[Merrid]

Or maybe he's telling you to stop declaring your allegiance so much so you don't get bombarded with NAs, die early and not be all that useful to your team?

[Emurlahn]

i cant decide if rashans on yuans side, his rant about yuan being the enemy is just a little OOT to be believed, but if i was bluffing about a team i would make more subtle hints not repeatidly shout out my team, so maybe he is telling the truth, and just being incredibly stupid

also i think theres a language barier here too, maybe things get lost in translation?

admitidly if everyone truthuly declared them selves the game would be alot easier, it would also be dull and pointless

[Merrid]

I'm getting a noobie vibe from Rashan, so I'm more inclined to believe he's being more stupid than devious.

[Emurlahn]

i was on in a team of one on my first mafia game so thats one mistake i never made...ive since made all other mistakes though

[Rashan]

Korabas, on 01 December 2010 - 11:14 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 December 2010 - 10:54 PM, said:

The roles I think that may not be able to move, are the support roles. So leaders and healers and possibly guards.

Some suggestion that if you can move, you should try to minimise the risk by sticking to a satelite town, but that means before even other action come into account you are reducing the chance of a successful action due to not occupying the superior position.

In the early Yuan Shau will want to take the superior ground which would maximise their abilities especially if they are killers, in the end game they might retreat back to a satellite town but the allies would then have to move into the central town so as to be able to use their own abilities successfully against Yuan Shau.

The only reason why it to the advantage of staying where you are, is if you were to move it would count as a NA.you can get a extra NA compared to anyone who moves, but they will make up the loss of the NA by increasing their chance of a successful NA.

Damn man, you're scary.


Shit is spraying from the fan in a gazillion directions and you ignore it all, put up an umbrella and talk about stuff left alone by everyone else for the past twelve hours, and for a good reason?

Also, what the fuck about 'superior ground', 'retreat'? Aside from them being rather meaningless terms, all in all, that requires a lot of communication.... and you seem very far in your theories on what Yuan Shao can do. I repeat: WTF? Either you are smoking dope, or you know more than any of us (or at the least, anyone else has revealed on thread), or you have a mind that is best turned toward solving a rubix cube in 19 actions. Either you are stupidly revealing yourself as someone who knows what an Operations dude can do, or you are building a smoke screen the size of the Hoover Dam. in both cases, you are quite dangerous.

Moving counts as the equivalent of a Day action per the OP, by the way.

looking through all of Korabas posts, this one made me laugh, i enjoyed it. I can say there is nothing there that warrants attention, he is not controversial, his points are all logical and the only thing that points towards him a little is being at the beginning of two trains, however, reading through the whole thread for the second time Ruse stands out a lot. I mean everyone is talking to each other gathering information yet read through. its taken me ages to read through this 3 times but he doesn't look friendly.

i am going to look at the two trains again because i don't think it is Korabas that is adding momentum, he may start but people are following, this is what i am interested in, why they are following, there was no perfect case other than low posterism (like my new word?) maybe not..

[Korabas]

Rashan, on 02 December 2010 - 11:44 AM, said:

Korabas, on 02 December 2010 - 11:02 AM, said:

Rashan, on 02 December 2010 - 10:49 AM, said:

okay not baddie. "enemy" is that a better word? YS are the enemy primarily are they not? and could enemy be classed as baddie? we are routing out the other team aren't we?

YS is only the enemy if you are one of the other two factions.
ZX and ZH are the enemy if you are with YS.

Now, here is some free advice, as you are either completely new, relatively or not new at all but pretending:

It is generally a VERY BAD idea to hint you are not with XYZ in a faction game, especially in the early stages, let alone state that explicitly like you have been doing consistently - you want to keep all options open.
Regardless of what side you are on and whether or not they have a majority in either numbers or night actions, you WILL make a target out of yourself for the other faction(s), who have nothing to lose and a lot to gain in removing you.

Honestly, the way you are trying to seem on the (EDIT:) in your words non-scum/enemy/good/ZX-ZH side is quite cramped and leads me to suspect you are anything but. Moreso because IF your own team knows you are really on their side, there will be no collateral damage through night actions as a result.

only a YS player would say this, there are two armies against one here.

