[Gust Hubb]

I am not sure if these are GotMisms, but here we go:

1) I notice a major emphasis in and during the Battle of Pale concerning the smells, textures, etc. of magic. Tattersail even gets a migraine around the power bleeding off of Tayschrenn. One thing that strikes me here though, esp. after RotCG, is how the effects of standing/idle magic on people is more subdued and subtle in later books unless there is something more actively being done with the magic.

2) The other hyperbole in GotM that caught my attention was the power of unleashed sorcery to "fray the fabric between the worlds. Whatever dwelt beyond, in the Warrens [plural?] of Chaos, felt close enough to reach out and touch." Yet, we see several other battles, particularly in RG with Hold magic, where the magic burns possibly even brighter, yet no concern is raised about Chaos breaking through. In fact, in RotCG, it takes someone bursting from Chaos itself to inject Chaos across the barrier.

Again, sorry if these aren't GotMisms and are easily explained away. Thought I would give it a shot though .

[tiam]

I see your point on both. GOTMisms are like Orfantal and that kind of thing though Eriksons found a way around most of them.

1.I think (havent read GOTM in a while) but we get a few POV from a few characters on the aftermath of Pale. Someone (QB or Sail) says that a god feels close though despite all the death its not Hood someone different. They then muse on it for a while and its somewhat metaphorical. In MOI it then comes up that QB speculates it was TCG outsdie Pale, though whether this was intended or just wrote in after Im not sure. Anyway it could be this choas aspect of TCG that was throwing Sail off as its inferred that shes an incredible adept. Though the idea that some warrens are anathema to each other seems like a GOTmism.

2.Hold magic is simply unleashing gates of various descriptions and aspects and using them as weapons. Its very basic but large swathes of power scything across the battlefield . Alot of the dynamics of warrens in GOTM must be considered metephorical.

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[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

My least favorite GotMism is Tattersail being described as "Master of her Warren" by Whiskeyjack. What does that even mean?

[worry]

That capitalization is kinda weird, true. Maybe it just means she's awesome at her warren, or the best in the empire/known world with it. If I were to call you Master of Posting, it doesn't necessary mean it's your official title, it could mean you're just really really good at it. You should make that part of your subtitle beside "Emperor".

[Daemonwolf]

worrywort, on 19 July 2011 - 01:01 AM, said:

That capitalization is kinda weird, true. Maybe it just means she's awesome at her warren, or the best in the empire/known world with it. If I were to call you Master of Posting, it doesn't necessary mean it's your official title, it could mean you're just really really good at it. You should make that part of your subtitle beside "Emperor".

Maybe the capitalization is a comparative respect, on lines with our reality in which someone can be a Doctor of Anthropology for instance, when they have a PhD. Thats just speculation on my part though. It could just as easily have been a typo that was missed during publication, as in my copies of the book at least, I still find them from time to time.

just my two cents...

[tiam]

Maybe its just an idea SE toyed with as another version of high mage. The circumstance is that WJ is saying that Sail has been offered the title of High Mage as shes a master of her warren. Id say Akronys is a master of telas as is Tays whereas Nightchill and Kellenveds are masters of Rashan. Sail says to QB 'there are too few masters in the world for me to not know you' or something to QB outside Pale. So maybe just a general description though the capitalisation makes it sound official.

[Salt-Man Z]

Ceda Cicero, on 15 November 2010 - 02:23 PM, said:

3.) Rake is referred to once as the Mane of Chaos. Does this ever happen again?

Just for posterity's sake: the "Mane of Chaos" is addressed in TCG.

[Ceda Cicero]

Salt-Man Z, on 19 July 2011 - 08:06 PM, said:

Ceda Cicero, on 15 November 2010 - 02:23 PM, said:

3.) Rake is referred to once as the Mane of Chaos. Does this ever happen again?

Just for posterity's sake: the "Mane of Chaos" is addressed in TCG.

Yeaaaah but in GotM it's ascribed to Rake like a title, and in tCG it's Aparal Forge ascribing it to the Eleint blood coursing through him. I don't wanna nitpick (mostly because I wrote that before tCG came out) but that doesn't feel like "addressing."

Honestly (and this is NOT a gripe, I could care less, it's just my opinion) I personally feel a little like some of the GotM nods in tCG were SE's way of trying to legitimize stuff that was in fact just kind of a GotMism.

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The Spar of Andii especially. I really don't think that when QB mentions it in passing in GotM, Steve had in mind all along that we would see QB there again at the end. I think it cropped up in GotM for the helluvit, saw a lot of discussion on here by fans, that reached SE's ears, and he figured he better work it back in down the line somewhere.

Like I said, that's just my feeling, and it's not a gripe or criticism. I could be wrong and honestly, at the end of the day, how the hell would we know, and does it even matter?

This post has been edited by Ceda Cicero: 19 July 2011 - 08:12 PM

[Salt-Man Z]

Ceda Cicero, on 19 July 2011 - 08:11 PM, said:

Honestly I personally feel a little like some of the GotM nods in tCG were SE's way of trying to legitimize stuff that was in fact just kind of a GotMism.

That's quite possible. It could be that some of this stuff ("Mane of Chaos", "Spar of Andii") was significant (in SE's eyes) when he wrote GotM, but just got forgotten about when he came back to write the series, and its inclusion in TCG is just his way of saying "Hey guys, this is important stuff, trust me." Or he could just be legitimizing it, I dunno.

Either way, I personally think the "true" GotMisms are those things that are outright contradicted in later books or are notable in their omission. I don't consider QB's trip to the Spar "notable" in that sense because, well, so he doesn't go there again; that doesn't contradict its inclusion in GotM. But the lack of bone-phones in MoI is notable because, man, if they'd had 'em they woulda used 'em.

tl;dr: You could be right.

[POOPOO MCBUMFACE]

The main "GotMism" I picked up on on re-reading was the warren thing - the deadening effect of Tellann, the "pressure" and general negative effects of warrens being used around other people, the Warrens of Chaos that play a heavy part in GotM, get mentioned once or twice in DG/MoI then just kind of disappear. The other thing was the mentioned knowledge creep - regarding Rake in particular, but in general to a lesser extent. It's not down to GotM in particular, it occurs over the course of the series, but nobody seems to know of more than one or two elder warrens/Tiste races in the first couple of books. Obviously it's hard to gauge the average level of knowledge in the later books, given their focus, but can you imagine any powerful mage back home in the Empire not knowing what a Tiste Edur is? Stuff like the K'Chain bone phone doesn't bother me, for some reason, I can just instantly discard it, whereas with stuff like this I have to work out whether it's a GotMism or just something Erikson's drawing less focus to.