[tiam]

Illuyankas, on 07 April 2011 - 03:35 PM, said:

I've heard Andie McDowell still has a career, but I've not seen her outside a Loreal advert in about a decade.

Double post but its worth it because ive just remembered she was in Hudson Hawk. Whenever I remember it im forced to watch it by my brain

[amphibian]

Hollywood accounting is so crooked that many movies were said to have "lost money" in order to avoid paying out salaries or percentages of the profits to the stars/writers/directors etc.

Coming to America is probably the most famous of these examples. The fallout from that nearly stopped Eddie Murphy from ever being in another movie again.

[QuickTidal]

tiam, on 07 April 2011 - 04:51 PM, said:

Illuyankas, on 07 April 2011 - 03:35 PM, said:

I've heard Andie McDowell still has a career, but I've not seen her outside a Loreal advert in about a decade.

Double post but its worth it because ive just remembered she was in Hudson Hawk. Whenever I remember it im forced to watch it by my brain

I still love the shit out of the ridiculousness that is HUDSON HAWK.

..and I still sing Swinging on a Star.

[Bulwyf]

amphibian, on 07 April 2011 - 03:27 PM, said:

The Tyrant Lizard, on 07 April 2011 - 01:22 PM, said:

My first thought when I saw the title was Kurt Russell's Soldier. I'm glad it's on the list. My choice for it had nothing to do with the amount of money it lost tho, purely how rubbish the film was...

Soldier is actually a pretty good movie. It hits the right spots and the combat scenes are still pretty good today.

13th warrior fan (where I originally got my forum name from, -"i")
I also liked Soldier, heh, I know it's not a great movie, but it's a decent brainless action movie. I liked the genetic underdog taking out a whole platoon stealth-style.

[cerveza_fiesta]

Gothos, on 07 April 2011 - 01:27 PM, said:

Where's Waterworld?

what he said.

I love waterworld, but man, I was super surprised not to see it on there.

That list must consider DVD sales too...cause that has totally saved some box-office bombs in the past. Like every rom-com ever made. Rare that a rom-com will kick everything's ass in the theatres unless it's a really significant release - but they sell very well on the DVD shelves. Same for christmas movies. I bet they're still laughing all the way to the bank with the income from ELF and Santa Clause. People get nostalgic as hell for movies like that and buy them forever.

This post has been edited by cerveza_fiesta: 07 April 2011 - 06:12 PM

[Abyss]

amphibian, on 07 April 2011 - 05:45 PM, said:

Hollywood accounting is so crooked that many movies were said to have "lost money" in order to avoid paying out salaries or percentages of the profits to the stars/writers/directors etc. ...

Somewhere out there is a Hollywood accountant who can tell you with absolute sincerity how FORREST GUMP lost money. The scriptwriter received $0 cut of the profits on that basis.

[tiam]

QuickTidal, on 07 April 2011 - 05:50 PM, said:

tiam, on 07 April 2011 - 04:51 PM, said:

Illuyankas, on 07 April 2011 - 03:35 PM, said:

I've heard Andie McDowell still has a career, but I've not seen her outside a Loreal advert in about a decade.

Double post but its worth it because ive just remembered she was in Hudson Hawk. Whenever I remember it im forced to watch it by my brain

I still love the shit out of the ridiculousness that is HUDSON HAWK.

..and I still sing Swinging on a Star.

I often watch it for that sequence and had a conversation a while back if that timing using a song thing would work. We decided no.

i also watch it for Richard grants hamming it up as the villain

'give him his cut...'

Edit- Damn you i cant get Swinging on a Star out of my head ...

This post has been edited by tiam: 07 April 2011 - 06:27 PM

[Tiste Simeon]

Out of the ones I have seen I quite enjoyed. Nothing that I would buy as a DVD (with the exception of 13th Warrior, that was a good film...) there are surely films that should have done a lot worse due to how awful they are but made far much more money. Spiderman 3 anybody?

[cerveza_fiesta]

Abyss, on 07 April 2011 - 06:18 PM, said:

amphibian, on 07 April 2011 - 05:45 PM, said:

Hollywood accounting is so crooked that many movies were said to have "lost money" in order to avoid paying out salaries or percentages of the profits to the stars/writers/directors etc. ...

Somewhere out there is a Hollywood accountant who can tell you with absolute sincerity how FORREST GUMP lost money. The scriptwriter received $0 cut of the profits on that basis.