And none of us know the exact sizes of each faction. As I said before, I highly doubt YS is outnumbered roughly 2 to 1 by the other two.

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I would be targeted by a YS player at the moment because i am building cases and giving my allegiance.

Ehm, no. Your entire outlook is faulty.
This is a faction game where everyone is roled to an extent and everyone has to take out the other side. YS is just as hard trying to find out who are the power players on the HZ/XZ side as they are trying to find out who are YS and what they can do. It isn't like YS profit more from smoke screens than the other two factions, D'rek made very clear that few know their leaders - what all sides are striving for, is to NOT get recognized as who they are by the enemy side, while having a clear view on who is aligned with each faction.

If you are on the side of the 2Zs, then imho you are doing them a disservice by proclaiming your alignment.

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]if you were not with YS you would sound me out so that everyone can take a look at me.

If YS were taking you as seriously as a danger to them as you take yourself, they'd have offed you, if they have kills.
May I remind you of the fact that so far the only kill we have seen, was performed on a YS player by what seems to be a HZ player?

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you build 2 trains and got someone lynched

I did not build trains. There were no convincing arguments, I merely cast a vote and people voted along. They could just as easily have followed Galain in his early vote on Liosan, the arguments were roughly the same. Lowposters seldom get cases that make a distinction between them as to why lynching the one is better than lynching the other, hence the easy switch by Galain, myself and the third guy (Omtose?) who was on both trains from Mockra to Liosan.

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i haven't looked at you too much because you have been contributing quite well, but I will turn my gaze towards you and see what you have been contributing.

Wow. You know, everyone probably appreciates your energetic approach and enthousiasm, but how much of a difference did you really make so far? Your reason for wanting to lynch Ruse is mostly because he made a slightly disparaging remark of your 'I'm so helpful!' post. The only one who agreed was Serc. Who turned out to be YS, the faction you are crusading against.

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at the same time, it isn't 3 factions all against each other, there are 2 against YS.

Open door much? I don't need that explanation, I put it up myself with startling regularity on day 1.

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Yes there are secondary conditions but this only matters towards the end of the game. the primary goal is for people to kill YS or YS to kill everyone else.

See above.

[Rashan]

Kessobahn, on 02 December 2010 - 03:37 AM, said:

OK ... that was a very, very quick speed-lynch of Liosan. Understandable, given the lateness in the Day - hell, it could have just as easily been me. If it had been earlier, it would have been suspicious, and probably directed, but it's very hard to tell with time winding down.

I'm really trying to avoid reading too much into the scenes. Or maybe I'm just being lazy because of all the Chinese names.

I'm not going to speculate on numbers distribution at this point. It could be a YS majority of low-powered Roles ... it could be a YS minority of high-powered Roles and recruitment capability. There's absolutely no way to know (well, for anyone who's not actually in that faction).

this post comes in just after the lynch on liosan. it was like he was watching it but didn't want to add to it. just caught this whilst watching through, it was his first post for ages!!

[Korabas]

Merrid, on 02 December 2010 - 12:13 PM, said:

I'm getting a noobie vibe from Rashan, so I'm more inclined to believe he's being more stupid than devious.

I agree 100%.

But at some point, stupidity can be just as harmful as deviousness - both to ones own faction as to the opposition.... I mean, there have been games where by sheer luck I made an awesome and completely unintended play, and ones where my supposedly devious schemes and equally supposed insight in the state of the game just saw me lynched and my team eradicated.....

[Merrid]

That is very true Korabas, but am I reading you correctly in saying that it's best to get rid of him regardless of who you are based on his potential to fuck things up? Not sure I agree with that.

[Korabas]

Merrid, on 02 December 2010 - 12:55 PM, said:

That is very true Korabas, but am I reading you correctly in saying that it's best to get rid of him regardless of who you are based on his potential to fuck things up? Not sure I agree with that.

You're misunderstanding me on that front. I'm not advocating lynching him just because he's inexperienced and may do damage to his own side.
However, and that might all just be my own private paranoia, as I said on the previous page, I do think there is the possibility of a connection between him, Mockra and Serc:

Serc more or less politely refused to lynch Mockra but showed no such qualms with Liosan;
Serc came to Rashan's rescue when Ruse attacked Rashan;
Rashan was hesitant to vote Mockra and removed quickly, saying Mockra provided content as opposed to posts while Mockra was still ranting.

