[Kalse]

Silanah, on 08 March 2011 - 10:33 PM, said:

@Kalse-

I am not sure of the FM mechanics. As it seems this isn't a typical FM game. Maybe the FM can switch factions rather than bodies. It's now 4-5 days in and we haven't seen one suspected FM jump. If the FM is a special circumstance I suspect he is unable to be wagered. So because of that when Team J lost the last hand, it went to their lowest non FM player. (Fener) . Thats the only thing I can come up with. Because what you say is correct. If the FM could be wagered, he would have been the one lost to team K and subsequently killed.

But we do have facts.

Fact 1: Ruse started day 3 on team Z

Fact 2: Rashan and Liosan were on team Z.

Fact 3: On day 3 Team Z had MAX 3 people left.

Fact 4: Day 3 Z folded and therefore forfeited his 1 life ante.

Fact 5: J won the hand. and received 2 lives and xxx (unknown) credits.

Fact 6: J cashed in 1 life (Sorrit)

Fact 7: there was one life remaining for team J to receive. It had to be Ruse.


These are all facts. To everyone. The only disputable fact is number one (But not to me as I have that info)
NOW...what isn't a fact is Korabas' reveal, but the fact that he, unprovoked, brought up the FM switch, and POINTED OUT HIS OWN TEAM as being the place for the FM... It has to be Ruse.

My only explanation to Kalse's statements is that their are special circumstances in the FM role that prevent him from being cashed in. Thats the only thing I can think of.

EDIT: Changed Fener to Sorrit for the day for poker trade in.

The problem is that the first fact is kind of a lynchpin. Again, someone is asking us to just trust them in a game of MAFIA. Which is...it just isn't something that is done, lol. At least, not without supporting evidence that suggests their assertion. Whereas in this case your assertion is supported by another assertion.

And again, Korabas' reveal, wherein he stated the FM was on team J...but had been hammering away at a faction-hunt for almost that entire day? It was one of the things that I thought was wrong with his reveal.

But what is not of concern, is the FM being cashed in. If that was the case, Fener would not have been the one cashed in, would he? It has to be that the FM cannot be traded! Which is...difficult. Because it then means that Ruse is not, necessarily, the FM. If they couln't be cashed in, the mods would either have to wait and see what the winner of the hands wants to do, then decide who is exchanged or cashed in based upon that choice, or they would have to adjust the faction heirarchy on the fly. In which case people would get alarm bells when their next-guy-up-the-rung changes, right?

I can see what you're saying, but it just doesn't add up. Either there is something we do not know about the FM mechanics, in which case all speculation based upon who was on which team is going fruitless, or there is just a random FM floating about between factions and not getting cashed in.

I mean, I can see it working in previous hands - each winner would get two new lifes. But with Z gone down, and we KNOW they only had the Captain and Second, team K only got a team J member last night, who was then, presumably, Fener and got cashed in. Which would mean that he'd have to be the FM unless there are hidden mechanics. Which brings us around to the fact that if there are hidden mechanics then Ruse's membership of a faction on day 3 is irrelevant.

So, I think we need to hear Ruse's current faction. I think I can guess, but the answer is important, and will determine, essentially, the course of action to take. Silanah's faction is irrelevant right now. And neither faction wants a reveal-fest.

[Silanah]

Faction Size is also irrelevant right now. Team K has a 2 person lead on team J. 5-k's 3 J's and a FM. Even if Ruse is somehow a team K low rung person, then K still has a majority lead. come tomorrow. But that isn't the case. Ruse was on team Z at the start of day 3. Because of this and how the rules are set up, he should either be dead... or the FM.

[Ruse]

Hugin & Munin, on 02 March 2011 - 04:29 PM, said:

Kriaklyn sweated under his jumpsuit as the cards lay waiting for him. Without two credits to rub together he had been forced to put two lives in the pot and he knew if he didnt get some luck his game was over and he could kiss his own life goodbye. His oppenets though didnt want to waste any more credits betting against his two lives and the pot waited and waited for a resolution, until without warning a sense of relief flooded his system and his credits move up, if only a modest amount.

kraiklyn ace spades four of spades

zakalwe ace hearts queen hearts

jernau - king clubs nine hearts

jack spades

six spades

two hearts

seven diamonds

Four Diamonds

KRAIKLYN WINS THE HAND WITH A PAIR OF FOURS

Kriaklyn has not decided what to do with his two new lives, they have been informed though and when he decides they will either continue playing for his faction or be cashed in.

New cards coming to all three captains.

I was one of these 2 new lives.

Hugin & Munin, on 04 March 2011 - 03:39 PM, said:

kraiklyn -six clubs jack clubs
1 life +25 + 35

zakalwe nine hearts ten spades FOLDS
1 life + 25

jernau - jack hearts seven clubs
1 life + 25 + 25

king spades
two diamonds
ace clubs
seven hearts
ace spades

Jernau Wins and cashes in a life

Sorritt is dead - they were in the Kriaklyn Faction







It is Day 3.
13 Players still alive: barghast, fener, galayn lord, hood's path, kalse, korabas, liosan, merrid, omtose, osseric, rashan, ruse, silanah

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for merrid ( korabas, omtose, hp )
3 Votes for korabas ( kalse, galayn lord, merrid )

Players not voted: barghast, fener, liosan, osseric, rashan, ruse, silanah


Tellan

Sorritt was the other life, I believe.

