[Kaschan]

But in both cases (Isabelle Paix – Infiltrator (French) -- Syndicate and Grischa Timkov – Assassin (Russian) -- Syndicate)

Both are syndicate members who gained an ability to CF as a spy - yet you said you couldnt recall any instance where this had happened. And now you have 2 instances.

[Galain]

Also please note Kaschan, I said bwgan was a member of scum, which is the combined symps + killers team. I didn't call bwgan syndicate.

Seriously, I thought it was pretty obvious myself what I was refering to.

[Silanah]

Kaschan, on 19 May 2010 - 12:37 PM, said:

Are you guys being serious?

Galain clearly stated in his first post - there were symps, then says A SYNDICATE MEMBER (Bwgan as the temptress) CFed as A SPY! - then states - he doesnt recall a SYNDICATE MEMBER CFing as A SPY!

Galain said:

Last game there was definitly proper symps in the game. One of the people who CFed as being French, as someone correctly pointed out as Bwgan/The Temptress, they were working for the scum. So we should expect the same in this game.

Galain said:

I don't recall any syndicate members appearing as Spies upon CF,

In fact - this might be the extra alt. A couple of members in the same alt would do this as well.

The fact that neither Eloth or Silanah see this is quite curious. Quite.

The fact that you and D'riss have positively JUMPED on this is quite curious. Quite.

'CFing as French'=/='CFing as Spy', in my mind. They are two different things, nationality and alignment.

However, if it comes down to it, I could be persuaded to vote for what I see as a rather illogical case.

[Kaschan]

Galain, on 19 May 2010 - 12:49 PM, said:

No, thats not what I'm refering to. There was comments which stated, are there, or are there not symps and I said there were symps in the last game.

But there wasnt any symps that I am aware of. In fact, going back to the previous games spoilers shows that there were 4 killers no symps and that 2 of them gained the ability to CF as spys.

[Path-Shaper]

I probably shouldn't do this, as it's active meddling in the game, but:

in Spycraft, everything in a role PM is an ability and all abilities together make the role (combined with a name + faction). As such, there can never be a 'normal' symp.

I also think voting, let alone lynching someone over recollection of material that is eight months old (Spycraft 1), is a tad bit non-sensical. There is nothing I can or will do against it, as that is not what a mod should do, but it is my opinion.

Please keep the games Spycraft 2 and Spycraft 1 seperate. Sure, certain elements are the same, but nothing out of 1 should get someone lynched, killed or otherwise hindered in 2.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 19 May 2010 - 01:02 PM

[Kaschan]

Silanah, on 19 May 2010 - 12:56 PM, said:

'CFing as French'=/='CFing as Spy', in my mind. They are two different things, nationality and alignment.

What a maroon- did you read the CF?

Path-Shaper, on 25 September 2009 - 11:58 AM, said:

Meanas is dead. She was Isabelle Paix, a French spy.

It is now night.

She CFed as both. a french - spy. So before you start pointing fingers, maybe you should check your facts. Make sure you are on the right side of the argument.

[Eloth]

Kaschan, on 19 May 2010 - 12:54 PM, said:

But in both cases (Isabelle Paix – Infiltrator (French) -- Syndicate and Grischa Timkov – Assassin (Russian) -- Syndicate)

Both are syndicate members who gained an ability to CF as a spy - yet you said you couldnt recall any instance where this had happened. And now you have 2 instances.

So you are voting galain for forgetting something?

[Kaschan]

Path-Shaper, on 19 May 2010 - 01:02 PM, said:

I probably shouldn't do this, as it's active meddling in the game, but:

in Spycraft, everything in a role PM is an ability and all abilities together make the role (combined with a name + faction). As such, there can never be a 'normal' symp.

I also think voting, let alone lynching someone over recollection of material that is eight months old (Spycraft 1), is a tad bit non-sensical. There is nothing I can or will do against it, as that is not what a mod should do, but it is my opinion.

Please keep the games Spycraft 2 and Spycraft 1 seperate. Sure, certain elements are the same, but nothing out of 1 should get someone lynched, killed or otherwise hindered in 2.

You are right, you shouldnt have done it. Now I do not feel comfortable pursuing the line of thought that Galain is an extra alt.

@ Eloth - I am not voting Galain.

funny how a bit of conversation can get so many people up in arms. Hes only got one vote people. That in itself is QUITE FUCKING CURIOUS SIL!

[Eloth]

Kaschan, on 19 May 2010 - 01:07 PM, said:

@ Eloth - I am not voting Galain.

funny how a bit of conversation can get so many people up in arms. Hes only got one vote people. That in itself is QUITE FUCKING CURIOUS SIL!

kaschan - emuhrlan same thing

no ones really up in arms....im just slightly confused at why you guys are jumping all over this.
The "case" and attention it is receiving doesn't make sense to me.

