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I wouldn't call myself a hardcore gamer. But I wouldn't say I'm a "casual" either. I don't spend nearly enough time on games as I'd like, but the time I do, I like to be pretty serious about using that time to it's fullest. I like doing a game to it's maximum if it's good: secrets, sidequests, etc. If the game is really good I'll even do something unusual, like soloing BG2, or doing one of the playerbase-invented special rules runs for Thief series.
Coming from WoW, I really don't like to waste time. In a raid, if the 24 other people spend 5 minutes waiting for you, it's two hours of someone's time wasted. Considering that most people I play with have full time jobs and families and whatnot, gametime saved for raids is really precious, and I hate seeing it go to waste.
I like games challanging in a non-ridiculous way, when it doesn't just feel like the enemies are cheating.
I hate the shield system in modern shooters. But I love interface and interaction changes that have been brought by technology. I don't think I could play Warcraft 1 or Dune 2 nowdays, or Ishar, just because of the interface. I like being able to be in control of my hero/units/empire seamlessly and intuitively.
I don't know if I'd be able to play Wolfenstein 3d, Doom or DN3D now. I grew really fond of the freelook offered by modern games. I like being able to spot enemies easily with the resolution of modern games. I like the amount of depth offered by graphics that don't look like a 32 pixel bitmap.
I love a challenging AI in my games. I loved how Unreal introduced enemies that try to stay alive as much as they try to kill you (Skaarj hunters could be a real pain). I loved how Half-Life introduced the soldiers that threw grenades if you tried to hole up somewhere, and supported each other. I love it how the AI in Galactic Civilizations II feels very, very human, and very smart on higher difficulty settings.
I like how modern games are going towards using the enviroment as a weapon as well as the stuff you can carry as actual guns, though there is quite a bit left to do in that field.
Generally, in the ongoing war between the casual and the hardcore, I like to lean towards the hardcore. But I understand that the industry has become big enough that it has to cater for the casual playerbase to sustain itself. I'll still bitch about casuals though.
"Hardcore" gaming vs "Casual" gaming What defines your gaming interest and skill?
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 12:45 PM
heh
i'm most certainly a casual gamer, based purely on the amount of time I have available to put into games.
nonetheless, when I do play, I want my games to be cerebral. I'm not in it for the reflex-testing, pretty-graphics shoot'em up-'splody.
As such, I constantly whine that the concept behind gaming nowadays is too primitive, mutter "damn casuals" and generally express my dislike at stuff like universal ammo (FU, Invisible War!!!!!), Regenerating health, lack of inventory in games that claim to be FPS/RPG hybrids, etc.
oh, and to top it off, I'm PC all the way, no way in hell am I ever spending money on a console. a system that can ONLY play games? waste of moneys. Meaning, I will continue to smirk at all those consolers, with their dumbed down HUD to accommodate less input buttons, and moan about games being made for "those damn casuals". Thankfully, for people like me there's The WItcher, and (soooo soon), Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3.
i'm most certainly a casual gamer, based purely on the amount of time I have available to put into games.
nonetheless, when I do play, I want my games to be cerebral. I'm not in it for the reflex-testing, pretty-graphics shoot'em up-'splody.
As such, I constantly whine that the concept behind gaming nowadays is too primitive, mutter "damn casuals" and generally express my dislike at stuff like universal ammo (FU, Invisible War!!!!!), Regenerating health, lack of inventory in games that claim to be FPS/RPG hybrids, etc.
oh, and to top it off, I'm PC all the way, no way in hell am I ever spending money on a console. a system that can ONLY play games? waste of moneys. Meaning, I will continue to smirk at all those consolers, with their dumbed down HUD to accommodate less input buttons, and moan about games being made for "those damn casuals". Thankfully, for people like me there's The WItcher, and (soooo soon), Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3.
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And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 01:03 PM
Well, up until recently, you could boot up Linux on PS3...
