[Merrid]

Rashan, on 02 December 2010 - 01:42 PM, said:

withou him attacking me, his other post was checking in, and his other was to lynch. nothing else. he joined in to lynch, no thoughts on it and then disappeared!!!

Ok, I see your point. It tells you jack about what faction they could be on though, unless you're certain in some way he isn't with you. I could see myself voting that way, but you could level the same complaints against Silchas, Tiam and Tulas with equal validity. Well, minus the attack on others, as they've made no waves at all, merely hopped on the trains and done pretty much nothing else.

[Merrid]

Emurlahn, on 02 December 2010 - 01:53 PM, said:

i thought the go team thing was a pretty suspicious comment from mockra

as for serc saying mockra had a power role....so what? dont we all?

We're all roled to some extent, but what is the benefit of labeling your own teammate's play as indicative of somebody hiding something? There isn't one, in my mind.

[Korabas]

Emurlahn, on 02 December 2010 - 01:42 PM, said:

rashan has already posted a case on ruse, or at least picked out all of his posts, and ruse has yet to make any comment

Rashan, on 02 December 2010 - 01:42 PM, said:

withou him attacking me, his other post was checking in, and his other was to lynch. nothing else. he joined in to lynch, no thoughts on it and then disappeared!!!

a. the 'attack' more of a pin prick, and not illogical or out of left field (I said the same) . Moreoever, attacks elicit responses and without response, you can't analyse anything.

b. no reason for voting when we play 'lynch the low posting coaster' is hardly a capital crime.

that being said, he is one of the players I want to hear more from.

[Emurlahn]

if serc knew who his team mates were the i agree, but if he didnt know mockra was on his side at the time he posted...

[Korabas]

Emurlahn, on 02 December 2010 - 01:53 PM, said:

i thought the go team thing was a pretty suspicious comment from mockra

as for serc saying mockra had a power role....so what? dont we all?

It is pure wifom so I discarded thinking about it the second I read it.
EDIT: I meant the 'go team' thing.

This post has been edited by Korabas: 02 December 2010 - 02:04 PM

[Emurlahn]

im interested in hearing from pretty much everyone else apart from myself korabus merrid and rashan....(not that i dont wanna talk to u guys, but it seams like its just us 4 talking)

[Korabas]

Emurlahn, on 02 December 2010 - 02:04 PM, said:

im interested in hearing from pretty much everyone else apart from myself korabus merrid and rashan....(not that i dont wanna talk to u guys, but it seams like its just us 4 talking)

It is one of the joys of being old-world aristocrats.

[Rashan]

Merrid, on 02 December 2010 - 01:54 PM, said:

Rashan, on 02 December 2010 - 01:42 PM, said:

withou him attacking me, his other post was checking in, and his other was to lynch. nothing else. he joined in to lynch, no thoughts on it and then disappeared!!!

Ok, I see your point. It tells you jack about what faction they could be on though, unless you're certain in some way he isn't with you. I could see myself voting that way, but you could level the same complaints against Silchas, Tiam and Tulas with equal validity. Well, minus the attack on others, as they've made no waves at all, merely hopped on the trains and done pretty much nothing else.

I have also stated that Tiam would be a good lynch at the moment. I would change my vote to tiam or mockra, silchas has not made any waves and nor has tulas but they are around the middle of the pack at the moment so i've got no complaints

[Omtose]

Okay guys, back for a few hours. Nice to see some more case building, and as promised I'm going to do a complete read through of the thread. Tiamatha, Tulas, and Silchas are people whose posts I'm going to specifically be looking for; as others have pointed out, I got an odd vibe from some of Tiam's posts. For the latter two, for the life of me I can't remember them saying much of anything so far.

Emurlahn, on 02 December 2010 - 01:53 PM, said:

i thought the go team thing was a pretty suspicious comment from mockra

as for serc saying mockra had a power role....so what? dont we all?

Well, some roles are more powerful than others. I don't know the specifics on OM, but it seems like, if played correctly, that role could do some serious damage to the oppossing faction(s). It also seems he knew at least one other team member due to his "I'll reveal my team" rant earlier.

