[Ruse]

Silanah, on 07 March 2011 - 06:36 PM, said:

Hood, on 07 March 2011 - 05:23 PM, said:

Well if the fm is a life then he just got transferred to the k faction. Might be a good idea to cash that life in.

Also a little surprised that the z factions second was still alive.

Well, if this is true I am pretty sure I know who the FM is. the problem is, if the numbers are how I think they are... It wouldn't benefit my team to kill him as I think we are down in numbers. If he is gone, then we are out numbered and lose... such a dilema!

So who actually won that hand? And if the FM is on your team, won't he just kill everybody anyway if we don't lynch him?

[Merrid]

Ruse, on 07 March 2011 - 07:02 PM, said:

Silanah, on 07 March 2011 - 06:36 PM, said:

Hood, on 07 March 2011 - 05:23 PM, said:

Well if the fm is a life then he just got transferred to the k faction. Might be a good idea to cash that life in.

Also a little surprised that the z factions second was still alive.

Well, if this is true I am pretty sure I know who the FM is. the problem is, if the numbers are how I think they are... It wouldn't benefit my team to kill him as I think we are down in numbers. If he is gone, then we are out numbered and lose... such a dilema!

So who actually won that hand? And if the FM is on your team, won't he just kill everybody anyway if we don't lynch him?

It looks like Captain K won with three of a kind (trips); Captain J had two pair. I have to agree about the FM. The rules are coming into question a lot - if the FM is on a faction, does that mean he's really a "member" of that faction, i.e., his win condition is the same as other members of his faction (in this case the FM would have two win conditions)? I'd have to guess probably not, and the FM has no reason to vote with his team (other than to keep up appearances). I mean, there's nothing preventing the FM from "allying" himself with the faction he's currently on and voting that way, but eventually he's coming after everyone.

[Silanah]

Ruse, on 07 March 2011 - 07:02 PM, said:

Silanah, on 07 March 2011 - 06:36 PM, said:

Hood, on 07 March 2011 - 05:23 PM, said:

Well if the fm is a life then he just got transferred to the k faction. Might be a good idea to cash that life in.

Also a little surprised that the z factions second was still alive.

Well, if this is true I am pretty sure I know who the FM is. the problem is, if the numbers are how I think they are... It wouldn't benefit my team to kill him as I think we are down in numbers. If he is gone, then we are out numbered and lose... such a dilema!

So who actually won that hand? And if the FM is on your team, won't he just kill everybody anyway if we don't lynch him?

K won the Hand. 10 ppl left. 4 on J, 5 on K, and 1 FM (who i guess is considered on K as well) If we lynch off the FM it's 5 vs. 4. I guess I could rely on my team still having it's poisoner around. Actually... there is a card game. going on. If My lead manages to win the next card game or if my poisoner manages to get a kill in then things might be ok. I need to think about this.

[Hugin & Munin]

Fener moved around the arena, a small symbol in the corner of his vision blinking on and off all day had suddenly disappeared and for a moment he had a clarity of thought, at leats he assumed it was his thoughts. It was hard to tell with that infernal thrum. He knew somehow it was his fault, but then that didnt make sense. And when suddenly his world became a very long tunnel with a very small train in it, it was the simplest thing in the world to step on and to head off toward a small green light at the end of the tunnel.

He hadnt counted on the flayers, slashers, flamers, grippers, gritters, salters, smokers, slappers, ticklers, strippers (not in a good way) the crushers, toasters, pestal and mortars, the liquifiers, aquifiers, pacifiers or knifes. By the end of the tunnel there wasnt much left, but what there was hurt like a bastard.

Fener is dead, he was of the Jernau Faction.

[Hugin & Munin]

9 Players still alive: barghast, galayn lord, hood's path, kalse, merrid, omtose, osseric, ruse, silanah

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: barghast, galayn lord, hood's path, kalse, merrid, omtose, osseric, ruse, silanah

[Ruse]

Merrid, on 07 March 2011 - 07:15 PM, said:

Ruse, on 07 March 2011 - 07:02 PM, said:

Silanah, on 07 March 2011 - 06:36 PM, said:

Hood, on 07 March 2011 - 05:23 PM, said:

Well if the fm is a life then he just got transferred to the k faction. Might be a good idea to cash that life in.

Also a little surprised that the z factions second was still alive.

