[Silencer]

Yes, MTS knows me too well. XD

I went to bed without checking the deadline - we hadn't had an update, and so I didn't realize that the deadline was so soon. Hence I forgot to submit my guard.

[HoosierDaddy]

Your last post was 13 hours before deadline, Silencer. Now, a veteran player prepares their self to not be around for deadline, even if they just have to input a provisional way too soon. Now, instead of claiming "No guard" you claim "accident."

I don't buy it. I call bullshit.

Vote Silencer.

[Silencer]

Yes. 13 hours before deadline. I didn't know that at the time, hence I didn't submit an action. What's wrong with that? O.o

[Tapper]

HoosierDaddy, on 11 September 2009 - 06:01 AM, said:

Your last post was 13 hours before deadline, Silencer. Now, a veteran player prepares their self to not be around for deadline, even if they just have to input a provisional way too soon. Now, instead of claiming "No guard" you claim "accident."

I don't buy it. I call bullshit.

Vote Silencer.

It is more believeable that Silencer isn't lying, imho. He was the number one proponent of the 'healers & guards do nothing' approach, wasn't he? As a result, to me it is quite understandable that as long as his plan was still a real option, he didn't submit a provisional.

edit: spelling of 'still'

This post has been edited by Tapper: 11 September 2009 - 06:12 AM

[HoosierDaddy]

That you are a good player, Silencer. You prepare for exigencies, therefore, if you were going to claim "non-guard" you would have claimed it at first. Plus, MTS coming to your aid doesn't necessarily help you, what the hell should he care?

It boils down to me believing you are better than to forget, and claiming accident doesn't buy it for me.

[HoosierDaddy]

Tapper, on 11 September 2009 - 06:12 AM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on 11 September 2009 - 06:01 AM, said:

Your last post was 13 hours before deadline, Silencer. Now, a veteran player prepares their self to not be around for deadline, even if they just have to input a provisional way too soon. Now, instead of claiming "No guard" you claim "accident."

I don't buy it. I call bullshit.

Vote Silencer.

It is more believeable that Silencer isn't lying, imho. He was the number one proponent of the 'healers & guards do nothing' approach, wasn't he? As a result, to me it is quite understandable that as long as his plan was still a real option, he didn't submit a provisional.

edit: spelling of 'still'

That's not what he claimed though, he claimed he forgot to insert one and said it was 'stupid,' to have done so.

[MTS]

Well Silencer, who were you thinking of guarding? If you are inno, then your guard target could be a killer.

[HoosierDaddy]

Mappo, on 11 September 2009 - 06:14 AM, said:

Well Silencer, who were you thinking of guarding? If you are inno, then your guard target could be a killer.

WIFOM, I love yah! That is a nonsensical approach, Mappo. Only actions and words before they are made talk, not wishes and intents. It's why I doubt you actually guarded me. Paranoia is the way to win the game.

[Tapper]

HoosierDaddy, on 10 September 2009 - 09:26 PM, said:

So, we lost a RI, Vig, and Guard. Dkt was a vig.

Leaving 3 healers, 2 guards, 2 RI, and 1 Vig.

None of the vigs were/are scum (I'm not). We have two killers one symp. Two kills today puts wcs scum at, even with no lynch, 3 scum 3 town. That makes it basically D-Day, unless PB was a symp and we got lucky hitting him.

Hinter claims he guarded Ment.
I didn't Vig.

HoosierDaddy, on 10 September 2009 - 10:03 PM, said:

Just me saying that I think it's d-day, and why, and where I view the game.

But, I do find it interesting, and you don't have to believe me at all but I know it to be true, that none of the vigs were scum. Now, viewing it from that perspective:

2 scum killers (Ment couldn't have vigged, if we believe Hinter, and I didn't) could be any combination of the other 3 groups.

Healer-killer scares me the most, as they are then immune to my night vig. Which could be why we were given day vig ability.

Guard - killer is slightly less overpowered, but can still block my vig.

RI - killer, regular killer.

I don't know, just getting some thoughts out there, as somebody has to do so.

You're claiming inno again, and once more state that you 'know' that none of the vigs were/are scum. Wrong. They CFed inno, and we don't have yours, just your say-so. If it is d-day, there is still a symp alive. We all thought PB could be a symp. Know, if we think that of PB, why the fuck couldn't Ment be one, or Gavin, and the killers making a mistake and offing one of their own? If Ment was a symping vig, he might have taken his action - we simply do not know because Hinter guarded him.

