[Rashan]

the other low poster is Kessobahn with 5 posts. the only thing making me less suspicious of him is that he hasn't voted yet.

Kessobahn, on 30 November 2010 - 10:18 PM, said:

... I think the first thing I'm going to do is make myself a more simplified map, without any extraneous information.

first post. checking in

Kessobahn, on 01 December 2010 - 06:35 AM, said:

Serc, on 01 December 2010 - 03:08 AM, said:

Not much point discussing numbers/roles at this stage in the game, I feel, but we'll see. Personally, I suspect that Yuan Shao probably has the biggest faction, seeing as the other two are set against him, and both have a better chance at victory; unless he's got some amazingly powerful roles in there, that would leave the Yuan Shao faction in a bad way.
Meh. We'll see, I am most likely wrong, as I don't know what roles are out there and how the "board" or "map" mechanic would factor into this.

I suspect the map will come into play largely in the sense of hitting your allies - Yuan Shao's faction has less of a chance of actions that will kill friendlies, which will be a balancing factor. People starting in Han Zhong and Jian Ling having the greatest chances of that.

I think.

just adding to the atmosphere at the time

Kessobahn, on 02 December 2010 - 03:14 AM, said:

Wow, just completely missed everything. And not just due to time zones - I was rather distracted all day RL by some construction going on at home.

Doing a read-through. Not as easy to skim as usual because of the names.

Kessobahn, on 02 December 2010 - 03:37 AM, said:

OK ... that was a very, very quick speed-lynch of Liosan. Understandable, given the lateness in the Day - hell, it could have just as easily been me. If it had been earlier, it would have been suspicious, and probably directed, but it's very hard to tell with time winding down.

I'm really trying to avoid reading too much into the scenes. Or maybe I'm just being lazy because of all the Chinese names.

I'm not going to speculate on numbers distribution at this point. It could be a YS majority of low-powered Roles ... it could be a YS minority of high-powered Roles and recruitment capability. There's absolutely no way to know (well, for anyone who's not actually in that faction).

Kessobahn, on 02 December 2010 - 07:11 AM, said:

Omtose, on 02 December 2010 - 05:49 AM, said:

Oh good, night actions are resolved right before I head out. Interesting, one dead from HZ and one dead from YS. Any idea on what role Serc might have had?

...And Mockra, you do realize that what you just said seems to be advertising yourself to be HZ or ZX?

In a game where so far the two allied factions are thinking of themselves as being town, as opposed to YS being scum (and I've seen this line of thinking a lot), that's not exactly a giveaway.

And Serc sounds like a Recruiter. If so, YS just got a kick in the nuts, as I'm leaning more and more towards them being Cult-like (even if the language of the narrative is more militaresque, talking about infiltrators and spies and traitors and whatnot).

i think he is genuinly a low poster because he doesn't have the time. i know of one player that said they'd be a low poster if they play regardless of role. he isn't attacking anyone or building cases or jumping on the lynch train like Tiamatha and Ruse.

[Rashan]

maybe i am making enemies here, but Tiamathat and Ruse are both very suspicious to me. it would be good to hear what other people think

[Emurlahn]

Zhang xiu(leader)=stationed at Han Zhong

zhuge jin =Shang Yong

Huang Zhong (leader) = Jiang Ling
Liu Zong = Jiang Ling
Pang Tong =Jiang Ling
Wei Yan is = Fang Ling
Kuai Yue, a former advisor to Liu Biao, is dead. (Liosan and High Mage Quick Ben)



Yuan shao(leader)Xiang River
Wen Ping ---defector = unknown originality, probable Huang Zhong (or at least thats how i read it) presumably in Xiang Yang still
Wen Chou = Mai Chang

Lü Kuang

Lü Xiang

Yang Dajang, chief officer of personnel of Yuan Shao's forces, is dead. (Serc and Lisheo

　

unknown

Zhang Yun, probs yuan shao or a npc

Wei Xu's only info is its yuan shao's enemy





i put kaui yue (liosan) on Huang zongs team because i dont no whose side liu biao was on

[Rashan]

Emurlahn, on 02 December 2010 - 09:55 AM, said:

Zhang xiu(leader)=stationed at Han Zhong

zhuge jin =Shang Yong

Huang Zhong (leader) = Jiang Ling
Liu Zong = Jiang Ling
Pang Tong =Jiang Ling
Wei Yan is = Fang Ling
Kuai Yue, a former advisor to Liu Biao, is dead. (Liosan and High Mage Quick Ben)



Yuan shao(leader)Xiang River
Wen Ping ---defector = unknown originality, probable Huang Zhong (or at least thats how i read it) presumably in Xiang Yang still
Wen Chou = Mai Chang

Lü Kuang

Lü Xiang

Yang Dajang, chief officer of personnel of Yuan Shao's forces, is dead. (Serc and Lisheo

　

unknown

Zhang Yun, probs yuan shao or a npc

Wei Xu's only info is its yuan shao's enemy





i put kaui yue (liosan) on Huang zongs team because i dont no whose side liu biao was on

very helpful in terms of teams. that would look like 5 5 4 spread. the last two must be in team 1 on your list.

that helps in terms of numbers, but who's on who's team. who looks suspicious to you?

