[Barghast]

Ruse, on 08 March 2011 - 02:56 PM, said:

Osseric, on 08 March 2011 - 06:03 AM, said:

Barghast, on 08 March 2011 - 03:18 AM, said:

Hi all, weekend's over, monday party's over, time to get back into mafia, huh. In reading up does anyone else feel (like me) that HP was laying low until the Korabas lynch and has now seemingly exploded out of nowhere to support Korabas after his death? It gives me the sinking suspicion that HP is the FM who, now that Korabas is dead, has jumped on supporting him extremely vehemently to throw us off his scent. But it really seems like he came out of nowhere to argue this much more passionately than anything else he's spoken of so far.

It's that second-week-of-March rush of busyness?

And yeah, I am pointing the finger right after Fener died. That's normally what you do when suspicious deaths occur in mafia. You were expecting a tea party? ;}}
which is funny, since he was pretty hung up about either you or Ruse being the FM,

although I do agree his self-rigteousness was a bit odd...

Yeah, Barg is jumping up pointing fingers while Fener's corpse is still smoking. Subtle.

I have replied to HP's comments regarding my self, and rest comfortably. Yes, he was coming off a bit high & mighty.


By the way, WHERE THE FRIGGIN" FRIG IS EVERYBODY? I'm actually forced to get some work done.

[Galayn Lord]

I have a couple final papers due this week, so probably won;t be around to discuss too much until Friday or Thursday night.

[Ruse]

Galayn Lord, on 08 March 2011 - 04:13 PM, said:

I have a couple final papers due this week, so probably won;t be around to discuss too much until Friday or Thursday night.

Then pick somebody to lynch and we'll prosecute them

[Osseric]

am I the only one wo can't see Bargy's reply?

things are a bit hectic for me for the next few hours, but my footy game was cancelled ( )so i'll be on for most of the day after a few hours.

[Ruse]

Osseric, on 08 March 2011 - 04:42 PM, said:

am I the only one wo can't see Bargy's reply?

things are a bit hectic for me for the next few hours, but my footy game was cancelled ( )so i'll be on for most of the day after a few hours.

no, perhaps he's making some kind of statement about the futility of it all

[Barghast]

Dunno what happened there, making reply didn't work I guess... weird )(:

[Barghast]

I believe my reply was something like Yes of course I am pointing the finger after Fener dies. That is what you do in mafia when there are suspicious deaths, not sit back and have tea parties.

[Osseric]

Ruse, on 08 March 2011 - 04:45 PM, said:

Osseric, on 08 March 2011 - 04:42 PM, said:

am I the only one wo can't see Bargy's reply?

things are a bit hectic for me for the next few hours, but my footy game was cancelled ( )so i'll be on for most of the day after a few hours.

no, perhaps he's making some kind of statement about the futility of it all

I like it.

[Ruse]

Barghast, on 08 March 2011 - 06:01 PM, said:

I believe my reply was something like Yes of course I am pointing the finger after Fener dies. That is what you do in mafia when there are suspicious deaths, not sit back and have tea parties.

Well, point away. It is a shame about the tea party, though. It would have been so lovely!

Although I don't know if Fener's death was suspicious, unless you know something. Most people seem uncertain if he was killed or cashed in, which includes me.

HP has certainly been on my back, so I can listen to any case you've got with him.

[Barghast]

Ruse, on 08 March 2011 - 06:41 PM, said:

Barghast, on 08 March 2011 - 06:01 PM, said:

I believe my reply was something like Yes of course I am pointing the finger after Fener dies. That is what you do in mafia when there are suspicious deaths, not sit back and have tea parties.

Well, point away. It is a shame about the tea party, though. It would have been so lovely!

Although I don't know if Fener's death was suspicious, unless you know something. Most people seem uncertain if he was killed or cashed in, which includes me.

HP has certainly been on my back, so I can listen to any case you've got with him.

Didn't he come up Jernau? Jernau only bet 75, didn't say nothin' 'bout betting a life

[Silanah]

Ok no one wants to risk anything. This game has gotten boring and stale. Sorry guys on my team, Lets hope our leader is a good poker player or our poisoner is spot on because I am putting us at a disadvantage here.


Ruse is the FM.

