[Path-Shaper]

Silanah, on 19 May 2010 - 11:33 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 19 May 2010 - 11:31 AM, said:

Please note that unlike Spycraft 1, night has an (ideal) duration of exactly 0 hours. So please send in your night actions during the day.


Note also that you may submit night actions of a level you have not yet gained.

So: you are allowed to submit a level 1 night action even though you are level 0 at the moment. Should we, for some reason or other, not get to level 1, we will laugh at your orders and ignore them.

So you can laugh and ignore our orders, but we can't laugh and ignore your rules? That hardly seems fair.

That's life.

[Eloth]

Im still not clear on what these scenes are meant to be.

Are they clues?
I understand that you are supposed to look out for traits that align with your own.

But i dont see what us dissecting the scene will accomplish since we will never know who they are referring to unless it is about yourself.

[Emurlahn]

Hi people. Unfortunatley Im just getting this post in so I can drop a vote to further the anti-Chinese cause - the server downage was right in my main log-on time and I cant spend more than a minute on in th emornings. Not sure what PS will/is doing to extend the day and by how long hence I wnated to get this vote down before the end of day just in case.


So:

Galain, on 19 May 2010 - 07:59 AM, said:

Whoever said I should read through the last 7 pr 8 pages, I hate you.

A couple things,

Last game there was definitly proper symps in the game. One of the people who CFed as being French, as someone correctly pointed out as Bwgan/The Temptress, they were working for the scum. So we should expect the same in this game.

Also last game, we got no NKs because the killer hit a BP every night for the first 3 nights. I doubt we will as lucky this time but you never know.

Thirdly.. where the hell are the scenes Mods? They were awesome in the first game, and I demand you do some for this game!

Galain, on 19 May 2010 - 08:42 AM, said:

D, on 19 May 2010 - 08:22 AM, said:

Galain, on 19 May 2010 - 07:59 AM, said:

Whoever said I should read through the last 7 pr 8 pages, I hate you.

A couple things,

Last game there was definitly proper symps in the game. One of the people who CFed as being French, as someone correctly pointed out as Bwgan/The Temptress, they were working for the scum. So we should expect the same in this game.

Also last game, we got no NKs because the killer hit a BP every night for the first 3 nights. I doubt we will as lucky this time but you never know.

Thirdly.. where the hell are the scenes Mods? They were awesome in the first game, and I demand you do some for this game!

Aside the massive cross post fail about scenes, I think in the last game some syndicate members had the ability to appear as spies upon CF.

Yeah well I was refering to the arrival scenes... I don't recall any syndicate members appearing as Spies upon CF, but maybe because we had a finder done on them. Who wants to brave Venges Game 1 Spam to find out?

As to what we should be doing, this is still a scum vs town game right? For me, I think we should be doing everything we would normally do to find the scum in a traditional game. Its always difficult to find scum normally, and if we are going to be playing around trying to stop one town faction or another and not concentrate on the scum then its going to be that much harder. No town faction wins if the scum wins.

Contradictory much?

Vote Galain

for confusing the thread and thats the best I could find for now!

[Silanah]

Unless I've missed something, Gamelon, Meanas and Shadow are still yet to post...

[Silanah]

Emurlahn, on 19 May 2010 - 11:48 AM, said:

Hi people. Unfortunatley Im just getting this post in so I can drop a vote to further the anti-Chinese cause - the server downage was right in my main log-on time and I cant spend more than a minute on in th emornings. Not sure what PS will/is doing to extend the day and by how long hence I wnated to get this vote down before the end of day just in case.


So:

Galain, on 19 May 2010 - 07:59 AM, said:

Whoever said I should read through the last 7 pr 8 pages, I hate you.

A couple things,

Last game there was definitly proper symps in the game. One of the people who CFed as being French, as someone correctly pointed out as Bwgan/The Temptress, they were working for the scum. So we should expect the same in this game.

Also last game, we got no NKs because the killer hit a BP every night for the first 3 nights. I doubt we will as lucky this time but you never know.

Thirdly.. where the hell are the scenes Mods? They were awesome in the first game, and I demand you do some for this game!

Galain, on 19 May 2010 - 08:42 AM, said:

D, on 19 May 2010 - 08:22 AM, said:

Galain, on 19 May 2010 - 07:59 AM, said:

Whoever said I should read through the last 7 pr 8 pages, I hate you.