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 09:45 PM
Gothos, on 21 June 2010 - 11:26 AM, said:
I wouldn't call myself a hardcore gamer. But I wouldn't say I'm a "casual" either. I don't spend nearly enough time on games as I'd like, but the time I do, I like to be pretty serious about using that time to it's fullest. I like doing a game to it's maximum if it's good: secrets, sidequests, etc. If the game is really good I'll even do something unusual, like soloing BG2, or doing one of the playerbase-invented special rules runs for Thief series.
Coming from WoW, I really don't like to waste time. In a raid, if the 24 other people spend 5 minutes waiting for you, it's two hours of someone's time wasted. Considering that most people I play with have full time jobs and families and whatnot, gametime saved for raids is really precious, and I hate seeing it go to waste.
I like games challanging in a non-ridiculous way, when it doesn't just feel like the enemies are cheating.
I hate the shield system in modern shooters. But I love interface and interaction changes that have been brought by technology. I don't think I could play Warcraft 1 or Dune 2 nowdays, or Ishar, just because of the interface. I like being able to be in control of my hero/units/empire seamlessly and intuitively.
I don't know if I'd be able to play Wolfenstein 3d, Doom or DN3D now. I grew really fond of the freelook offered by modern games. I like being able to spot enemies easily with the resolution of modern games. I like the amount of depth offered by graphics that don't look like a 32 pixel bitmap.
I love a challenging AI in my games. I loved how Unreal introduced enemies that try to stay alive as much as they try to kill you (Skaarj hunters could be a real pain). I loved how Half-Life introduced the soldiers that threw grenades if you tried to hole up somewhere, and supported each other. I love it how the AI in Galactic Civilizations II feels very, very human, and very smart on higher difficulty settings.
I like how modern games are going towards using the enviroment as a weapon as well as the stuff you can carry as actual guns, though there is quite a bit left to do in that field.
Generally, in the ongoing war between the casual and the hardcore, I like to lean towards the hardcore. But I understand that the industry has become big enough that it has to cater for the casual playerbase to sustain itself. I'll still bitch about casuals though.
Coming from WoW, I really don't like to waste time. In a raid, if the 24 other people spend 5 minutes waiting for you, it's two hours of someone's time wasted. Considering that most people I play with have full time jobs and families and whatnot, gametime saved for raids is really precious, and I hate seeing it go to waste.
I like games challanging in a non-ridiculous way, when it doesn't just feel like the enemies are cheating.
I hate the shield system in modern shooters. But I love interface and interaction changes that have been brought by technology. I don't think I could play Warcraft 1 or Dune 2 nowdays, or Ishar, just because of the interface. I like being able to be in control of my hero/units/empire seamlessly and intuitively.
I don't know if I'd be able to play Wolfenstein 3d, Doom or DN3D now. I grew really fond of the freelook offered by modern games. I like being able to spot enemies easily with the resolution of modern games. I like the amount of depth offered by graphics that don't look like a 32 pixel bitmap.
I love a challenging AI in my games. I loved how Unreal introduced enemies that try to stay alive as much as they try to kill you (Skaarj hunters could be a real pain). I loved how Half-Life introduced the soldiers that threw grenades if you tried to hole up somewhere, and supported each other. I love it how the AI in Galactic Civilizations II feels very, very human, and very smart on higher difficulty settings.
I like how modern games are going towards using the enviroment as a weapon as well as the stuff you can carry as actual guns, though there is quite a bit left to do in that field.
Generally, in the ongoing war between the casual and the hardcore, I like to lean towards the hardcore. But I understand that the industry has become big enough that it has to cater for the casual playerbase to sustain itself. I'll still bitch about casuals though.
Quoted for truth. All of it.
But what do you mean by the shield system? You mean like Halo?
Mentalist, on 21 June 2010 - 12:45 PM, said:
heh
i'm most certainly a casual gamer, based purely on the amount of time I have available to put into games.
nonetheless, when I do play, I want my games to be cerebral. I'm not in it for the reflex-testing, pretty-graphics shoot'em up-'splody.