[Rashan]

there was something somewhere about people being spies, or getting in with a team and basically sabotaging the team. does this ring a bell to anyone? i'll have a look, maybe it was just in one of the scenes

[Merrid]

Emurlahn, on 02 December 2010 - 02:02 PM, said:

if serc knew who his team mates were the i agree, but if he didnt know mockra was on his side at the time he posted...

True, but then how would Serc know to defend Rashan (by attacking Ruse) and not vote for Mockra if he didn't know who they were? For all he knew they were not on his team, and the comment about Mockra's play and refusal to vote is the first things he says about Mockra in the same post. His Liosan vote seemed like Ruse's and Emurlahn's when I read it - 'Liosan looks like the only target and we need a lynch'. Eh, I might be being close-minded, but I'm not seeing it as likely. Possible, surely. but not likely.

[Merrid]

Yay someone else to talk to.

Rashan, on 02 December 2010 - 02:15 PM, said:

there was something somewhere about people being spies, or getting in with a team and basically sabotaging the team. does this ring a bell to anyone? i'll have a look, maybe it was just in one of the scenes

There seems to be a mechanic whereby players can defect to another team, feigned or otherwise, yes.

Quote

A wise bird chooses its branch, a wise man chooses his leader. Allegiances are difficult to trust. Officers may defect between forces, or may feign defection in order to infiltrate the enemy camp.

[Omtose]

Okay, I'll start with Tulas:

Tulas Shorn, on 01 December 2010 - 11:36 PM, said:

Of the two, Ruse seemed to actually know what's going on
remove vote ]

Liosan had those 3 posts and that's it, right?

apopgies, kinda sweamped right now, should be bable to play more later.

how much time we have left, btw?

This is the only post of us that particularly caught my eye. He said he should be able to play more later, but could never get back on. It's been what, 15 hours since then? Of course, he could have just been so "swamped" that he wasn't able to get back on, or for some reason he didn't want to vote for Liosan.

Other then this, his only real contributive posts happened at the beginning of Day 1 (numbers speculation and talking about things that had happened in other games).

[Omtose]

Silchas:

Silchas Ruin, on 01 December 2010 - 08:09 PM, said:

Hello- Back for a bit and all caught up, thoughts:

1. I agree with Serc that operations masters aren't necessarily the leaders
2. I feel those with more defensive abilities will probably be residing on the outskirts, while those with offensive abilities are more likely to play in the middle to ensure action success...of course survivability comes into play so it's really a big ol plate of Wifom
3. I am fine with voting off low ,non contributing posters, there is a difference.
4. I also noticed that Merrid backed off as soon as he was called out and it was definately the first thing that pinged my radar in this game.
5. This is going to be another tough game in terms of train analyzation as OP states not everyone knows who is on their team, makes pisking out teams a bit more difficult.
6. The Cake is a lie

Unless I missed a more recent post (or unless I did the math wrong), he's been gone for ~17 hours. He last checked in around one to vote for Mockra, saying that he'd be back for "a bit". It's hard to know if he was around when things started shifting towards Liosan, though - I wasn't paying any particular attention to how many people were reading the thread at the time. Anyway, other then that, nothing really sticks out - at this point he's just another low poster.

[Rashan]

Tulas Shorn 11
Silchas Ruin 9
Tiamatha 7
Ruse 6
Kessobahn 5

okay well as low posters go Kessobahn is lowest then Tiam and Ruse who are the ones that have been on my radar. Silchas and tulas are around the same level of posts, i think we have justification to move against the bottom three, call them out and make them play. it would be good to see if i am right about Ruse!

[Omtose]

Tiamatha, on 01 December 2010 - 07:26 PM, said:

Right just considering the map, it obvious not every single player could move cause they move to the central town which is adjacent to the three remaining towns and wipe out the point of the map.

So there has to be some players that are stationary, but the best thing to happen is for every player who can move to move to the central town, thus ensuring a higgher success rate of NA.