A couple things,

Last game there was definitly proper symps in the game. One of the people who CFed as being French, as someone correctly pointed out as Bwgan/The Temptress, they were working for the scum. So we should expect the same in this game.

Also last game, we got no NKs because the killer hit a BP every night for the first 3 nights. I doubt we will as lucky this time but you never know.

Thirdly.. where the hell are the scenes Mods? They were awesome in the first game, and I demand you do some for this game!

Aside the massive cross post fail about scenes, I think in the last game some syndicate members had the ability to appear as spies upon CF.

Yeah well I was refering to the arrival scenes... I don't recall any syndicate members appearing as Spies upon CF, but maybe because we had a finder done on them. Who wants to brave Venges Game 1 Spam to find out?

As to what we should be doing, this is still a scum vs town game right? For me, I think we should be doing everything we would normally do to find the scum in a traditional game. Its always difficult to find scum normally, and if we are going to be playing around trying to stop one town faction or another and not concentrate on the scum then its going to be that much harder. No town faction wins if the scum wins.

Contradictory much?

Vote Galain

for confusing the thread and thats the best I could find for now!

Is there a contradiction? I assumed he was referring to both nationality and alignment i.e. bwgan CF'd as French (nationality) and syndicate (alignment), yet the Mastermind CF'd as x (nationality) and Spy even though he was syndicate (alignment). Or maybe I've just had a total brainfart...

[Path-Shaper]

Silanah, on 19 May 2010 - 11:48 AM, said:

Unless I've missed something, Gamelon, Meanas and Shadow are still yet to post...

I'm being nice because of the forum down time for the next 24 hours.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. The clock has been frozen with 02 Hours and 26 Minutes remaining. (7 hours remaining).

23 Players still alive: D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Spite, Tellan

12 votes to lynch, 12 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Galain ( Emurlahn )
1 Vote for Hood's Path ( Omtose )
1 Vote for Mockra ( Kaschan )
1 Vote for Ruse ( Tellan )
1 Vote for Sheltatha Lore ( Silanah )
1 Vote for Kaschan ( Olar Ethil )

Players not voted: D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Sheltatha Lore, Spite

[Kaschan]

32 posts left.

That was a pretty good catch by Emurlahn. I could go with that, but right now I really like my vote on Mockra. I'll be around in a few hours to expand on that, but I have work to do now. Until then.


Edit - 32 posts not 33 - damn you PS.

This post has been edited by Kaschan: 19 May 2010 - 12:03 PM

[D'riss]

Eloth, on 19 May 2010 - 11:48 AM, said:

Im still not clear on what these scenes are meant to be.

Are they clues?
I understand that you are supposed to look out for traits that align with your own.

But i dont see what us dissecting the scene will accomplish since we will never know who they are referring to unless it is about yourself.

It is a good idea in that we may identify the syndicate agents by their actions within the scenes and if a player recognises the person from a scene where they targetted that person they will know who is the syndicate agent. Also it will help us keep track of the number of players having actions. Once the number of players goes down and we have more scenes to look at if people divulge suspicions of who is in which scene it will make the our job much easier. By the end of the last game we had put almost everyone playing against a person in a scene and it was a simple matter of going through those left to discover the identity of the syndicate. This time we are slightly hampered by the fact we cannot reveal, but a few factions clearly have the abiltiy to form off thread comms and people can reveal through proxy which is not against the rules.

[Galain]

Emurlahn, on 19 May 2010 - 11:48 AM, said:

Hi people. Unfortunatley Im just getting this post in so I can drop a vote to further the anti-Chinese cause - the server downage was right in my main log-on time and I cant spend more than a minute on in th emornings. Not sure what PS will/is doing to extend the day and by how long hence I wnated to get this vote down before the end of day just in case.


So:

Galain, on 19 May 2010 - 07:59 AM, said:

Whoever said I should read through the last 7 pr 8 pages, I hate you.

A couple things,

Last game there was definitly proper symps in the game. One of the people who CFed as being French, as someone correctly pointed out as Bwgan/The Temptress, they were working for the scum. So we should expect the same in this game.