Given that we know Serc's alignment, a lynch on a suspected allegiance might just give an indication of who is siding with whom, and I am not at all opposed to get a read on how the field is split.

This post has been edited by Korabas: 02 December 2010 - 01:11 PM

[Rashan]

i haven't defended anyone, i have pointed fingers, agreed with some things said and disagreed with others, but i don't see how i can limit my teams chances of winning. all focus is on me right now, other players are watching but not posting, and they are happy and content to do this whilst you focus on me. Korabas, you seem to know this game well, you're good at building cases and put some good things together, so rather than look at me for a second, where else would you look? i am a big flashing light can you see anything in the darkness?

I keep harping on about Ruse, yet he won't say anything, i have mentioned Tiamatha but again no response, maybe they'll say something later.

[Rashan]

Korabas, on 02 December 2010 - 01:10 PM, said:

Merrid, on 02 December 2010 - 12:55 PM, said:

That is very true Korabas, but am I reading you correctly in saying that it's best to get rid of him regardless of who you are based on his potential to fuck things up? Not sure I agree with that.

You're misunderstanding me on that front. I'm not advocating lynching him just because he's inexperienced and may do damage to his own side.
However, and that might all just be my own private paranoia, as I said on the previous page, I do think there is the possibility of a connection between him, Mockra and Serc:

Serc more or less politely refused to lynch Mockra but showed no such qualms with Liosan;
Serc came to Rashan's rescue when Ruse attacked Rashan;
Rashan was hesitant to vote Mockra and removed quickly, saying Mockra provided content as opposed to posts while Mockra was still ranting.

Given that we know Serc's alignment, a lynch on a suspected allegiance might just give an indication of who is siding with whom, and I am not at all opposed to get a read on how the field is split.

i thought this may come up, well i have no qualms with going for a lynch on mockra today, i like the ruse vote, i like a tiamatha vote but i would vote for mockra.

the reason i backed out yesterday was because it looked like he really wanted to play, looked like he was enjoying the game and was very angry about getting lynched off. where is he today though? yesterday it was a drive to the coast, then some sleep. if he really wanted to play he would be on here looking at what has been said and giving his 2 cents.

i think we could lynch him today, its just my preference is ruse. if you want to vote mockra off then i'd join in, would you vote ruse though?

[Emurlahn]

Rashan, on 02 December 2010 - 01:16 PM, said:

the reason i backed out yesterday was because it looked like he really wanted to play, looked like he was enjoying the game and was very angry about getting lynched off. where is he today though? yesterday it was a drive to the coast, then some sleep. if he really wanted to play he would be on here looking at what has been said and giving his 2 cents.

i think we could lynch him today, its just my preference is ruse. if you want to vote mockra off then i'd join in, would you vote ruse though?

he looked like he really wanted to play? he went all emo and self voted, whilst saying fuck you to everyone else. Hardly constructive.
but at least he is posting, (assuming hes asleep or at work etc presently)

theres alot of lurkers playing in this game, i understand korabas argument linking you to serc and mockra, and saying you would vote for mockra isnt the same as actually voting for him,

personaly i dont think theres a good reason to vote mockra at this time, he started to post, and unlike some other players, like tiam, or Kessobahn,

i cant even remember tulas shorn or silchas ruin posting anything to enlightning either

I think rashan is new, and is making a few mistakes because of it. that doesnt mean we shouldnt vote him, just beause he is new doesnt mean he is on our side, but for now im going to give him the benifit of the doubt

[Korabas]

Plenty of time left in the day, so far, there's only three of us talking and going in circles mostly. I'd like to hear from more people.


Kesso and Ruse are at the bottom of posts. However, there is not really anything truly suspicious about either of them. I don't get your hard-on for Ruse, but that might be because he parrotted me. Tis always hard to see fault in something you agree with especially when you said it first .
Emur is middle of the posting board but I can't remember anything other than him making an easy, coasting impression.
Galain is playing intelligently. Same for Merrid.

