scenes? I generally assume that there are none but it seems as if that's not the case here. Is that how it was in the previous games too?

if i remember correctly there was lots of info in the scenes, but always obscure enough that nothing could be said to be solid "evidence"

[Mockra]

Telas, if you read the OP, it says there that hints to the locations in which actions are happening within in the game will appear within the scenes.

As for Tiamatha, that's a very nice long way of saying that yes, we have no real way of finding out what you are unless we lynch you

[Mockra]

Indeed, all Tiamatha's done now is cast doubt on their identity as Cen Pi - so what does that bring us back to? Oh yeah, they could be anything - Usurper, Warlord, Emperor, etc etc.

[Karosis]

Telas, on 05 October 2011 - 09:00 AM, said:

Osseric, on 05 October 2011 - 07:35 AM, said:

I'm a bit surprised about the lack of pressure on Tiam so far today.

Comment 1: Was Serc telling the truth about her? Well, we know Serc was a CO with finding abilities, and he was Yan. He revealed Tiam as Xia. What did he have to win by lying?

Comment 2: We know the Usurper appeared last night, with a nice "pheonix reborn" scene that also tells us that he is in one of the three "empire" factions. We know Tiam is part of the empire factions. Her revealed name doesn't fit, but was the Usurper called Sima Yi from the start? (i.e. can she be found before activating?).

Now, if someone can explain to me why the Usurper should be in Yan, I'm all ears, because I'm not sure I get it. If that's the case, maybe we should indeed try to re-read and figure out candidates from Serc's posts, but if the Usurper is a civil official, Serc would not necesserally know of him. It would not be an easy task

Comment 3: Tiam's faction is revealed in a faction game. Sorry, but she's a dead woman walking. Everyone but his team should want her lynched, and his team can't afford to sound hesitant. Unless those looking for her location are trying to get her vigged, but meh.

vote Tiam

This posts brings up several points of discussion, and I'll try to use it thus to comments on the relevant ones. Yes, I decide what is relevant. It is known.

First, Serc's reveal is still very strange to my mind. He presumably didn't lie about being a finder, however, I cannot understand what he wanted to accomplish with his reveal. Look, he revealed Tiamatha's role and thus his own, which was a rather strange move considering his role being a better lynch target than that of Tiamatha. He basically gave us a better reason to lynch him than we had before, and it boggles my mind that he didn't understand that right away.

That's why this whole thing confuses me a little. It's too daft to be entirely believable.

he was about to get lynched....people who walk the green mile will try anything to not go any further.

The way i see it is it was the last throw of the dice....didnt pay off tho.

[Mockra]

@ Telas:

I think Serc revealed because at the time he was being accused of being an Emperor. He wanted to show that, see, "I'm not an Emperor, and I can prove it coz I can do finds and stuff", which of course was a bit of a flawed arguement. He may have also hoped that with an identity being revealed, we would automatically go for the revealed role first.

[Barghast]

Y'know Tiam, that post sounds awfully like you're insulting the rest of us as dumb clunges. You've been awfully dismissive and quite petty/whiny of everything others ask/ suggest but have failed consistently to answer questions, explain HOW you want to set your scheme of Usurper hunting in motion, or come up with anything else, preferring to just make massive posts that amount to usurper must die and add an upturned nose as if someone offered you a turd for dinner to your near every comment of yesterday.

Moreso, why would D'rek reveal people's current/ past locations in stories with accuracy? it would be highly disadvantageous to the named, especially if they are still alive, and very advantageous for other factions, especially if the named are dead, knowing that the named tile has lost 1 occupant and is therefore worth trying to move into.

So, before you went into your self-congratulatory masturbation mode where the production of said wanking is smeared over our collective faces as a token of your esteem, you might have wondered at the implications of some of your suggestions in that post and ask yourself if D'rek, who has a perfect eye for balance, would do this to the crowning achievement of the R0t3K game .

Secondly, you question Serc's find by toying with locations.
You base Cen Pi's on his location on D'rek's link. You base Serc's on a couple of day-end stories.
There's a problem with both. With Cen Pi's balance may force D'rek to give people a different location for the sake of balance. You breeze past that.
And the problems of revealing current/past tiles of someone as a mod, I just highlighted above.

Finally, the faction lines may become fairly visible after lynching a suspected Xia, which can be a massive advantage for quite a few people.

[Telas]

Mockra, on 05 October 2011 - 09:06 AM, said:

@ Telas:

I think Serc revealed because at the time he was being accused of being an Emperor. He wanted to show that, see, "I'm not an Emperor, and I can prove it coz I can do finds and stuff", which of course was a bit of a flawed arguement. He may have also hoped that with an identity being revealed, we would automatically go for the revealed role first.