There was an excellent interview of Sylvester Stallone on Howard Stern show a few months back where he talked about how much of fuckers movie studios are with paying the creative talent.

They'll just randomly hack a hundred thousand out of the profits that were used for "marketing purposes" but it requires a fucking court case to get them to cough up the paper trail, at which point you've spent 200k on lawyer to recover 100k of bullshit expenditures and you still end up behind. And they do it all the time for everything.

Basically just saying that unless you're a studio or an actor, or you have the most airtight contract in the history of film, you don't make a thin dime creating movies. They jump through loopholes and bleed the profits until your 100 million box office opening is essentially gone.

[McLovin]

Pretty much agree with the list.

13th Warrior was alright. Speed Racer was tolerable.

The Postman should be used in lieu of waterboarding to interrogate suspected terrorists. I would admit to just about anything to make that torture stop.

Never saw Inchon. Kinda interested to see it, esp since my dad fought in Korea.

[QuickTidal]

Tiste Simeon, on 07 April 2011 - 08:11 PM, said:

Out of the ones I have seen I quite enjoyed. Nothing that I would buy as a DVD (with the exception of 13th Warrior, that was a good film...) there are surely films that should have done a lot worse due to how awful they are but made far much more money. Spiderman 3 anybody?

Yeah, Spiderman 3 slides into that category of: the producers did not care whether it was a dud or not because it was going to make money hand over fist just because of what it was...people were going to see it regardless of bad press. This has happened recently with the Twilight flicks....which are fucking AWFUL....but they make money like a thief in the night simply because there are people excited about them as an IDEA....the execution of that idea is neither here nor there because you are already in the seat and paid the money.

That said, I totally agree with your comment..Spiderman 3 is a prime candidate for the list based on how bad it totally is.

[Tiste Simeon]

Haven't seen the Twilight movies but the fiance is a big fan so no doubt I will watch them at some point. HOWEVER, being the crafty person I am I pre-empted this by forcing her to agree to come to a metal concert with me in return for me watching them...

[masan's saddle]

Tiste Simeon, on 08 April 2011 - 05:46 PM, said:

Haven't seen the Twilight movies but the fiance is a big fan so no doubt I will watch them at some point. HOWEVER, being the crafty person I am I pre-empted this by forcing her to agree to come to a metal concert with me in return for me watching them...

This in itself is enough for the wedding to be off !

You need to go away and rethink your life young man.

[Tiste Simeon]

... Thanks MS, you made me realise what a mistake I was making... am texting her now "Hey... a guy on the internet I met once told me that I should postpone or even cancel the wedding cos you like Twilight. You understand right? Also, I'm gonna need the engagement ring back, I could probably get my money back on that..."

[Abyss]

QuickTidal, on 08 April 2011 - 01:44 PM, said:

Tiste Simeon, on 07 April 2011 - 08:11 PM, said:

... there are surely films that should have done a lot worse due to how awful they are but made far much more money. Spiderman 3 anybody?

Yeah, Spiderman 3 slides into that category ....Spiderman 3 is a prime candidate for the list based on how bad it totally is.

But the list is based on financial floppage, and Spidey3, mindbleedingly bad tho it was, made big icky gobs of white sticky money, and then did it again with the merchandising, and then AGAIN with the disk.

Safe bet none of the flics on the 15 list did any of that. I think i've seen almost every one of those in the $5 clearance bin.

[Tiste Simeon]

Yeah hence saying it SHOULD have been on the list due to how bad it was. Unfortunately a majority of the film watching public are retarded. (People at work think I have a bad taste in movies because I don't think Transformers 2 & POTC 2 & 3 were the best films of their respective years and I think District 9 was a better film than Avatar...)

[Illuyankas]

You're a policeman, you have a truncheon, don't you? BEAT them with it!

[QuickTidal]

Tiste Simeon, on 08 April 2011 - 06:08 PM, said:

District 9 was a better film than Avatar...)

It is a better film in every respect. I agree.

[Tiste Simeon]

I did like Avatar for the way it was shot & the wonderfully imagined world it was set in but as a film (and by that I mean plot, characters etc.) it was nothing special...

[McLovin]

From a visual/technical standpoint, Avatar was amazing. It sucked because all James Cameron could apparently do with this amazing technology was tell the story of Space Pocahontas. Yawn.