Well, if this is true I am pretty sure I know who the FM is. the problem is, if the numbers are how I think they are... It wouldn't benefit my team to kill him as I think we are down in numbers. If he is gone, then we are out numbered and lose... such a dilema!

So who actually won that hand? And if the FM is on your team, won't he just kill everybody anyway if we don't lynch him?

It looks like Captain K won with three of a kind (trips); Captain J had two pair. I have to agree about the FM. The rules are coming into question a lot - if the FM is on a faction, does that mean he's really a "member" of that faction, i.e., his win condition is the same as other members of his faction (in this case the FM would have two win conditions)? I'd have to guess probably not, and the FM has no reason to vote with his team (other than to keep up appearances). I mean, there's nothing preventing the FM from "allying" himself with the faction he's currently on and voting that way, but eventually he's coming after everyone.

Silanah, on 07 March 2011 - 07:48 PM, said:

Ruse, on 07 March 2011 - 07:02 PM, said:

Silanah, on 07 March 2011 - 06:36 PM, said:

Hood, on 07 March 2011 - 05:23 PM, said:

Well if the fm is a life then he just got transferred to the k faction. Might be a good idea to cash that life in.

Also a little surprised that the z factions second was still alive.

Well, if this is true I am pretty sure I know who the FM is. the problem is, if the numbers are how I think they are... It wouldn't benefit my team to kill him as I think we are down in numbers. If he is gone, then we are out numbered and lose... such a dilema!

So who actually won that hand? And if the FM is on your team, won't he just kill everybody anyway if we don't lynch him?

K won the Hand. 10 ppl left. 4 on J, 5 on K, and 1 FM (who i guess is considered on K as well) If we lynch off the FM it's 5 vs. 4. I guess I could rely on my team still having it's poisoner around. Actually... there is a card game. going on. If My lead manages to win the next card game or if my poisoner manages to get a kill in then things might be ok. I need to think about this.

Thanks it was the "trips" thing that threw me off, not up to date on my poker terminology

[Merrid]

Silanah, on 07 March 2011 - 07:48 PM, said:

Ruse, on 07 March 2011 - 07:02 PM, said:

Silanah, on 07 March 2011 - 06:36 PM, said:

Hood, on 07 March 2011 - 05:23 PM, said:

Well if the fm is a life then he just got transferred to the k faction. Might be a good idea to cash that life in.

Also a little surprised that the z factions second was still alive.

Well, if this is true I am pretty sure I know who the FM is. the problem is, if the numbers are how I think they are... It wouldn't benefit my team to kill him as I think we are down in numbers. If he is gone, then we are out numbered and lose... such a dilema!

So who actually won that hand? And if the FM is on your team, won't he just kill everybody anyway if we don't lynch him?

K won the Hand. 10 ppl left. 4 on J, 5 on K, and 1 FM (who i guess is considered on K as well) If we lynch off the FM it's 5 vs. 4. I guess I could rely on my team still having it's poisoner around. Actually... there is a card game. going on. If My lead manages to win the next card game or if my poisoner manages to get a kill in then things might be ok. I need to think about this.

Fener's death looks like the cash in from Captain K winning the hand, which means he could have been the FM, but the scene doesn't really indicate that. I've been thinking about the CFs recently, and when dibs said "faction only", perhaps he was being dead serious? If every player (including the 2 mystery players) is on a faction, then perhaps we won't even know if we hit the FM. It looks like even the CFs from the deaths of Team Z's Captain and Second don't include their roles; we don't know which of them was which. Only the death scene lets on that they are roled, and probably because the card game was the direct cause of the Captain's death - that would be impossible to hide, since there is one less player in the card game.

If that's true then even the FM and the other role (FM hunter?) will not CF as roled, but just as another faction member. I bring this up particularly due to the faction math above - if that's correct, and with Fener down it's now K - 5, J -4, that means that the other role (FM hunter or whatever) is already down (possibly Korabas?). Otherwise, we have another mystery player in our midst and who's to say they are really playing for their faction? Perhaps their win conditions are different.

[Merrid]

Well, above I say that the Fener's death scene doesn't indicate he's the FM, but what about the long tunnel and getting ripped to pieces? Seems like some sort of afterlife-type punishment; perhaps for being a traitor and betraying everyone? I don't think we've seen anything like that in the other scenes.

[Silanah]

Yeah, probably a good move by K to cash in that life. If what Korb said was true... then he was the FM.

As I was reading up more closely something Korabas said doesn't mesh with my findings. If he was telling the truth, then My suspected FM is off.