Hm, I'd forgotten the whole Emperor thing. That's a good point. Still, considering where the game was the obvious choice would've been to lie and make up a more juicy role for Tiam.

[Telas]

Ah well, coffee is made and I have applications to make. Cheerio.

[Mockra]

I'm finding it difficult to look past Tiam, and Tiam themselves is not making it easy to look past them. Now Tiam has cast doubt on their supposed identity as Cen Pi, I'm even more intrigued to see what the CF says. Personally, I think that Serc was telling the truth, and the reason Tiam is casting doubt on is in an attempt to not be pigeonholed into one particular faction.

Vote Tiamatha

[Sorrit]

Tiam that post will get you rep after the game, I enjoyed reading through that.



Vote Tiam



Let's find out who you really are then, that is what it says to me.

[Karosis]

Telas, on 05 October 2011 - 09:17 AM, said:

Mockra, on 05 October 2011 - 09:06 AM, said:

@ Telas:

I think Serc revealed because at the time he was being accused of being an Emperor. He wanted to show that, see, "I'm not an Emperor, and I can prove it coz I can do finds and stuff", which of course was a bit of a flawed arguement. He may have also hoped that with an identity being revealed, we would automatically go for the revealed role first.

Hm, I'd forgotten the whole Emperor thing. That's a good point. Still, considering where the game was the obvious choice would've been to lie and make up a more juicy role for Tiam.

except serc would then have been immediately lynched for lying about his reveal.
His only play was to tell the truth and hope we lynched Tiam and got the CF he said we would get.
Proving that he aint no usurper or emperor. (Or at least that the chances are slim)

[Karosis]

yep....ill add my vote too.

Vote Tiam


dont see any other revelations happening and i think tiam would have revealed anything juicy by now if he had anything on anyone.
Its heading to fake reveal time territory anyways.

[Sorrit]

Crosspost with Mockra here, it's not a follow on vote, it was just what I was going to do anyway.

[Karosis]

Sorrit, on 05 October 2011 - 09:27 AM, said:

Crosspost with Mockra here, it's not a follow on vote, it was just what I was going to do anyway.

scared of being seen as a follow on vote are we

[Kessobahn]

I have caught up. Despite one of the funniest posts I have seen in a game of Mafia, I still think you are Xia, and it is obvious we aren't going to get past you, Tiam.

We can't quit you, so we must vote for you!
Vote Tiam

After that I agree with whoever said we should lynch low posters, especially someone with less posts than D'rek, assuming they don't get modkilled first.

[Tiamatha]

Barghast, on 05 October 2011 - 09:11 AM, said:

Y'know Tiam, that post sounds awfully like you're insulting the rest of us as dumb clunges. You've been awfully dismissive and quite petty/whiny of everything others ask/ suggest but have failed consistently to answer questions, explain HOW you want to set your scheme of Usurper hunting in motion, or come up with anything else, preferring to just make massive posts that amount to usurper must die and add an upturned nose as if someone offered you a turd for dinner to your near every comment of yesterday.

Moreso, why would D'rek reveal people's current/ past locations in stories with accuracy? it would be highly disadvantageous to the named, especially if they are still alive, and very advantageous for other factions, especially if the named are dead, knowing that the named tile has lost 1 occupant and is therefore worth trying to move into.

So, before you went into your self-congratulatory masturbation mode where the production of said wanking is smeared over our collective faces as a token of your esteem, you might have wondered at the implications of some of your suggestions in that post and ask yourself if D'rek, who has a perfect eye for balance, would do this to the crowning achievement of the R0t3K game .

Secondly, you question Serc's find by toying with locations.
You base Cen Pi's on his location on D'rek's link. You base Serc's on a couple of day-end stories.
There's a problem with both. With Cen Pi's balance may force D'rek to give people a different location for the sake of balance. You breeze past that.
And the problems of revealing current/past tiles of someone as a mod, I just highlighted above.

Finally, the faction lines may become fairly visible after lynching a suspected Xia, which can be a massive advantage for quite a few people.

Get off the soap box, before I knock you off.

I was trying to be entertaining while questioning Rashan's post and his thesis upon tile movements... A Rashan post which others have read and agreed with, in this here thread. I guess he is allowed to post something like that, while I am not.

Your entire first paragraph is a total joke. I wasn't obligated to stall Serc's lynch, neither try to buy time and try to get more information out in the public, yet I did - even if I knew that basically his 180 degree stunt would fuck me over today, regardless of my behavior. So I haven't been avoiding questions, neither have I been hiding behind my finger. I just happened to not give answers to your liking or posting in a manner you expected me to. Sorry, didn't get the memo that I was supposed to do that. I'll be more careful next time.