Now, let's expand this a bit:
1) Ment drew enough suspicion to be guarded.
2) he was NKed, logical choice since a vig can turn the game upside down.
2a) if you were scum/symp, wouldn't you take out your last vigging competition, knowing dkt is gone?
3) If we look at his play-style, he was the one to pursue the most people and try and catch them on stuff. First Venge, then Bent. Fingering people is sympish, and on a slow day like yesterday, I'd say 2 is about the maximum of people you can attack before standing out as overly aggressive.

So, what do I notice about your day 2 behaviour, so far?
1) you're eager to associate with the cfs of dkt and ment.
2) in 2 posts, you emphasize you're inno. No-one has done that, yet... you trying to engrain it by repeating it? It sounds almost as if you have something to hide.
3) why should we believe you? If this is d-day, I want to put pressure on as many people as I can, but by saying again and again from the start of the day that you are inno, you seem to want to avoid questions.
4) you are putting pressure onto others. Great, cause that's what we need to find scum. Don't try to pre-empt others questioning you, then, by saying you are inno

[MTS]

I healed you Hoosier, I didn't guard you. I gave you the reason why. Plus, I'm new at this, and this game is highly confusing.

Well, I guess I'm just more sympathetic to Silencer's little fumble. One of the reasons I got lynched last time was forgetting when the deadline was

But I guess you're right. We will get nowhere with sympathy. What reason would a scum have not to guard though? If they're paired, and Silencer is a guard, would it not make sense for him to guard a healer or another guard?

[Tapper]

HoosierDaddy, on 11 September 2009 - 06:14 AM, said:

Tapper, on 11 September 2009 - 06:12 AM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on 11 September 2009 - 06:01 AM, said:

Your last post was 13 hours before deadline, Silencer. Now, a veteran player prepares their self to not be around for deadline, even if they just have to input a provisional way too soon. Now, instead of claiming "No guard" you claim "accident."

I don't buy it. I call bullshit.

Vote Silencer.

It is more believeable that Silencer isn't lying, imho. He was the number one proponent of the 'healers & guards do nothing' approach, wasn't he? As a result, to me it is quite understandable that as long as his plan was still a real option, he didn't submit a provisional.

edit: spelling of 'still'

Stupid to forget to put in a prov or stupid to forget and check the thread?

That's not what he claimed though, he claimed he forgot to insert one and said it was 'stupid,' to have done so.

If he put in a prov, he would have doomed his own plan from the start. That would be scummish, and I think he's too good for that, but an honest mistake I can see.

edit: quote tags.

This post has been edited by Tapper: 11 September 2009 - 06:28 AM

[HoosierDaddy]

Well, did you notice the "I know you won't believe it, but", in actuality that's for prosperity's sake as I'm not really bothering with SH this game so far.

Anyhow, yes, question me out the wazoo, I have nothing to hide. I have far more to gain in being aggressive at this pint, seeing as how I'm the only Vig town has left at this point. If they have healer or guard they can block my ass so I need as much information as possible during the day because, if they do have healer or guard, I'm no longer useful during the night. Odds are, even if we lynch right, I'm dead tonight.

[HoosierDaddy]

Tapper, on 11 September 2009 - 06:28 AM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on 11 September 2009 - 06:14 AM, said:

Tapper, on 11 September 2009 - 06:12 AM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on 11 September 2009 - 06:01 AM, said:

Your last post was 13 hours before deadline, Silencer. Now, a veteran player prepares their self to not be around for deadline, even if they just have to input a provisional way too soon. Now, instead of claiming "No guard" you claim "accident."

I don't buy it. I call bullshit.

Vote Silencer.

It is more believeable that Silencer isn't lying, imho. He was the number one proponent of the 'healers & guards do nothing' approach, wasn't he? As a result, to me it is quite understandable that as long as his plan was still a real option, he didn't submit a provisional.

edit: spelling of 'still'

Stupid to forget to put in a prov or stupid to forget and check the thread?

That's not what he claimed though, he claimed he forgot to insert one and said it was 'stupid,' to have done so.

If he put in a prov, he would have doomed his own plan from the start. That would be scummish, and I think he's too good for that, but an honest mistake I can see.

edit: quote tags.

Any plan was shot once DKT went Vig on PB. I don't understand you trying to explain his conflicting words, Tapper.

Edit: To add, Silencer was ONLINE during the Dkt meltdown and knew what was happening there.

This post has been edited by HoosierDaddy: 11 September 2009 - 06:38 AM

[alt146]

I figured the killers would go for a guard, so I healed Hinter. Seems I should have gone for Gav.

Anyway, unless I'm getting horribly confused or scum have two kills, someone must be lying here. And I think it's very unlikely scum have two kills. In fact I think DiBs might have confirmed they dont yesterday. My coffee just wore off, so sorry if I'm a little confused.

PB -> killed by DK's vig.

Two other kills -> one vig and one NK.