[Silanah]

Kaschan, on 19 May 2010 - 01:03 PM, said:

Silanah, on 19 May 2010 - 12:56 PM, said:

'CFing as French'=/='CFing as Spy', in my mind. They are two different things, nationality and alignment.

What a maroon- did you read the CF?

Path-Shaper, on 25 September 2009 - 11:58 AM, said:

Meanas is dead. She was Isabelle Paix, a French spy.

It is now night.

She CFed as both. a french - spy. So before you start pointing fingers, maybe you should check your facts. Make sure you are on the right side of the argument.

The 'right' side? How self-righteous of you, particularly considering this case amounts to 'oh, he said something, but forgot about it later on'. Try not to push so hard, it's more than a mite suspicious.

Besides, you will note that originally in Galain's post there's no mention of her being a spy, only CFing as French. CFing as French means nothing for whether they are inno or scum. At the time I'm fairly sure we knew Meanas was scum by scenes IIRC (I might not, but we certainly figured it out before spoilers), so the salient memory is not the odd CF (like Korv's), but the fact she was French scum. Thus, in my mind it's perfectly acceptable that the memory of CF-disguisers was vague, particularing considering, as PS noted, it's an 8 month old memory.

I suppose I could vote Emurlahn for bringing it up

[Tellan]

I'm very confused by this galain thing - I dont really know what the CFs were supposed to look like last game. From what I understand, Galain does seem to contradict himself a little, but I'm not sure exactly how that is a sign of syndicateness. Extra alt maybe, but that does seem a bit of a stretch.

[Eloth]

I mean they were discussing a previous game.
So a person remembers it vs how it actually happened should have no bearing on what that person aliance is.

Ehmur voted Galain for sewing confusion.
Yet it seems it was ehmur who was just mistaken as to what galain meant.

Then you come out and start pointing out that galain remembered wrong....so what if he could not reember something properly?
He even says he "doesnt remember" ....so whats all the fuss about?... memory of a previous game?

It just seems a tad bit contrived to me.

[Tellan]

Also, T-8 posts till level up.

Edit, 7 posts

This post has been edited by Tellan: 19 May 2010 - 01:19 PM

[Kaschan]

Eloth, on 19 May 2010 - 01:12 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 19 May 2010 - 01:07 PM, said:

@ Eloth - I am not voting Galain.

funny how a bit of conversation can get so many people up in arms. Hes only got one vote people. That in itself is QUITE FUCKING CURIOUS SIL!

kaschan - emuhrlan same thing

no ones really up in arms....im just slightly confused at why you guys are jumping all over this.
The "case" and attention it is receiving doesn't make sense to me.

Let me break it down

Galain said - there are symps - there were in the last game.


Then Galain said - there are no members of Syndicate that CFed as spy in the last game


Both of these show previous knowledge of the last game and the apperance of being helpful.

However - when Emu points out that it is an inconsistent thing to say - because there was in fact a syndicate member that cfed as spy - Sil and you did not see that as being inconsistent.

I did, and D'riss did. So we added pressure to the situation and Galain starts back pedalling and you and Sil seem to be coming to his aid.

PS says we shouldnt lynch based on previous game info, but thats not entirely the reason pressure is being thrown on Galain (at least by me)

Initially it was the reason, but now I might be willing to lynch him based on your (and to a lesser meta extent,, Path-Shapers) defense of him.

Make sense now?

[Eloth]

im sorry i might have missed this in all the spam.
But the talk of an extra alt?

what that got to do with anything?
You think there is one person with 2 alts?

Extra alt is scum?

what exactly is the significance?

[Kaschan]

Eloth, on 19 May 2010 - 01:21 PM, said:

im sorry i might have missed this in all the spam.
But the talk of an extra alt?

what that got to do with anything?
You think there is one person with 2 alts?

Extra alt is scum?

what exactly is the significance?

Well, had you read the fucking thead - instead of saying that you waded through all of the spam (pisses me off because we had quite a bit of content in the previous 7 pages, until the singing started anyway).

there are 23 alts - 22 players.

[Kaschan]

The signifigance is - if 2 or more people were using this extra alt (as had been suggested) then one could have said the first post - the other could have said the second post. thereby contradicting each other and there we go. However, since PS intervened, Im more inclined now to believe that Galain isnt the extra alt being used by 2 or more people, so I have to surmise (its a word) that it was a mistake or a slip. Either way the amount of support for him and against anyone arguin for hs lynch is enough to keep adding pressure, to see what will come out of it.

[Kaschan]

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[Kaschan]

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[Kaschan]

So I will!