Cause the Yuan Shau killers are going to do that to give them the ability be able to kill anyone with their NA. What the point of sitting in a satelite town if it reduces the chance of a successful night action before other night action are considered if you have the ability to move.

If you have the ability to move then it best to move to the central town and then increase the chance of a successful NA.

Tiamatha, on 01 December 2010 - 10:54 PM, said:

The roles I think that may not be able to move, are the support roles. So leaders and healers and possibly guards.

Some suggestion that if you can move, you should try to minimise the risk by sticking to a satelite town, but that means before even other action come into account you are reducing the chance of a successful action due to not occupying the superior position.

In the early Yuan Shau will want to take the superior ground which would maximise their abilities especially if they are killers, in the end game they might retreat back to a satellite town but the allies would then have to move into the central town so as to be able to use their own abilities successfully against Yuan Shau.

The only reason why it to the advantage of staying where you are, is if you were to move it would count as a NA.you can get a extra NA compared to anyone who moves, but they will make up the loss of the NA by increasing their chance of a successful NA.

I believe Galain(?) or someone else has already pulled out these posts. I've seen them come up multiple times earlier, so I'm really just repeating other people's sentiments here. Anyway, it's either speculation that just really struck a nerve when I read it, or he's a YS (possibly operation's master? - rationale for this being that, if there's a role that needs people to be in a certain place, it's him).

These posts also seem to suggest he thinks, at this point in the game, that only YS have killers. I can't hold that against him, though, because I know both myself and a few others were going back and forth between only YS having killers and all three factions having killers (then again, it could be that only HZ of the HZ-ZX has a killer, but at this point I'm inclined to believe that all 3 factions do).

Tiamatha also came in right after the train shifted from Mockra to Liosan. Two votes had been removed by 3:51, and he comes in at 3:54. He could have just come online right after the train stalled, or he could have been watching and not wanting to contribute, as he didn't want to lynch someone in his own faction.

[Emurlahn]

Merrid, on 02 December 2010 - 02:15 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 02 December 2010 - 02:02 PM, said:

if serc knew who his team mates were the i agree, but if he didnt know mockra was on his side at the time he posted...

True, but then how would Serc know to defend Rashan (by attacking Ruse) and not vote for Mockra if he didn't know who they were? For all he knew they were not on his team, and the comment about Mockra's play and refusal to vote is the first things he says about Mockra in the same post. His Liosan vote seemed like Ruse's and Emurlahn's when I read it - 'Liosan looks like the only target and we need a lynch'. Eh, I might be being close-minded, but I'm not seeing it as likely. Possible, surely. but not likely.

so serc voted for the liosan for the reason that he rejected with mockra, im pretty sure he was there in time to hammer aswell and with sercs CF it looks like mockra is on yuans team, makes sense but im not 100% sure of the connection...

been searching through looking for ruse, almost tempted to vote for him for making me slog through all those pages to find no real posts....his comment on rashan isnt suspicious, rashans "look at me im a usefull pup" comment was suspicious

but that was just agreeing with korabas, and he hasnt ventured an opinion since

it may just be me, but as i was looking through, sometimes rashan says things that you'd expect a regular mafia player to say, i get a 'vibe' that he knows what he is up to, gives the impression that he knows what hes doing, and then for the majority of the game puts a giant noob sticker on his head trying to catch as much attention as possible...

he's been called up on it, and maybe if he was a noob he wouldnt be able to change his play much the sec someone says anything, but it just seems like hes trying to make a big splash....

[Rashan]

Omtose, on 02 December 2010 - 02:42 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 December 2010 - 07:26 PM, said:

Right just considering the map, it obvious not every single player could move cause they move to the central town which is adjacent to the three remaining towns and wipe out the point of the map.

So there has to be some players that are stationary, but the best thing to happen is for every player who can move to move to the central town, thus ensuring a higgher success rate of NA.

Cause the Yuan Shau killers are going to do that to give them the ability be able to kill anyone with their NA. What the point of sitting in a satelite town if it reduces the chance of a successful night action before other night action are considered if you have the ability to move.

If you have the ability to move then it best to move to the central town and then increase the chance of a successful NA.