There is also a bunch of people who 'misunderstood' the set-up of the game and thought this was town versus scum despite the OP and Sign Up (and mod-thread, iirc) being quite clear it isn't so, and subsequently and consequently claiming to be with the 2-Zs. I find that a tad bit odd and would love a clarification.

[Merrid]

Rashan, on 02 December 2010 - 01:16 PM, said:

Korabas, on 02 December 2010 - 01:10 PM, said:

Merrid, on 02 December 2010 - 12:55 PM, said:

That is very true Korabas, but am I reading you correctly in saying that it's best to get rid of him regardless of who you are based on his potential to fuck things up? Not sure I agree with that.

You're misunderstanding me on that front. I'm not advocating lynching him just because he's inexperienced and may do damage to his own side.
However, and that might all just be my own private paranoia, as I said on the previous page, I do think there is the possibility of a connection between him, Mockra and Serc:

Serc more or less politely refused to lynch Mockra but showed no such qualms with Liosan;
Serc came to Rashan's rescue when Ruse attacked Rashan;
Rashan was hesitant to vote Mockra and removed quickly, saying Mockra provided content as opposed to posts while Mockra was still ranting.

Given that we know Serc's alignment, a lynch on a suspected allegiance might just give an indication of who is siding with whom, and I am not at all opposed to get a read on how the field is split.

i thought this may come up, well i have no qualms with going for a lynch on mockra today, i like the ruse vote, i like a tiamatha vote but i would vote for mockra.

the reason i backed out yesterday was because it looked like he really wanted to play, looked like he was enjoying the game and was very angry about getting lynched off. where is he today though? yesterday it was a drive to the coast, then some sleep. if he really wanted to play he would be on here looking at what has been said and giving his 2 cents.

i think we could lynch him today, its just my preference is ruse. if you want to vote mockra off then i'd join in, would you vote ruse though?

Wait, what? Mockra's last post was only 6 or so hours ago, yet now you're all 'where is he now, huh?' Very weak rationale for a vote there, mate.

I'm interested to know what about Ruse you think is so terrible? Really the only thing the guy has done is attack you for that one post, yet that has you convinced he's the 'enemy'?

[Emurlahn]

rashan has already posted a case on ruse, or at least picked out all of his posts, and ruse has yet to make any comment

[Rashan]

withou him attacking me, his other post was checking in, and his other was to lynch. nothing else. he joined in to lynch, no thoughts on it and then disappeared!!!

[Merrid]

Korabas, on 02 December 2010 - 01:10 PM, said:

Merrid, on 02 December 2010 - 12:55 PM, said:

That is very true Korabas, but am I reading you correctly in saying that it's best to get rid of him regardless of who you are based on his potential to fuck things up? Not sure I agree with that.

You're misunderstanding me on that front. I'm not advocating lynching him just because he's inexperienced and may do damage to his own side.
However, and that might all just be my own private paranoia, as I said on the previous page, I do think there is the possibility of a connection between him, Mockra and Serc:

Serc more or less politely refused to lynch Mockra but showed no such qualms with Liosan;
Serc came to Rashan's rescue when Ruse attacked Rashan;
Rashan was hesitant to vote Mockra and removed quickly, saying Mockra provided content as opposed to posts while Mockra was still ranting.

Given that we know Serc's alignment, a lynch on a suspected allegiance might just give an indication of who is siding with whom, and I am not at all opposed to get a read on how the field is split.

Ah, so you were going the allegiances route, ok. I just don't buy the whole triangle though. I can see Mockra-Rashan, sure, and maybe even Rashan-Serc if you take Rashan's whole 'YS are the enemy!'spiel as a feint, but I just don't see why Serc would say Mockra's defence screamed 'I HAVE A POWER ROLE' when he knows they're on the same team, and that post is really the only reason I can find for someone wanting to take out Serc at this point. Also there's the whole 'GO TEAM!' bit from Mockra after Serc died, so...yeah.

[Rashan]

omtose wrote a lot of posts, but none of them stick out, he was top poster but i think in a different time zone, i won't get to do a proper read through him until later but nothing stands out at all for over 25 posts

[Emurlahn]

i thought the go team thing was a pretty suspicious comment from mockra

as for serc saying mockra had a power role....so what? dont we all?