Hinter claims to have guarded Ment and Hoosier says he didnt vig. Which means there couldnt have been a second vig last night. Unless Gavin guarded Hinter, which there's no way of knowing.
Now Hinter started the day saying he guarded Ment. If he was scum and lying he could have said so to said so on the chance it was Ment who vigged, knowing it might set Hoosier up. If Ment didn't vig noone would know. Hoosier could lie to not look scummy and make us think there's an inno vig available when their isnt.

Edit - or Silencer is in fact lying and guarded Hinter. I'm really not sure, but there's somewhere on this page.

This post has been edited by alt146: 11 September 2009 - 06:53 AM

[alt146]

Gah, I have to go give a presentation, back in an hour or two.

[HoosierDaddy]

alt146, on 11 September 2009 - 06:46 AM, said:

I figured the killers would go for a guard, so I healed Hinter. Seems I should have gone for Gav.

Anyway, unless I'm getting horribly confused or scum have two kills, someone must be lying here. And I think it's very unlikely scum have two kills. In fact I think DiBs might have confirmed they dont yesterday. My coffee just wore off, so sorry if I'm a little confused.

PB -> killed by DK's vig.

Two other kills -> one vig and one NK.

Hinter claims to have guarded Ment and Hoosier says he didnt vig. Which means there couldnt have been a second vig last night. Unless Gavin guarded Hinter, which there's no way of knowing.
Now Hinter started the day saying he guarded Ment. If he was scum and lying he could have said so to said so on the chance it was Ment who vigged, knowing it might set Hoosier up. If Ment didn't vig noone would know. Hoosier could lie to not look scummy and make us think there's an inno vig available when their isnt.

That's an incredibly ridiculous post. Since when did we not play worst case scenario as town? We had 3 kills last night, one outed as Dkt:

Path-Shaper, on 09 September 2009 - 08:53 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 24 hours and 20 minutes remaining

12 Players still alive: alt, bent, dk, gavin, hinter, hoosierdaddy, mappo, ment, pb, silencer, tapper, veng

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night

1 vote for pb: ( alt )
1 vote for Night: ( bent )

Players not voted: dk, gavin, hinter, hoosierdaddy, mappo, ment, pb, silencer, tapper, veng


the scum have been selected and informed. they were informed the moment the game started. the scum retain all abilities held before.

Path-Shaper, on 10 September 2009 - 07:46 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 13 hours and 26 minutes remaining

12 Players still alive: alt, bent, dk, gavin, hinter, hoosierdaddy, mappo, ment, pb, silencer, tapper, veng

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night

1 vote for ment: ( pb )
1 vote for pb: ( alt )

Players not voted: bent, dk, gavin, hinter, hoosierdaddy, mappo, ment, silencer, tapper, veng



Clarification :- Scum can use both their kill and their normal action if they have one, but a guard can block any action that player tries to make.

Path-Shaper, on 10 September 2009 - 07:52 AM, said:

alt146, on 10 September 2009 - 07:49 AM, said:

Normaly pairing rules apply DiBs?

if there is a shared action both players must be guarded to stop it.

Read these quotes, and tell me that WCS says there aren't 2 killers, and they are posted in order. So, evidently you are horribly confused or not paying attention to the game.

[Silencer]

HoosierDaddy, on 11 September 2009 - 06:17 AM, said:

Mappo, on 11 September 2009 - 06:14 AM, said:

Well Silencer, who were you thinking of guarding? If you are inno, then your guard target could be a killer.

WIFOM, I love yah! That is a nonsensical approach, Mappo. Only actions and words before they are made talk, not wishes and intents. It's why I doubt you actually guarded me. Paranoia is the way to win the game.

While I agree that Mappo's question is pointless, and dangerous, what you're saying is that I'm lying, that Mappo is lying, and that we're therefore both scum?
Man. You are SO good at this game. You've found two scum over the course of one night!
/sarcasm.
Also, I call bs on your claim that I have conflicting words. Quote me please where I say anything other than that I forgot to submit a night action?

alt, are assuming only one killer?

[HoosierDaddy]

Point on the conflicting words, Silencer, you are right. It just seems like sloppy play, and I don't expect that out of you. I could be wrong though, and everybody screws up. But your explanation seemed off to me, and I'd be a useless player if I didn't attack something I saw as off.

Also, I'd appreciate respect if you can give it. I've not disrespected you in anyway, if anything I've given you a lot of respect as a player.

[Silencer]

I'm sorry Hoosier, but when someone is calling me a liar, and is claiming to have found two scum on day two, I tend to get a little bit sceptical.

[HoosierDaddy]

I'd ask where I claimed to have found two scum at this point, Silencer.