Tiamatha, on 01 December 2010 - 10:54 PM, said:

The roles I think that may not be able to move, are the support roles. So leaders and healers and possibly guards.

Some suggestion that if you can move, you should try to minimise the risk by sticking to a satelite town, but that means before even other action come into account you are reducing the chance of a successful action due to not occupying the superior position.

In the early Yuan Shau will want to take the superior ground which would maximise their abilities especially if they are killers, in the end game they might retreat back to a satellite town but the allies would then have to move into the central town so as to be able to use their own abilities successfully against Yuan Shau.

The only reason why it to the advantage of staying where you are, is if you were to move it would count as a NA.you can get a extra NA compared to anyone who moves, but they will make up the loss of the NA by increasing their chance of a successful NA.

I believe Galain(?) or someone else has already pulled out these posts. I've seen them come up multiple times earlier, so I'm really just repeating other people's sentiments here. Anyway, it's either speculation that just really struck a nerve when I read it, or he's a YS (possibly operation's master? - rationale for this being that, if there's a role that needs people to be in a certain place, it's him).

These posts also seem to suggest he thinks, at this point in the game, that only YS have killers. I can't hold that against him, though, because I know both myself and a few others were going back and forth between only YS having killers and all three factions having killers (then again, it could be that only HZ of the HZ-ZX has a killer, but at this point I'm inclined to believe that all 3 factions do).

Tiamatha also came in right after the train shifted from Mockra to Liosan. Two votes had been removed by 3:51, and he comes in at 3:54. He could have just come online right after the train stalled, or he could have been watching and not wanting to contribute, as he didn't want to lynch someone in his own faction.

it looks as if he is trying to manipulate the way people think and move. only these posts he has done, and they are fishy. he hasn't said anything since

[Omtose]

With Rashan constantly harping on Ruse, does anyone get the feeling that Rashan has a finder role, investigated Ruse last night (due to Ruse's attack against him earlier), found out he was an oppossing faction, and is now continuing his assault?

Meh, it seems less and less likely even as I type it, sicne Rashan was talking about Ruse a lot before the lynch yesterday. So, nevermind that I guess, but I'll leave the thought up for people to play with.

I do agree that it would be nice to see a little more from Ruse and Kessobahn.

[Rashan]

Emurlahn, on 02 December 2010 - 02:43 PM, said:

Merrid, on 02 December 2010 - 02:15 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 02 December 2010 - 02:02 PM, said:

if serc knew who his team mates were the i agree, but if he didnt know mockra was on his side at the time he posted...

True, but then how would Serc know to defend Rashan (by attacking Ruse) and not vote for Mockra if he didn't know who they were? For all he knew they were not on his team, and the comment about Mockra's play and refusal to vote is the first things he says about Mockra in the same post. His Liosan vote seemed like Ruse's and Emurlahn's when I read it - 'Liosan looks like the only target and we need a lynch'. Eh, I might be being close-minded, but I'm not seeing it as likely. Possible, surely. but not likely.

so serc voted for the liosan for the reason that he rejected with mockra, im pretty sure he was there in time to hammer aswell and with sercs CF it looks like mockra is on yuans team, makes sense but im not 100% sure of the connection...

been searching through looking for ruse, almost tempted to vote for him for making me slog through all those pages to find no real posts....his comment on rashan isnt suspicious, rashans "look at me im a usefull pup" comment was suspicious

but that was just agreeing with korabas, and he hasnt ventured an opinion since

it may just be me, but as i was looking through, sometimes rashan says things that you'd expect a regular mafia player to say, i get a 'vibe' that he knows what he is up to, gives the impression that he knows what hes doing, and then for the majority of the game puts a giant noob sticker on his head trying to catch as much attention as possible...

he's been called up on it, and maybe if he was a noob he wouldnt be able to change his play much the sec someone says anything, but it just seems like hes trying to make a big splash....

i have watched a few mafia games, been right there enjoying the exchanges, loving every second of it. i woke up this morning and thought about it, i went on at 7am before i left for work just to have a peek, i'm just excited about it, and i am throwing in my 10 cents