As such, I constantly whine that the concept behind gaming nowadays is too primitive, mutter "damn casuals" and generally express my dislike at stuff like universal ammo (FU, Invisible War!!!!!), Regenerating health, lack of inventory in games that claim to be FPS/RPG hybrids, etc.
oh, and to top it off, I'm PC all the way, no way in hell am I ever spending money on a console. a system that can ONLY play games? waste of moneys. Meaning, I will continue to smirk at all those consolers, with their dumbed down HUD to accommodate less input buttons, and moan about games being made for "those damn casuals". Thankfully, for people like me there's The WItcher, and (soooo soon), Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3.
i'm most certainly a casual gamer, based purely on the amount of time I have available to put into games.
nonetheless, when I do play, I want my games to be cerebral. I'm not in it for the reflex-testing, pretty-graphics shoot'em up-'splody.
As such, I constantly whine that the concept behind gaming nowadays is too primitive, mutter "damn casuals" and generally express my dislike at stuff like universal ammo (FU, Invisible War!!!!!), Regenerating health, lack of inventory in games that claim to be FPS/RPG hybrids, etc.
oh, and to top it off, I'm PC all the way, no way in hell am I ever spending money on a console. a system that can ONLY play games? waste of moneys. Meaning, I will continue to smirk at all those consolers, with their dumbed down HUD to accommodate less input buttons, and moan about games being made for "those damn casuals". Thankfully, for people like me there's The WItcher, and (soooo soon), Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3.
Don't you mean the Witcher 2? XD
I think there's a balance between cerebral aspects and reflex aspects. I can't stomach games like Myst or Riven, for example, there comes a point when things are just too slow, and too abstract. But games like Modern Warfare that are pure twitch-based run'n'gun are pushing their luck as well - the only danger is in a lucky move by the AI, as if they don't come at you at the right time you simply regenerate your health. That, and purpose-designed scenarios with no cover like the mission I'm on at the moment.
That being said, I'm probably going to be renting Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising soon, just to get a bit more tactical - a game where sticking your head out of cover at the wrong time fucks you over, one bullet will end your life, and getting shot in the leg means you can't run even after you've patched it up? Yeah, sounds like me. I'd prefer ArmA II but I honestly don't want to buy that game, it's far too complicated on the control scheme, and I only have one non-net connected computer that can play it. Or I can download it, which will sap my entire bandwidth for the month. XD
The point is, that in OF and ArmA you have to play smart, rather than bold. You just can't risk getting shot. Which makes sense (though Modern Warfare is still fun for me...it really is mindless fun along the lines of Pac-man or something...)
(And the benefit of consoles is that they don't get outdated as fast and cost less...which is why I have both a PC [well, two laptops and one desktop] and a console - one laptop for uni/gaming, one laptop for home/net, and the desktop for larger screen gaming of a serious RPG nature...and the console for gloriously large screen shooters XD)
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Sindriss, on 21 June 2010 - 11:19 AM, said:
And agree with Apt, that the migtiest weapon in XII was unattainable because you opened a freaking chest in the beginning of the game drove me insane with fury and anger. I mean, it is loot, of course you freaking open it, you do that with all chests, it is in your gatherer nature
Sindriss, on 21 June 2010 - 11:19 AM, said:
And agree with Apt
Sindriss, on 21 June 2010 - 11:19 AM, said:
And agree with Apt
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 09:57 PM
Oh, and is anyone else keen for the Mechwarrior reboot? 
And I was so into the idea of "Sniper: Ghost Warrior" until I saw the cover art. Is he holding a Barrett .50cal like a fucking M4? IS HE?
NERD RAGE
The fact that a 'sniper' is even using a .50 is rare, it's an anti-material rifle *occasionally* used for soft target interdiction at extreme ranges. But using it for boxart of a sniper game? Wtf?
And I was so into the idea of "Sniper: Ghost Warrior" until I saw the cover art. Is he holding a Barrett .50cal like a fucking M4? IS HE?