So, after reading your post that reeks of emitted testosterone whose levels rival those found in a three hundred pound and thirty five year old virgin woman who is surrounded by the scantly dressed, entire cast of the movie "300" (apologies to all the females around here btw) I have one thing to say:

Take your high horse and shove it.

[Telas]

This certainly is a speedy build up.

You do of course realize that piling up on Tiamatha like this means we will be left with no information tomorrow, right? Approaching the day in this manner gives every other player a free pass.

Ah well. I understand that a lynch of Tiam is practical simply to remove a distraction, but it might have been prudent to give people the chance to speak of something else, no?

How much time do we have left anyways?

[Karosis]

Telas, on 05 October 2011 - 10:39 AM, said:

This certainly is a speedy build up.

You do of course realize that piling up on Tiamatha like this means we will be left with no information tomorrow, right? Approaching the day in this manner gives every other player a free pass.

Ah well. I understand that a lynch of Tiam is practical simply to remove a distraction, but it might have been prudent to give people the chance to speak of something else, no?

How much time do we have left anyways?

erm....he aint lynched yet

[Telas]

Karosis, on 05 October 2011 - 10:51 AM, said:

Telas, on 05 October 2011 - 10:39 AM, said:

This certainly is a speedy build up.

You do of course realize that piling up on Tiamatha like this means we will be left with no information tomorrow, right? Approaching the day in this manner gives every other player a free pass.

Ah well. I understand that a lynch of Tiam is practical simply to remove a distraction, but it might have been prudent to give people the chance to speak of something else, no?

How much time do we have left anyways?

erm....he aint lynched yet

Nor did I say he was.

[Barghast]

Tiamatha, on 05 October 2011 - 10:13 AM, said:

Barghast, on 05 October 2011 - 09:11 AM, said:

Y'know Tiam, that post sounds awfully like you're insulting the rest of us as dumb clunges. You've been awfully dismissive and quite petty/whiny of everything others ask/ suggest but have failed consistently to answer questions, explain HOW you want to set your scheme of Usurper hunting in motion, or come up with anything else, preferring to just make massive posts that amount to usurper must die and add an upturned nose as if someone offered you a turd for dinner to your near every comment of yesterday.

Moreso, why would D'rek reveal people's current/ past locations in stories with accuracy? it would be highly disadvantageous to the named, especially if they are still alive, and very advantageous for other factions, especially if the named are dead, knowing that the named tile has lost 1 occupant and is therefore worth trying to move into.

So, before you went into your self-congratulatory masturbation mode where the production of said wanking is smeared over our collective faces as a token of your esteem, you might have wondered at the implications of some of your suggestions in that post and ask yourself if D'rek, who has a perfect eye for balance, would do this to the crowning achievement of the R0t3K game .

Secondly, you question Serc's find by toying with locations.
You base Cen Pi's on his location on D'rek's link. You base Serc's on a couple of day-end stories.
There's a problem with both. With Cen Pi's balance may force D'rek to give people a different location for the sake of balance. You breeze past that.
And the problems of revealing current/past tiles of someone as a mod, I just highlighted above.

Finally, the faction lines may become fairly visible after lynching a suspected Xia, which can be a massive advantage for quite a few people.

Get off the soap box, before I knock you off.

I was trying to be entertaining while questioning Rashan's post and his thesis upon tile movements... A Rashan post which others have read and agreed with, in this here thread. I guess he is allowed to post something like that, while I am not.

Your entire first paragraph is a total joke. I wasn't obligated to stall Serc's lynch, neither try to buy time and try to get more information out in the public, yet I did - even if I knew that basically his 180 degree stunt would fuck me over today, regardless of my behavior. So I haven't been avoiding questions, neither have I been hiding behind my finger. I just happened to not give answers to your liking or posting in a manner you expected me to. Sorry, didn't get the memo that I was supposed to do that. I'll be more careful next time.

So, after reading your post that reeks of emitted testosterone whose levels rival those found in a three hundred pound and thirty five year old virgin woman who is surrounded by the scantly dressed, entire cast of the movie "300" (apologies to all the females around here btw) I have one thing to say:

Take your high horse and shove it.

Yawn. You seize that one paragraph and my 'style of reply' and devote an entire post to it. Instead of going into the content, as to why your debunking of Rashan's thesis is then correct, you prefer blasting away while condemning me for not understanding your style. It is what you do all the time, so I actually don't know why i bother replying.

And yeah, my sense of humor may not be yours. Instead of telling you where to stuff it or fawning with admiration of your clever reconstruction of a chat, I chose to label it as I saw it. The fact that you wanted to debunk something, is not increased or lessened by the form. Now, you may not like my post the same way I didn't like yours, but hey, if you want to tell me to get of my soapbox, maybe give the example, and don't go throwing with shit, hmm?
I guess you're seeing the noose approaching and just decide to have a little fun.