[Korabas]

Rashan, on 02 December 2010 - 09:49 AM, said:

maybe i am making enemies here, but Tiamathat and Ruse are both very suspicious to me. it would be good to hear what other people think

Tiamatha is, if I am alting him correctly, playing his own personal game - he likes mechanics and talking about them. Unforetunately, this game he has done this at the expense of contributing on the state of play itself.

Ruse... well, Ruse. Not much to say. Recap, defense, vote to get a lynch. I don't see much out of the ordinary compared to a regular low poster.

I actually would be fairly interested in your alignment/CF, Rashan.

You (Rashan) were voting Ruse when Mockra looked a likely lynch, and Serc, who showed a massive amount of compassion with Mockra on account of players being away on life, but did not hesitate all that much to vote Liosan, who essentially was in the same position, wasn't he?

If Mockra is indeed a bigwig and needed protection from a lynch, it was the two of you providing it. We have Serc's CF. if there is a similarity between his and yours, I dare say we found someone really important in the YS as well.

[Emurlahn]

theres 15 names there, goin on the assumption that everyone of those names is a real char and not a npc (which is in no way possible) there are



Zhang xiu
2 names including the leader, my guess is one of the unknown char is on this team, so brings it to three

Huang Zhong
5 including the leader and one dead

Yuan shao
6 including the leader and one dead and one defector

2 unknown
one most likely to be on Yuans Team, the other on Zhang xui

[Korabas]

/waves at DeadHedge.

[Rashan]

Korabas, on 02 December 2010 - 10:06 AM, said:

Rashan, on 02 December 2010 - 09:49 AM, said:

maybe i am making enemies here, but Tiamathat and Ruse are both very suspicious to me. it would be good to hear what other people think

Tiamatha is, if I am alting him correctly, playing his own personal game - he likes mechanics and talking about them. Unforetunately, this game he has done this at the expense of contributing on the state of play itself.

Ruse... well, Ruse. Not much to say. Recap, defense, vote to get a lynch. I don't see much out of the ordinary compared to a regular low poster.

I actually would be fairly interested in your alignment/CF, Rashan.

You (Rashan) were voting Ruse when Mockra looked a likely lynch, and Serc, who showed a massive amount of compassion with Mockra on account of players being away on life, but did not hesitate all that much to vote Liosan, who essentially was in the same position, wasn't he?

If Mockra is indeed a bigwig and needed protection from a lynch, it was the two of you providing it. We have Serc's CF. if there is a similarity between his and yours, I dare say we found someone really important in the YS as well.

you dare say hey, there wasn't a case on Mockra, he started speaking didn't he, people have pointed out the fact that you where giving him defense as well. I was ready to vote mockra but then he started chipping in, if you look at the times of the post they where all at the same time, it wasn't like a came on waited an then posted i came on and posted straight away just like he did, then seeing his post i withdrew my vote.

i didn't vote on the Liosan train. Again I voted for ruse as he was very suspect to me. I wouldn't vote for someone unless they gave me reason to. i'm not a baddie, if i was i wouldn't build cases and put myself in the firing line.

[Merrid]

Emurlahn, on 02 December 2010 - 09:55 AM, said:

unknown

Zhang Yun, probs yuan shao or a npc

Wei Xu's only info is its yuan shao's enemy

i put kaui yue (liosan) on Huang zongs team because i dont no whose side liu biao was on

Going by family names (the first ones), I'd place Zhang Yun with Zhang Xiu, and Wei Xu and Kaui Yue with Huang Zhong, since they have relatives in those factions (at least, I imagine they're relatives). So it would be:

Zhang xiu(leader)=stationed at Han Zhong

zhuge jin =Shang Yong
Zhang Yun

Huang Zhong (leader) = Jiang Ling
Liu Zong = Jiang Ling
Pang Tong =Jiang Ling
Wei Yan is = Fang Ling
Wei Xu
Kuai Yue, a former advisor to Liu Biao, is dead. (Liosan and High Mage Quick Ben)

Yuan shao(leader)Xiang River
Wen Ping ---defector = unknown originality, probable Huang Zhong (or at least thats how i read it) presumably in Xiang Yang still
Wen Chou = Mai Chang
Lü Kuang
Lü Xiang
Yang Dajang, chief officer of personnel of Yuan Shao's forces, is dead. (Serc and Lisheo)

So it looks like we'd have to relatively equal sides in Yuan Shao and Huang Zhong, and a slightly smaller one in Zhang Xiu. There are 15 names there though, so some of them are obviously NPCs. Gives a bit of an idea of the demographics though.