NERD RAGE
The fact that a 'sniper' is even using a .50 is rare, it's an anti-material rifle *occasionally* used for soft target interdiction at extreme ranges. But using it for boxart of a sniper game? Wtf?
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I am absolutely furious about the popularization (and thereby watering-down) of gaming. Gamers used to be a highly self-selected group. And so games had to be marketed on their merits.
Today, games can be (and frequently are) half-assed, just not as good, and still make millions.
Goldeneye --> Halo
Everquest --> WoW
Super Smash Bros --> Super Smash Bros Melee.
the list goes on.
Today, games can be (and frequently are) half-assed, just not as good, and still make millions.
Goldeneye --> Halo
Everquest --> WoW
Super Smash Bros --> Super Smash Bros Melee.
the list goes on.
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 04:02 AM
I often find myself laughing at those who call themselves hardcore gamers, just like people who only listen to the most obscure indie music they can find, or only watch foreign movies no one has heard of. Quit taking yourself so damn seriously.
What constitutes a hardcore gamer anyways? I would heartily disagree with the fps definition, in my mind people who only play fps are stuck in possibly the most mindless and pointless genres in gaming. Of all the possibilities available in gaming, you decide to spend hundreds of hours playing deathmatches online? And then get super excited about the next fps, in which you run around playing deathmatches online again, only this time with slightly better graphics. You guys have been playing slightly different versions of the same game since 1997. Not hardcore to me at all.
The whole label is ridiculous. The idea of playing games in a hardcore fashion is laughable. It's just an attempt to gain some nerd pride from being better at nerding than other nerds. (Note, I am not knocking nerds, I do plenty of nerdy shit myself, here I am discussing video games on a forum for my favorite fantasy author. I just gain no feeling of superiority from being more nerdy than someone else.)
What constitutes a hardcore gamer anyways? I would heartily disagree with the fps definition, in my mind people who only play fps are stuck in possibly the most mindless and pointless genres in gaming. Of all the possibilities available in gaming, you decide to spend hundreds of hours playing deathmatches online? And then get super excited about the next fps, in which you run around playing deathmatches online again, only this time with slightly better graphics. You guys have been playing slightly different versions of the same game since 1997. Not hardcore to me at all.
The whole label is ridiculous. The idea of playing games in a hardcore fashion is laughable. It's just an attempt to gain some nerd pride from being better at nerding than other nerds. (Note, I am not knocking nerds, I do plenty of nerdy shit myself, here I am discussing video games on a forum for my favorite fantasy author. I just gain no feeling of superiority from being more nerdy than someone else.)
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 06:19 AM
Silencer, on 21 June 2010 - 09:45 PM, said:
But what do you mean by the shield system? You mean like Halo?
Yes. And Call of Duty. And Crysis (curse you Steam for making me buy that sh... oooooh, shiny)
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Don't you mean the Witcher 2? XD
For once, Poland delivered. And now we'll slam again. Fuck yea.
While we're at RPGs... I'll have to bitch about Oblivion and Fallout 3. And Morrowind, to a lesser extent. Level scaling just plain sucks.
Good thing there's still games like Risen being made.
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 07:00 AM
Oh, you mean regenerating health. Roit. Yeah, it actually makes sense in Halo, given that they have real shields, but in less futuristic/pseudo-science-invoking games? A bullet is a bullet is a bullet.
And yes, Poland did themselves proud with the Witcher.
And I honestly never noticed the level scaling in Morrowind. I mean, it's there, but it hardly impacts your game like it does in Oblivion, and FO3 is slightly better than Oblivion too...but still noticeable, unlike in Morrowind. XD
@RLY - I think the reason behind the FPS thing is that it's a very easy way to tell if you're better than someone or not. So it's easy to put yourself in x percentage of the player base, whereas with RPGs...kinda harder to do, yes?
But in general I agree, lol.
And yes, Poland did themselves proud with the Witcher.