Also last game, we got no NKs because the killer hit a BP every night for the first 3 nights. I doubt we will as lucky this time but you never know.

Thirdly.. where the hell are the scenes Mods? They were awesome in the first game, and I demand you do some for this game!

Galain, on 19 May 2010 - 08:42 AM, said:

D, on 19 May 2010 - 08:22 AM, said:

Galain, on 19 May 2010 - 07:59 AM, said:

Whoever said I should read through the last 7 pr 8 pages, I hate you.

A couple things,

Last game there was definitly proper symps in the game. One of the people who CFed as being French, as someone correctly pointed out as Bwgan/The Temptress, they were working for the scum. So we should expect the same in this game.

Also last game, we got no NKs because the killer hit a BP every night for the first 3 nights. I doubt we will as lucky this time but you never know.

Thirdly.. where the hell are the scenes Mods? They were awesome in the first game, and I demand you do some for this game!

Aside the massive cross post fail about scenes, I think in the last game some syndicate members had the ability to appear as spies upon CF.

Yeah well I was refering to the arrival scenes... I don't recall any syndicate members appearing as Spies upon CF, but maybe because we had a finder done on them. Who wants to brave Venges Game 1 Spam to find out?

As to what we should be doing, this is still a scum vs town game right? For me, I think we should be doing everything we would normally do to find the scum in a traditional game. Its always difficult to find scum normally, and if we are going to be playing around trying to stop one town faction or another and not concentrate on the scum then its going to be that much harder. No town faction wins if the scum wins.

Contradictory much?

Vote Galain

for confusing the thread and thats the best I could find for now!

Its not contradictory. The first part is talking about symps we never know if they are syndicate or not. The second part is talking about syndicate members who could disguise their CF or themselves to a Find etc.

[Eloth]

Im dont get what ehmurlan has supposedly discovered.


seems like galain in saying a similar thing.

[D'riss]

In the first quote galain mentions how in the last game there were symps as syndicate members appeared with a nationality. In the second quote Galain claims not to remember if syndicate members appeared as spies. It is fairly ambigious as in his second statement you could argue that a syndicate member appearing as a spy is the definition of symp which he had made a point of addressing in post one. On the other hand the first post may simply refer to nationality and not spy or syndicate.

Lets look at bwgan from the last game then as this is the player he actively mentions in his first post.

First her abilities which from level 0 show she is immune to finds but a cf check might aid us.

Quote

Isabelle Paix – Infiltrator (French) -- Syndicate
Level 0:
Spy in the Web: passive. knows the identity of all syndicate players, and their code-names.
Infiltrated: passive. comes up as a spy on finds
Level 1:
Seductress: night only . Limited number of uses (1). Establish a lover link with a player of your choice (this may be another syndicate player or a spy). You do this by sending a PM containing the players name to the mods, they will inform your target and then get back to you. From there on, you can send each other messages directly, CCing H&M.
Level 2:
Inside Information: day only: send a PM from a lover you have to the Mastermind. Useable any number of times per day, but precludes using other day abilities.
Level 3:
Menage-a-trois: night only. Limited number of uses (1). establish a lover link with a second player of your choice.
Level 4:
Secrets betrayed: Limited number of uses (1). When you receive this ability, send the name of a single player you have a lover relationship with to the mods. You learn all of his abilities and may broadcast them to another player of your choice (does not have to be a lover or syndicate player) upon receiving this ability. This counts as your night/ day action for this phase.
Level 5:
Wine in front of me: Day only: kill one of your lovers.

Path-Shaper, on 25 September 2009 - 11:58 AM, said:

"Presidente, we have received a tip-off of a spy operating on our grounds. We have detained her, but rumors on the street are strong of her actually being in league with your... off-shore investments. What do you want us to do?"

"Did you interrogate her?"

"We did, Presidente."

"And?"

"She denies all involvement with your international backers."

"She looks like Greta Garbo..." Hugo Gremio mused, chewing on the tip of his moustacho.
he lit a cigar. "If the rumors are true, I am sure a lapse would be forgiven in these times of crisis, wouldn't you agree? Besides, it is not like my friends in the world informed me of her presence. So, because she is a trespassing spy, and because I hate that thirties-look, let's make an example of her. Kill her."

Meanas is dead. She was Isabelle Paix, a French spy.