EDIT - maths fail

This post has been edited by Merrid: 02 December 2010 - 10:43 AM

[Emurlahn]

for the billionth time there are no badies its a faction game....and im impressed with the leg work uve done on ur cases, but korabas does make a good point too

[Merrid]

Looking at the wiki for Liu Biao tells me that he once had an alliance with Yuan Shao against his brother Yuan Shu. Not sure how that helps...

[Emurlahn]

and zhang young activly killed the guys stoping yuans forces which is why i put him on yuans team

[Rashan]

okay not baddie. "enemy" is that a better word? YS are the enemy primarily are they not? and could enemy be classed as baddie? we are routing out the other team aren't we?

[Emurlahn]

next game better have european names or my mind will explode,

kudos to drek tho, this game is amazing, even the names add to the feel and depth of the game (even if they are confusing as hell)

[Emurlahn]

well two teams are, from team yuans perspective there the goodies

[Merrid]

Rashan, on 02 December 2010 - 10:49 AM, said:

okay not baddie. "enemy" is that a better word? YS are the enemy primarily are they not? and could enemy be classed as baddie? we are routing out the other team aren't we?

This is a faction game. Everyone will have different enemies (and goals) depending on the faction that they are in. Yuan Shao are simply the common enemy of what is likely the majority.

[Korabas]

Rashan, on 02 December 2010 - 10:49 AM, said:

okay not baddie. "enemy" is that a better word? YS are the enemy primarily are they not? and could enemy be classed as baddie? we are routing out the other team aren't we?

YS is only the enemy if you are one of the other two factions.
ZX and ZH are the enemy if you are with YS.

Now, here is some free advice, as you are either completely new, relatively or not new at all but pretending:

It is generally a VERY BAD idea to hint you are not with XYZ in a faction game, especially in the early stages, let alone state that explicitly like you have been doing consistently - you want to keep all options open.
Regardless of what side you are on and whether or not they have a majority in either numbers or night actions, you WILL make a target out of yourself for the other faction(s), who have nothing to lose and a lot to gain in removing you.

Honestly, the way you are trying to seem on the (EDIT:) in your words non-scum/enemy/good/ZX-ZH side is quite cramped and leads me to suspect you are anything but. Moreso because IF your own team knows you are really on their side, there will be no collateral damage through night actions as a result.

This post has been edited by Korabas: 02 December 2010 - 11:10 AM

[Korabas]

Merrid, on 02 December 2010 - 10:44 AM, said:

Looking at the wiki for Liu Biao tells me that he once had an alliance with Yuan Shao against his brother Yuan Shu. Not sure how that helps...

Does this also compute with the fact that Yuan Shao actively replaced Cao Cao in D'rek's ME Mafia version?

[Merrid]

Korabas, on 02 December 2010 - 11:04 AM, said:

Merrid, on 02 December 2010 - 10:44 AM, said:

Looking at the wiki for Liu Biao tells me that he once had an alliance with Yuan Shao against his brother Yuan Shu. Not sure how that helps...

Does this also compute with the fact that Yuan Shao actively replaced Cao Cao in D'rek's ME Mafia version?

Ah, well I didn't know that. That definitely places Kuai Yue in Huang Zhong then, since Liu Biao apparently opposed Cao Cao and sheltered Liu Bei (scum in the last game).

[Rashan]

Korabas, on 02 December 2010 - 11:02 AM, said:

Rashan, on 02 December 2010 - 10:49 AM, said:

okay not baddie. "enemy" is that a better word? YS are the enemy primarily are they not? and could enemy be classed as baddie? we are routing out the other team aren't we?

YS is only the enemy if you are one of the other two factions.
ZX and ZH are the enemy if you are with YS.

Now, here is some free advice, as you are either completely new, relatively or not new at all but pretending:

It is generally a VERY BAD idea to hint you are not with XYZ in a faction game, especially in the early stages, let alone state that explicitly like you have been doing consistently - you want to keep all options open.
Regardless of what side you are on and whether or not they have a majority in either numbers or night actions, you WILL make a target out of yourself for the other faction(s), who have nothing to lose and a lot to gain in removing you.

Honestly, the way you are trying to seem on the (EDIT:) in your words non-scum/enemy/good/ZX-ZH side is quite cramped and leads me to suspect you are anything but. Moreso because IF your own team knows you are really on their side, there will be no collateral damage through night actions as a result.

only a YS player would say this, there are two armies against one here. i would be targeted by a YS player at the moment because i am building cases and giving my allegiance. if you were not with YS you would sound me out so that everyone can take a look at me. you build 2 trains and got someone lynched, i haven't looked at you too much because you have been contributing quite well, but I will turn my gaze towards you and see what you have been contributing. at the same time, it isn't 3 factions all against each other, there are 2 against YS. Yes there are secondary conditions but this only matters towards the end of the game. the primary goal is for people to kill YS or YS to kill everyone else.