[Kalse]

So you're saying you were traded to team K on hand...2, is it?

And then Sorrit was traded back on hand 3? So therefore you are team K?

[Osseric]

heh
complicated.
I htink my vote tonight will be either on Ruse or HP.

[Ruse]

Kalse, on 08 March 2011 - 11:00 PM, said:

So you're saying you were traded to team K on hand...2, is it?

And then Sorrit was traded back on hand 3? So therefore you are team K?

Not sure of the hand number, I was traded and kept (not knowing if I would live or die for a while)

Yes, still team K

[Silanah]

hmmmm. that actually makes sense. dammit. I didn't take into account that leader K, hadn't decided what to do with his lives prior to the hand. H&M had to wait to for K to decide what to do...ugh. Thats what messed me up. Well, crap. I guess that makes the Fm Gaylord. He was the only other person I hadn't placed on a team. Damn non retractible bets.

[Silanah]

That even fits with Ruse being on team Z at the start of day 3. So he isn't lying. I am gonna go crawl into a hole now.

[Kalse]

Alright, well, that makes this a case of he-said-she-said. Silanah, I guess you could see this one coming, but your claim now rests on the fact that Ruse was in Team K day 3, which he is essentially denying, from what I can see. Which means we either need to take your word on it, and assume Ruse guilty, or you'll need to tell us why you are so sure.

Sorry if this is epic cross-postage, because I had to leave the comp and come back and couldn't be bothered refreshing thread before posting.

[Kalse]

Eh, that's what I get for not refreshing. Heh.

Though I'm not sold on GL being the FM either, because I've had him placed on a team for ages now. Which leaves us with problems. *sigh*

[Osseric]

GL ain't the FM.
unless the FM jumped into his Alt.

[Omtose]

the hand could of started before K had decided, and ruse would still be placed at the bottom rung

H n M would of known they would get instructions before the end of the new hand so it wouldnt of mattered

either team K kept the new lives and ruse and sorrit would get put on the bottom of the chain, or he didnt cash them in and who ever was on the bottom of the chain already would stay there

there was only a possibility of three out comes and each of them could wait for captain K to turn up to be resolved

im not sure if korabas's reveal was before team K gave his instructions, maybe korabas started his attempt to define the teams before he recieved the new information. it would of been a sensible thing to do, team J had the majority at the time and should of banded together and voted for merrid, battle lines would of been drawn and team J could of cruised to victory.

maybe him receiveing the information in the middle of the day is what prompted him to reveal

[Barghast]

Well that was an interesting accusation and retraction by Sil, but I'm no stranger to having done the same in my mafia career. I haven't been following the game as closely as some of you, but I think you're right with the 5K-3J split about now.So the K faction can pretty much cruise to victory now. On the other hand, if the FM doesn't jump about killing people, what the heck does he do? Pushing to kill Jernau without eliminating the FM first may be... unfortunate. Extreme caution may be advisable at this juncture. ):L

[Osseric]

who'd'you like to lynch bargy?

[Ruse]

I think he's volunteering as either the FM or a member of Team J...

[Hugin & Munin]

It is Day 4.
9 Players still alive: barghast, galayn lord, hood's path, kalse, merrid, omtose, osseric, ruse, silanah

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for ruse ( silanah )

Players not voted: barghast, galayn lord, hood's path, kalse, merrid, omtose, osseric, ruse

[Merrid]

I'm around, just rereading and taking some notes.

[Barghast]

Ruse, on 09 March 2011 - 03:07 AM, said:

I think he's volunteering as either the FM or a member of Team J...

Oh I'm being perfectly as ambiguous as possible, because the card game can shift things about rather easily for me...

Anyways, regardless of my faction, HP still looks plenty bipolar to me which is the calling card of a traditional FM. This FM seems a bit weirder than most, I think maybe he switches alts only in life trades and cash-ins, but nevertheless it's the best sign I can see. Got anything better?

[Ruse]

Barghast, on 09 March 2011 - 03:27 AM, said:

Ruse, on 09 March 2011 - 03:07 AM, said:

I think he's volunteering as either the FM or a member of Team J...

Oh I'm being perfectly as ambiguous as possible, because the card game can shift things about rather easily for me...

Anyways, regardless of my faction, HP still looks plenty bipolar to me which is the calling card of a traditional FM. This FM seems a bit weirder than most, I think maybe he switches alts only in life trades and cash-ins, but nevertheless it's the best sign I can see. Got anything better?

Yeah, that was working for me too, but I had to come clean. But I feel unburdened now that everybody knows I'm down with Team K.

Maybe you should help vote off a member of Team J and declare your allegiance

Since you've got a boner for HP, I think he might fit that category, so twist his nipples and see if he'll confess

Edit: Added last line

This post has been edited by Ruse: 09 March 2011 - 03:33 AM

[Omtose]

i think the FM gets traded but cant be cashed in, the next played on the chain gets cashed in instead.

if theres no one else left then no one gets cashed in and the captain figures out why