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[worry]

A Story of Slavery in Modern America from The Atlantic. Really incredible article (it's the story of one slave, not like a history of the topic).
https://www.theatlan...s-story/524490/

There's a soundcloud if you'd prefer to listen than read.

[worry]

The more I think about it, the more I kinda feel rotten about the guy who wrote that. The story has value for sure, but I don't think the writer properly admits his own complicity in the enslavement. He acknowledges some of it in his youth and almost completely elides his adult years.

[Aptorian]

I haven't had time to read the whole thing (probably wont either), but browsing through the story, reading paragraphs, I'm not sure what kind of achknowledgement the writer needs to give.

I think the author manages to give that strange perspective on slavery that is hard to understand by people who grow up outside of slavery. This isn't a story looking in, but a story seeing slavery from the inside. How can you apologize for the way you are brought up? How can you distance yourself from the world your grow up in? The notion of servants is a strange concept.

He himself, as the story unfolds, comes to see the role Lola plays, and tries to free her from that life. Isn't that enough?

[worry]

Seduce Goose, on 17 May 2017 - 06:57 AM, said:

He himself, as the story unfolds, comes to see the role Lola plays, and tries to free her from that life. Isn't that enough?

This isn't true, and is kind of exactly what I'm talking about. He talks about -- as an angry youth home from college -- arguing with his mom about Lola seeing a dentist. And then there are decades of her enslavement he skips past. Lola remained his mom's slave until his mom died in 1999. The author was FORTY in 1999. Not the 11-year-old just realizing the reality of enslavement, not the impotent rage of a 20-year-old sickened by his mother's treatment of her slave but conflicted, but a successful 40-year-old married man with kids. The story spends a lot of time forgiving his child self for (truly) not being able to do anything and does almost no wrestling with his decades of adulthood doing nothing.

[Loki]

Seduce Goose, on 17 May 2017 - 06:57 AM, said:

I


He himself, as the story unfolds, comes to see the role Lola plays, and tries to free her from that life. Isn't that enough?

No.

worry, on 17 May 2017 - 07:15 AM, said:

Seduce Goose, on 17 May 2017 - 06:57 AM, said:

He himself, as the story unfolds, comes to see the role Lola plays, and tries to free her from that life. Isn't that enough?

This isn't true, and is kind of exactly what I'm talking about. He talks about -- as an angry youth home from college -- arguing with his mom about Lola seeing a dentist. And then there are decades of her enslavement he skips past. Lola remained his mom's slave until his mom died in 1999. The author was FORTY in 1999. Not the 11-year-old just realizing the reality of enslavement, not the impotent rage of a 20-year-old sickened by his mother's treatment of her slave but conflicted, but a successful 40-year-old married man with kids. The story spends a lot of time forgiving his child self for (truly) not being able to do anything and does almost no wrestling with his decades of adulthood doing nothing.

Calling your slave/underpaid maid Aunty/Mummy doesn't change the fact she is still a fucking slave. She was enslaved by that family for generations! And then after she died they kept her ashes for 5 years! Like they had more of a right to them than her family.

It's not a beautiful story. A man talking fondly of his slave is still a fucking slave owner no matter what words you use to pretend she wasn't one.
There is nothing beautiful about a woman being snatched away from her life and being forced to serve people.

I wish Tizon was still alive so we could ask why he felt he has any right to use her story as a means of dealing with his own guilt and morality over what he did and didn't do. He's basically continued to use her for his own means. Fuck him.

And her name was Eudocia, not Lola. He couldn't even give that back to her. "Her name was Eudocia Tomas Pulido. We called her Lola" Then precedes to only call her by her slave name/title. I don't care if 'Lola' equates to grandma, call her by her name ffs!

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[Loki]

Why the obituary for Eudocia Tomas Pulido didn’t tell the story of her life in slavery

[Kruppe of Darujhistan]

Loki, on 18 May 2017 - 03:09 AM, said:

Why the obituary for Eudocia Tomas Pulido didn't tell the story of her life in slavery

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And I now have an opportunity to examine my own lack of knowledge that allowed historical questions about slavery in the Philippines to go unasked.

I know a number of Filipino people and have an interest in and done a lot of reading about the Phillipines, and I had no idea that slavery still exists there (or did until recently if it now doesn't).


These articles are eye openers.

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World's languages traced back to single African mother tongue: scientists

[Kruppe of Darujhistan]

Loki, on 20 May 2017 - 05:01 AM, said:

World's languages traced back to single African mother tongue: scientists

That article is from 2011. I think that fellow's theories have since been found wanting.

My own opinion is that it's impossible to know anything about human language beyond a few thousand years back (6 or 7), let alone the 10s of thousands this fellow is speculating so freely about.

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[Malankazooie]

Behold, Medieval Death Bot <<<<< read it in your best death metal voice.
link: http://www.thepoke.c...ed-fascinating/

[worry]

Aww, I hope that's how I go.

[Tsundoku]

worry, on 20 May 2017 - 08:24 PM, said:

Aww, I hope that's how I go.

Nah, from what I hear you're far too careful with your money.

[Gust Hubb]

Malankazooie, on 20 May 2017 - 07:28 PM, said:

Behold, Medieval Death Bot <<<<< read it in your best death metal voice.
link: http://www.thepoke.c...ed-fascinating/

Ooooo. I like this new term.

You are a fundament hole.
Don't fundament in on this conversation.
You are such a fundament crack.
That guy deserves a swift kick to the fundament.

[Aptorian]

[Gust Hubb]

[Tsundoku]

So Rihanna is a mermaid?

[Aptorian]

Some times I really hate young people and their idea of what "racism" and social reform is about.

http://www.dailymail...n-students.html

[Malankazooie]

I'm growing tired of CrossFit training. I think I'll give this a try. Hopefully it will reinvigorate my fitness routine.