It is now night.

Interestingly meanas appeared as a french spy upon death even though the ability doesnt seem to cover that. So although galain recalled that bwgan was a symp and remembered they appeared in the previous game he does seem to forget that in his second post.

[Path-Shaper]

^^^^

CF = coroner finder = find.

In my book, that is....

[D'riss]

Scratch that sorry, Galain says someone else mentioned bwgan. When first reading through it after emurhlan made the link i had though that he had brought her role up himself.

[D'riss]

Path-Shaper, on 19 May 2010 - 12:31 PM, said:

^^^^

CF = coroner finder = find.

In my book, that is....

By that token of information then we will most certainly have syndicate members cf as spies int his game, unless our coroner finder has five levels too...

[Kaschan]

Are you guys being serious?

Galain clearly stated in his first post - there were symps, then says A SYNDICATE MEMBER (Bwgan as the temptress) CFed as A SPY! - then states - he doesnt recall a SYNDICATE MEMBER CFing as A SPY!

Galain said:

Last game there was definitly proper symps in the game. One of the people who CFed as being French, as someone correctly pointed out as Bwgan/The Temptress, they were working for the scum. So we should expect the same in this game.

Galain said:

I don't recall any syndicate members appearing as Spies upon CF,

In fact - this might be the extra alt. A couple of members in the same alt would do this as well.

The fact that neither Eloth or Silanah see this is quite curious. Quite.

[Eloth]

D, on 19 May 2010 - 12:33 PM, said:

Scratch that sorry, Galain says someone else mentioned bwgan. When first reading through it after emurhlan made the link i had though that he had brought her role up himself.

yea exactly...was rather confused.

seems the case is taken out of context.

[Eloth]

Kaschan, on 19 May 2010 - 12:37 PM, said:

Are you guys being serious?

Galain clearly stated in his first post - there were symps, then says A SYNDICATE MEMBER (Bwgan as the temptress) CFed as A SPY! - then states - he doesnt recall a SYNDICATE MEMBER CFing as A SPY!

Galain said:

Last game there was definitly proper symps in the game. One of the people who CFed as being French, as someone correctly pointed out as Bwgan/The Temptress, they were working for the scum. So we should expect the same in this game.

Galain said:

I don't recall any syndicate members appearing as Spies upon CF,

In fact - this might be the extra alt. A couple of members in the same alt would do this as well.

The fact that neither Eloth or Silanah see this is quite curious. Quite.

its confusing...so many different names for the same thing.
just call a fucking symp a fucking symp and a fucking scum fucking scum and it might be easier to follow


galain....could you explain properly what you where on about?
Having not played those previous games i am well confused right now!

[Eloth]

See, now when he says "spies", is he referring to the actual word "spy" or the fact that "french", "chinese" etc can be called spies too but can also be symps?

could be he is just talkng about being called "spy" vs being called "French"
spy being definitely a spy and french being either a spy or symp?

im confusing myself...i think

[Galain]

Kaschan, on 19 May 2010 - 12:37 PM, said:

Are you guys being serious?

Galain clearly stated in his first post - there were symps, then says A SYNDICATE MEMBER (Bwgan as the temptress) CFed as A SPY! - then states - he doesnt recall a SYNDICATE MEMBER CFing as A SPY!

Galain said:

Last game there was definitly proper symps in the game. One of the people who CFed as being French, as someone correctly pointed out as Bwgan/The Temptress, they were working for the scum. So we should expect the same in this game.

Galain said:

I don't recall any syndicate members appearing as Spies upon CF,

In fact - this might be the extra alt. A couple of members in the same alt would do this as well.

The fact that neither Eloth or Silanah see this is quite curious. Quite.

No, thats not what I'm refering to. There was comments which stated, are there, or are there not symps and I said there were symps in the last game.
Someone mentioned syndicate members as well could also do a CF as normal but I didn't recall them, but apparently there was one as someone pointed out.

Quote

Grischa Timkov – Assassin (Russian) -- Syndicate
...
Level 2:
Consummate Liar: passive. You come up as a spy on finds/CF instead of Syndicate.

I see where the confusion is. Normally the scum team is composed of two distinct groups, killer and symps. In this case I was and am refering to the killers = syndicate, and symps = symps which is the normal way of thinking.