And I honestly never noticed the level scaling in Morrowind. I mean, it's there, but it hardly impacts your game like it does in Oblivion, and FO3 is slightly better than Oblivion too...but still noticeable, unlike in Morrowind. XD
@RLY - I think the reason behind the FPS thing is that it's a very easy way to tell if you're better than someone or not. So it's easy to put yourself in x percentage of the player base, whereas with RPGs...kinda harder to do, yes?
But in general I agree, lol.
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 07:09 AM
I love seeing people on a fantasy book forum - especially THIS forum, one devoted to an author who most would consider to be an advanced novelist (not someone you'd recommend to a newcomer to the genre) - complain about elitism.
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Raymond Luxury Yacht, on 22 June 2010 - 04:02 AM, said:
What constitutes a hardcore gamer anyways? I would heartily disagree with the fps definition, in my mind people who only play fps are stuck in possibly the most mindless and pointless genres in gaming. Of all the possibilities available in gaming, you decide to spend hundreds of hours playing deathmatches online? And then get super excited about the next fps, in which you run around playing deathmatches online again, only this time with slightly better graphics. You guys have been playing slightly different versions of the same game since 1997. Not hardcore to me at all.
The whole label is ridiculous. The idea of playing games in a hardcore fashion is laughable. It's just an attempt to gain some nerd pride from being better at nerding than other nerds. (Note, I am not knocking nerds, I do plenty of nerdy shit myself, here I am discussing video games on a forum for my favorite fantasy author. I just gain no feeling of superiority from being more nerdy than someone else.)
The whole label is ridiculous. The idea of playing games in a hardcore fashion is laughable. It's just an attempt to gain some nerd pride from being better at nerding than other nerds. (Note, I am not knocking nerds, I do plenty of nerdy shit myself, here I am discussing video games on a forum for my favorite fantasy author. I just gain no feeling of superiority from being more nerdy than someone else.)
You should meet some of the people I ran into in "classic" WoW pvp, especially in the so-called "Warlord(Horde)/Marshal(Alliance) Teams". In the ladder system, they really had to play all day to be on top and reach the top rank. Wuushu said that for the several months he spent grinding battlegrounds for his rank he had his mother and gf come by to make him food, do his laundry etc, because he just couldn't take the break, if he slipped and didn't get on top of honor gained, he'd lose a LOT of his previous progress. That's pretty hardcore.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 07:44 AM
Gothos, on 22 June 2010 - 07:23 AM, said:
Raymond Luxury Yacht, on 22 June 2010 - 04:02 AM, said:
What constitutes a hardcore gamer anyways? I would heartily disagree with the fps definition, in my mind people who only play fps are stuck in possibly the most mindless and pointless genres in gaming. Of all the possibilities available in gaming, you decide to spend hundreds of hours playing deathmatches online? And then get super excited about the next fps, in which you run around playing deathmatches online again, only this time with slightly better graphics. You guys have been playing slightly different versions of the same game since 1997. Not hardcore to me at all.
The whole label is ridiculous. The idea of playing games in a hardcore fashion is laughable. It's just an attempt to gain some nerd pride from being better at nerding than other nerds. (Note, I am not knocking nerds, I do plenty of nerdy shit myself, here I am discussing video games on a forum for my favorite fantasy author. I just gain no feeling of superiority from being more nerdy than someone else.)
The whole label is ridiculous. The idea of playing games in a hardcore fashion is laughable. It's just an attempt to gain some nerd pride from being better at nerding than other nerds. (Note, I am not knocking nerds, I do plenty of nerdy shit myself, here I am discussing video games on a forum for my favorite fantasy author. I just gain no feeling of superiority from being more nerdy than someone else.)
You should meet some of the people I ran into in "classic" WoW pvp, especially in the so-called "Warlord(Horde)/Marshal(Alliance) Teams". In the ladder system, they really had to play all day to be on top and reach the top rank. Wuushu said that for the several months he spent grinding battlegrounds for his rank he had his mother and gf come by to make him food, do his laundry etc, because he just couldn't take the break, if he slipped and didn't get on top of honor gained, he'd lose a LOT of his previous progress. That's pretty hardcore.