How do I know this? I have proof ( not saying how. you can trust me or not i don't really care) that Ruse was on Team Z at the start of day 3. Here is the day and who is alive at the time:

Hugin & Munin, on 03 March 2011 - 11:10 AM, said:

It's day 3

14 Players still alive: barghast, fener, galayn lord, hood's path, kalse, korabas, liosan, merrid, omtose, osseric, rashan, ruse, silanah, sorrit

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: barghast, fener, galayn lord, hood's path, kalse, korabas, liosan, merrid, omtose, osseric, rashan, ruse, silanah, sorrit

Then the flop comes. At this point, Ruse is still on Team Z.

Hugin & Munin, on 03 March 2011 - 12:18 PM, said:

Too busty for scene, picture bright skies, white beaches and dolphins frollicking in the waves. Picture mohitos, and bikins and tans and all things people want to have on a day when all your worries are somewhere else. The get back to reality and realise this game will only end when most of you are dead, buck up your ideas and get to the killing soldiers!

All captains bet 25 credits

king spades
two diamonds
ace clubs
seven hearts
ace spades

After some betting Z folds. This is important. It happens before the hand ends. At this point there are only 3 team Z members. Rashan (leader) Liosan (Second) and Ruse (Last Life). Ruse is now up for grabs to the winner of the hand.

Hugin & Munin, on 03 March 2011 - 05:59 PM, said:

Update on the betting

Zakalwe has folded

Jernau has bet 25

Then J wins the hand and cashes in the life( cashing in was a tactical mistake by J but thats another topic). That means that Team K loses their 1 life ante as well. Well, since Sorrit dies in the cash in, that means the 1 life ante of team Z (Ruse) joins team J. RUSE IS NOW ON TEAM J

Hugin & Munin, on 04 March 2011 - 03:39 PM, said:

kraiklyn -six clubs jack clubs
1 life +25 + 35

zakalwe nine hearts ten spades FOLDS
1 life + 25

jernau - jack hearts seven clubs
1 life + 25 + 25

king spades
two diamonds
ace clubs
seven hearts
ace spades

Jernau Wins and cashes in a life

Sorritt is dead - they were in the Kriaklyn Faction




Still day 3 and Ruse is still on Team J as the spoils from the poker hand.


It is Day 3.
13 Players still alive: barghast, fener, galayn lord, hood's path, kalse, korabas, liosan, merrid, omtose, osseric, rashan, ruse, silanah

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for merrid ( korabas, omtose, hp )
3 Votes for korabas ( kalse, galayn lord, merrid )

Players not voted: barghast, fener, liosan, osseric, rashan, ruse, silanah


Tellan

Then Korabas comes on and reveals. a Reveal that turns out to be true. AND it jives with what just happened based on the knowledge I have. The FM IS ON TEAM J AND JUST GOT THERE AT THE CONCLUSION TO THE HAND. This person is Ruse. (Underline and italics and bold mine)

Korabas, on 05 March 2011 - 01:37 AM, said:

Well I can't wait any longer. I didn't want to do this but for everyone's sake.

Looks like I need to pull out a reveal to save my sorry ass thanks to the epic fail by GL. Even though it will only be temporary as the FM will have to waste a night action in killing me. Since I'm on my way out I need to get some information out to the masses.

I'm Bavedict the FM hunter. My job is to find the FM. I have the ability to do a find on a player to determine if they are a shapshifter. I've already done finds on Rashan and Barghast and they both came up clean. At the resolution of the last card game I was informed that the FM became a member of my faction. So Team J you are now harboring the FM. Also, I was notified that he came over at the resolution of the card game and not after a lynch. So if anyone from team J knows who that player is that moved over then you now know who the FM is

I tried to trick them to reveling themselves by trying to get them to out someone from their previous faction but they probably didn't know anybody on that faction same as me. I thought it worth an effort to see if anyone took the bait.

So if you would like to keep someone around that could help you find the FM at least maybe for one more night then please vote out Merrid. We might get lucky and the FM won't be able to see this post until after the lynch has gone through and won't be able to change his night action to off me.

So there you go. Ruse is the Fm. Do with this info what you will. I feel like we have to lynch him today or he will just jump bodies

vote Ruse

bet 13 credits

[Ruse]

Aww, Silanah, you're just mad because you don't actually know what faction I'm in. It was a nice try, fairly elaborate and time consuming, (have imaginary MAFIA rep) but WRONG. I am not nor have I ever been the FM. Try basing accusations upon quotes or actions, not an un-provable reveal and speculation about the card game wirh too many variables. I believe you're just trying to provoke a response.