[Hugin & Munin]

No roles will be given in cf's and all scenes are purely for entertainment value, every player must always be a member of a faction.

[Merrid]

Hugin & Munin, on 07 March 2011 - 09:04 PM, said:

No roles will be given in cf's and all scenes are purely for entertainment value, every player must always be a member of a faction.

This confirmation lends WAY more weight to Korabas's reveal... How could he know that the FM and the other role were on factions if he was lying? Seems like almost everyone else assumed the FM was factionless.

Someone earlier wondered why people (like me) were going back and forth on Korabas's reveal. The reason is that there has been almost no hard evidence to prove whether Korabas was lying or not. There was circumstantial evidence, maybe, but nothing definitive. So it makes sense to explore both possibilities - a) Korabas is lying, and Korabas is telling the truth. Clearly understanding both hypotheticals makes decision-making easier, I think, and also leads to flaws in reasoning that might show why one viewpoint is invalid or vice versa. In short, it makes sense to consider all the options when there's no proof.

If Korabas was telling the truth, then the only players left are straight faction members; the FM and FM hunter are gone.

[Omtose]

what if feners death wasnt the cash in, but the FMs leap into a different alt?

hopefuly we managed to get rid of the FM because otherwise the only chance we have of taking him out is by random chance

[Hood's Path]

Merrid, on 07 March 2011 - 09:24 PM, said:

Hugin & Munin, on 07 March 2011 - 09:04 PM, said:

No roles will be given in cf's and all scenes are purely for entertainment value, every player must always be a member of a faction.

This confirmation lends WAY more weight to Korabas's reveal... How could he know that the FM and the other role were on factions if he was lying? Seems like almost everyone else assumed the FM was factionless.

Someone earlier wondered why people (like me) were going back and forth on Korabas's reveal. The reason is that there has been almost no hard evidence to prove whether Korabas was lying or not. There was circumstantial evidence, maybe, but nothing definitive. So it makes sense to explore both possibilities - a) Korabas is lying, and Korabas is telling the truth. Clearly understanding both hypotheticals makes decision-making easier, I think, and also leads to flaws in reasoning that might show why one viewpoint is invalid or vice versa. In short, it makes sense to consider all the options when there's no proof.

If Korabas was telling the truth, then the only players left are straight faction members; the FM and FM hunter are gone.

I think that this statement is optimistic thinking at best. Truth is we have no way of knowing if the FM is gone. Unless it does what Korbas does and reveals so that we can lynch it. Personally I think that it is very likely that the FM is still alive.

[Ruse]

So if the FM is alive, would the death of Fener signify his moving to a new "host" avatar or is he still in his original guise? If DiBs says that scenes are for entertainment only, maybe we wouldn't be given a description that would indicate a kill and swap.

Aside from FM issues, the faction war remains in effect, but participation seems low, but I know RL can have that effect.

[Barghast]

Hi all, weekend's over, monday party's over, time to get back into mafia, huh. In reading up does anyone else feel (like me) that HP was laying low until the Korabas lynch and has now seemingly exploded out of nowhere to support Korabas after his death? It gives me the sinking suspicion that HP is the FM who, now that Korabas is dead, has jumped on supporting him extremely vehemently to throw us off his scent. But it really seems like he came out of nowhere to argue this much more passionately than anything else he's spoken of so far.

[Barghast]

Ruse, on 08 March 2011 - 03:11 AM, said:

So if the FM is alive, would the death of Fener signify his moving to a new "host" avatar or is he still in his original guise? If DiBs says that scenes are for entertainment only, maybe we wouldn't be given a description that would indicate a kill and swap.

Aside from FM issues, the faction war remains in effect, but participation seems low, but I know RL can have that effect.

By typical FM rules, the FM would have been in the Fener alt, and has now shifted to someone else, killing the person who was in that alt (who gets Fener's death scene/statement).

[Merrid]

Omtose, on 08 March 2011 - 12:03 AM, said:

what if feners death wasnt the cash in, but the FMs leap into a different alt?

hopefuly we managed to get rid of the FM because otherwise the only chance we have of taking him out is by random chance

Isn't the FM's "Replace" action resolved at night? So that person would die at the beginning of the day, when the FM moves. It's been Day 4 for awhile now. Unless I am misunderstanding the FM mechanics, it's impossible for Fener's death to be the result of an FM jump.