Some would call that hardcore. Others might say that this guy has only played one game in the past year, and so has no real idea of what's going on in the owrld of gaming outside of WoW.
@Illy: The thing is though, I don't consider myself any more elite or hardcore than others because I read SE and frequent this site. Except for TG fans. And RJ fans. And Twilight fans. And...dammit.
@Silencer: I think you just hit on the difference between a hardcore gamer and a casual. A hardcore gamer feels the need to feel better or superior than others, whether it's for their preferred genre, game, alliance in the pc/console debate, etc. A casual gamer is more interested in actually enjoying themself.
I know a guy who without a doubt considers himself hardcore. He compulsively buys games for his 360 that he has no interest in, has played before, or has an actua aversion to playing. Why? So he can get the achievements. He plays games he doesn't want to play just to boost his gamer score. He has very little fun playing video games, but puts on hours a day doing it. Hardcore.
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 07:47 AM
Where do people that want to feel their did their absolute best fit then?
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 08:18 AM
Nope, not hardcore, true hardcore would say that you must PWN SOMEONE!!!!!
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 08:22 AM
not casual either, though.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 06:03 PM
Casualcore?
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Posted 23 June 2010 - 03:06 AM
I put on Hardcore.
Games are being dumbed down, to support an increased playerbase. I both hate and love it. More money in gaming means more games which tends to mean more start-ups with new ideas and an utter lack of corporate formulamatic(word? It is now) oversight. But it also means a trash game like ODST or BF:BC2 (not trash, but neither are what they could/should have been) are still successes.
Hardcore? Hardcore is being 20 minutes late leaving for work because god damnit, you were so close to killing that boss and you know where you fucked up and you can do it this time. Hardcore is saving before every conversation in an RPG to see what all the choices are without replaying the rest of the game (I have a friend who does this).
Hardcore is having a notebook per game, where you write down the plotline because you go at least a week between play sessions, and you don't want to miss anything.
Hardcore is standing in line on a tuesday morning, at 12:01, waiting to get your pre-order and having called out of work (or school) that day so you can slam through the single player before you go to sleep.
Hardcore is spending all the free-time you can squeeze playing games, or reading up on upcomming games, or trolling game boards.
I don't care if you spend 40 hours a week or 40 minutes, TIME SPENT is not, ever, hardcore.
Games are being dumbed down, to support an increased playerbase. I both hate and love it. More money in gaming means more games which tends to mean more start-ups with new ideas and an utter lack of corporate formulamatic(word? It is now) oversight. But it also means a trash game like ODST or BF:BC2 (not trash, but neither are what they could/should have been) are still successes.
Hardcore? Hardcore is being 20 minutes late leaving for work because god damnit, you were so close to killing that boss and you know where you fucked up and you can do it this time. Hardcore is saving before every conversation in an RPG to see what all the choices are without replaying the rest of the game (I have a friend who does this).
Hardcore is having a notebook per game, where you write down the plotline because you go at least a week between play sessions, and you don't want to miss anything.
Hardcore is standing in line on a tuesday morning, at 12:01, waiting to get your pre-order and having called out of work (or school) that day so you can slam through the single player before you go to sleep.
Hardcore is spending all the free-time you can squeeze playing games, or reading up on upcomming games, or trolling game boards.
I don't care if you spend 40 hours a week or 40 minutes, TIME SPENT is not, ever, hardcore.
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Posted 23 June 2010 - 03:19 AM
Obdigore, on 23 June 2010 - 03:06 AM, said:
Hardcore is saving before every conversation in an RPG to see what all the choices are without replaying the rest of the game (I have a friend who does this).
Guilty.
Except I thought I was just obsessive.
This post has been edited by ansible: 23 June 2010 - 03:20 AM
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