Just in case you're serious- and you say you have proof, but you can't say what - we have to trust you??? Sorry if I don't trust you. You may be deflecting from yourself, or just trying to help Team J, or just honestly have put things together wrong.

[Kalse]

Alright, finally around. Two hectic days at uni and home.

And I find that Silanah has just revealed on Ruse being the FM...OK, so obviously you're implying you were on Team Z and got lost before Ruse was, so you knew he was around and by deduction figured he was the last player, got traded to J, when K's guy got cashed in, so he must be the FM because then Korabas revealed? (I wouldn't go so far as to say Korabas' reveal has been proven true, it's just a lot, LOT more respectable now, and I can take it at face value for the moment).

Question, though...that would make Ruse at the bottom of the Jernau rung for the game, right? Wasn't it immediately after that when Z was all-in, got smoked, and so Ruse should be on team K? Unless he can't be traded until he's the last life on a team before the second...but that would mean that you were his immediate inferior unless he started as the first life of a faction, and therefore knew the second....but if he was not the first life, how can you deduce that he was not traded sooner?

Now, going back to the question, if Ruse was, as he should have been, at the bottom of team J, and is now on team K, then if Fener was cashed in, it should have been Ruse, no? So either we're missing something on the FM trading mechanics, or Fener was just a kill. Are we assuming that Fener was just a kill? IIRC, the first person to be traded and nuked, we were TOLD they were cashed in, right? Either mod inconsistency, or just an indication of non-cashing-in.

Hugin & Munin, on 07 March 2011 - 05:02 PM, said:

*snip*

The captains will receive their cards and the winning faction will receive their credits + any lifes bet. When they decide what to do with them I will let you know.

Amp

^this would imply to me that Fener's death was a cash-in, btw.


So, that still leaves us the question of why Ruse was not traded.

Or was there an extra hand of cards in there that I'm missing?

[Osseric]

BOO YEAH

got a pay bonus for last week @ work, AND Shakhtar pounded Roma 3:0

this is a great day.
oh, and i'll be around to alk for most of it, from now on.

[Silanah]

Ruse, on 08 March 2011 - 08:58 PM, said:

Aww, Silanah, you're just mad because you don't actually know what faction I'm in. It was a nice try, fairly elaborate and time consuming, (have imaginary MAFIA rep) but WRONG. I am not nor have I ever been the FM. Try basing accusations upon quotes or actions, not an un-provable reveal and speculation about the card game wirh too many variables. I believe you're just trying to provoke a response.


Just in case you're serious- and you say you have proof, but you can't say what - we have to trust you??? Sorry if I don't trust you. You may be deflecting from yourself, or just trying to help Team J, or just honestly have put things together wrong.

You are on team K.... that much is obvious.

The only proof I dont have is how I came by the Knowledge that you were on Team Z at the start of day 3. I'm not willing to give that information out.

How am I deflecting. No one had mentioned anyone. the game was stagnant. I was trying to figure out a way to benefit my team, and out you as well, but couldn't so I did the next best thing and just outed you.

[Osseric]

Ruse, on 08 March 2011 - 08:58 PM, said:

Aww, Silanah, you're just mad because you don't actually know what faction I'm in. It was a nice try, fairly elaborate and time consuming, (have imaginary MAFIA rep) but WRONG. I am not nor have I ever been the FM. Try basing accusations upon quotes or actions, not an un-provable reveal and speculation about the card game wirh too many variables. I believe you're just trying to provoke a response.


Just in case you're serious- and you say you have proof, but you can't say what - we have to trust you??? Sorry if I don't trust you. You may be deflecting from yourself, or just trying to help Team J, or just honestly have put things together wrong.

which team are you on, then?
since today's lynch is likely gonna be all about the FM and not about factions, I don't think that's a bad question to ask.

[Ruse]

Silanah, on 08 March 2011 - 10:18 PM, said:

Ruse, on 08 March 2011 - 08:58 PM, said:

Aww, Silanah, you're just mad because you don't actually know what faction I'm in. It was a nice try, fairly elaborate and time consuming, (have imaginary MAFIA rep) but WRONG. I am not nor have I ever been the FM. Try basing accusations upon quotes or actions, not an un-provable reveal and speculation about the card game wirh too many variables. I believe you're just trying to provoke a response.


Just in case you're serious- and you say you have proof, but you can't say what - we have to trust you??? Sorry if I don't trust you. You may be deflecting from yourself, or just trying to help Team J, or just honestly have put things together wrong.

You are on team K.... that much is obvious.