Hood, on 08 March 2011 - 02:33 AM, said:

Merrid, on 07 March 2011 - 09:24 PM, said:

Hugin & Munin, on 07 March 2011 - 09:04 PM, said:

No roles will be given in cf's and all scenes are purely for entertainment value, every player must always be a member of a faction.

This confirmation lends WAY more weight to Korabas's reveal... How could he know that the FM and the other role were on factions if he was lying? Seems like almost everyone else assumed the FM was factionless.

Someone earlier wondered why people (like me) were going back and forth on Korabas's reveal. The reason is that there has been almost no hard evidence to prove whether Korabas was lying or not. There was circumstantial evidence, maybe, but nothing definitive. So it makes sense to explore both possibilities - a) Korabas is lying, and Korabas is telling the truth. Clearly understanding both hypotheticals makes decision-making easier, I think, and also leads to flaws in reasoning that might show why one viewpoint is invalid or vice versa. In short, it makes sense to consider all the options when there's no proof.

If Korabas was telling the truth, then the only players left are straight faction members; the FM and FM hunter are gone.

I think that this statement is optimistic thinking at best. Truth is we have no way of knowing if the FM is gone. Unless it does what Korbas does and reveals so that we can lynch it. Personally I think that it is very likely that the FM is still alive.

Well, it's not optimistic, it's just logical. If Korabas really knows that the FM just got traded to Team J, and then on the next hand, when the lowest Life is being wagered, Captain J loses and K cashes in the Life from Team J - then the FM is dead. The only way this can't be true is if someone is lying or there is an unknown mechanic like "The FM can't be wagered in the card game and instead the next Life in line gets wagered". Of course, anything is possible, and I'm not even saying I totally buy that Korabas was telling the truth. Hell, maybe Korabas was another FM, and that's why he knew that the FM was on a faction.

Like I said before, let's just look at the possibilities. If Korabas was totally lying and pulling a fake reveal to save his sorry ass, then who was he and why did he say what he said? If he was a random Life, it seems impossible for him to guess that the FM is on a faction and be right - unless it was written somewhere we all missed? I feel like H&M's confirmation was really the first official word we've had. Maybe Captains were given this information? And Korabas's Second just took over for him. Regardless, if Korabas was bullshitting the whole thing, then we have no info at all and we might as well go back to just picking someone or playing the faction game. If it's possible that part of what he said was true, then we ought to at least consider it.

[Osseric]

Barghast, on 08 March 2011 - 03:18 AM, said:

Hi all, weekend's over, monday party's over, time to get back into mafia, huh. In reading up does anyone else feel (like me) that HP was laying low until the Korabas lynch and has now seemingly exploded out of nowhere to support Korabas after his death? It gives me the sinking suspicion that HP is the FM who, now that Korabas is dead, has jumped on supporting him extremely vehemently to throw us off his scent. But it really seems like he came out of nowhere to argue this much more passionately than anything else he's spoken of so far.

which is funny, since he was pretty hung up about either you or Ruse being the FM,

although I do agree his self-rigteousness was a bit odd...

[Hugin & Munin]

With Zakalwe gone, the game intensifies, heads up between the biggest heads the game could find. Both captains receive their cards, Kraiklyn throws down 50 credits, Jernau calls and the flop is dealt.

All Captains bet 50 credits

Ten of Diamonds
Eight of Spades
Ace of Clubs
King of Spades
Jack of Diamonds

[Ruse]

Osseric, on 08 March 2011 - 06:03 AM, said:

Barghast, on 08 March 2011 - 03:18 AM, said:

Hi all, weekend's over, monday party's over, time to get back into mafia, huh. In reading up does anyone else feel (like me) that HP was laying low until the Korabas lynch and has now seemingly exploded out of nowhere to support Korabas after his death? It gives me the sinking suspicion that HP is the FM who, now that Korabas is dead, has jumped on supporting him extremely vehemently to throw us off his scent. But it really seems like he came out of nowhere to argue this much more passionately than anything else he's spoken of so far.

which is funny, since he was pretty hung up about either you or Ruse being the FM,

although I do agree his self-rigteousness was a bit odd...

Yeah, Barg is jumping up pointing fingers while Fener's corpse is still smoking. Subtle.

I have replied to HP's comments regarding my self, and rest comfortably. Yes, he was coming off a bit high & mighty.


By the way, WHERE THE FRIGGIN" FRIG IS EVERYBODY? I'm actually forced to get some work done.