The only proof I dont have is how I came by the Knowledge that you were on Team Z at the start of day 3. I'm not willing to give that information out.

How am I deflecting. No one had mentioned anyone. the game was stagnant. I was trying to figure out a way to benefit my team, and out you as well, but couldn't so I did the next best thing and just outed you.

So you've changed your mind since your epic post above?? You said I was on Team J then.

True, the game was stagnant, awesome work making it active, I guess. But you're still wrong about me.

[Ruse]

Osseric, on 08 March 2011 - 10:19 PM, said:

Ruse, on 08 March 2011 - 08:58 PM, said:

Aww, Silanah, you're just mad because you don't actually know what faction I'm in. It was a nice try, fairly elaborate and time consuming, (have imaginary MAFIA rep) but WRONG. I am not nor have I ever been the FM. Try basing accusations upon quotes or actions, not an un-provable reveal and speculation about the card game wirh too many variables. I believe you're just trying to provoke a response.


Just in case you're serious- and you say you have proof, but you can't say what - we have to trust you??? Sorry if I don't trust you. You may be deflecting from yourself, or just trying to help Team J, or just honestly have put things together wrong.

which team are you on, then?
since today's lynch is likely gonna be all about the FM and not about factions, I don't think that's a bad question to ask.

I agree, and for the record, my faction is ...you first, I'm shy

[Silanah]

@Kalse-

I am not sure of the FM mechanics. As it seems this isn't a typical FM game. Maybe the FM can switch factions rather than bodies. It's now 4-5 days in and we haven't seen one suspected FM jump. If the FM is a special circumstance I suspect he is unable to be wagered. So because of that when Team J lost the last hand, it went to their lowest non FM player. (Fener) . Thats the only thing I can come up with. Because what you say is correct. If the FM could be wagered, he would have been the one lost to team K and subsequently killed.

But we do have facts.

Fact 1: Ruse started day 3 on team Z

Fact 2: Rashan and Liosan were on team Z.

Fact 3: On day 3 Team Z had MAX 3 people left.

Fact 4: Day 3 Z folded and therefore forfeited his 1 life ante.

Fact 5: J won the hand. and received 2 lives and xxx (unknown) credits.

Fact 6: J cashed in 1 life (Sorrit)

Fact 7: there was one life remaining for team J to receive. It had to be Ruse.


These are all facts. To everyone. The only disputable fact is number one (But not to me as I have that info)
NOW...what isn't a fact is Korabas' reveal, but the fact that he, unprovoked, brought up the FM switch, and POINTED OUT HIS OWN TEAM as being the place for the FM... It has to be Ruse.

My only explanation to Kalse's statements is that their are special circumstances in the FM role that prevent him from being cashed in. Thats the only thing I can think of.

EDIT: Changed Fener to Sorrit for the day for poker trade in.

This post has been edited by Silanah: 08 March 2011 - 10:36 PM

[Silanah]

Ruse, on 08 March 2011 - 10:25 PM, said:

Silanah, on 08 March 2011 - 10:18 PM, said:

Ruse, on 08 March 2011 - 08:58 PM, said:

Aww, Silanah, you're just mad because you don't actually know what faction I'm in. It was a nice try, fairly elaborate and time consuming, (have imaginary MAFIA rep) but WRONG. I am not nor have I ever been the FM. Try basing accusations upon quotes or actions, not an un-provable reveal and speculation about the card game wirh too many variables. I believe you're just trying to provoke a response.


Just in case you're serious- and you say you have proof, but you can't say what - we have to trust you??? Sorry if I don't trust you. You may be deflecting from yourself, or just trying to help Team J, or just honestly have put things together wrong.

You are on team K.... that much is obvious.

The only proof I dont have is how I came by the Knowledge that you were on Team Z at the start of day 3. I'm not willing to give that information out.

How am I deflecting. No one had mentioned anyone. the game was stagnant. I was trying to figure out a way to benefit my team, and out you as well, but couldn't so I did the next best thing and just outed you.

So you've changed your mind since your epic post above?? You said I was on Team J then.

True, the game was stagnant, awesome work making it active, I guess. But you're still wrong about me.

As I stated in my post to Kalse. There has to be weird FM mechanics involved. Because if you werent the FM... you would have been cashed in. Not Fener. There was no other person on the bottom rung of Team J. I suspect you can move around at will. Your team at this point doesn't matter. You are the FM on J , or FM on K. Either way, it sucks to be you.