[Vengeance]

I think the thing that we should be discussing at this point is if we are going to lynch today. I am not in favor of it. We are already down an inno due to Dkt's little PM problem, and with him targeting PB tonight we are more then likely down two innocents. Without the scum doing anything at all.

[alt146]

Mappo, on 10 September 2009 - 02:59 PM, said:

Ah yes, Gavin - the one with no shame.

I don't think vigging early is the best option either. It's a risky maneuver, and quite possibly great for scum. If we have a scum healer and a scum guard, they have a good chance of surviving the game. Whether two scum being roled is a likely possibility...I dunno. I think the vigs should hold off for tonight, and see whose left standing in the morning, and speculate from there. It should be easier to figure than hoping the vigs are being honest with their choices. Then again, we need to trust the guards and healers not to lie for it to really work.

Kiff, we have a conundrum.

Everything in mafia is a conundrum. Our biggest problem at this point is the amount scum can screw with us with their own NAs.

[Gavin]

I'm in the West Australian time zone (though I am from New Zealand).. and since I have work tomorrow I am off in a minute.

I will put in my Guard action and see how things go. For me, we're down one Vig and one CI, we have no idea what PB is going to come back as. I'd prefer we hold off the remaining two Vigs as well and see how it looks in the morning.

We also have no cases to go on at the moment as far as I can tell. I read back over the PB Veng vote and it really just looks like a mistake from PB than anything else. With only 6 hours I don't see a lynch happening either.

So goodnight to all

[Hinter]

Well I certainly favour no vig. As for a lynch there are no decent cases yet to vote on. Tbh I ahven't got a clue what to do.

[Peanutbutta]

Morning all, catching up from page 2. Just wanted to respond early to those who were saying I wasn't playing like myself, I'm not really sure how I'm playing differently. I post a LOT, frequently accuse many people, and generally just make myself visible. Obviously I tried something different in YTR which didn't work out, but that's my general MO.

If anything, I'm rusty from not playing recently and having to moderate stale games!

Tapper, on 10 September 2009 - 07:36 AM, said:

Peanutbutta, on 10 September 2009 - 06:39 AM, said:

Hey Silencer, I'm about to hit the sack, but I wanted to comment on your counter-proposal. I'd say that, honestly, the healers are our BEST bet of finding scum early in the game. The guards are much more useful when one scum is vigged/lynched, although the symp could still muck that up.

Basically, all three healers need to pick someone tonight and not say who in advance. Even if we have scum healers, they are just going to heal their partner/masters. So we know we'll have 3 healers. All 3 guards should probably NOT guard the healers. Tomorrow, we see what happens. If we have zero deaths, healers and guards should reveal targets. Scum guards and healers could of course be lying, but we have a good shot at figuring out who may be scum simply due to who was healed and guarded. Gotta account for pairing in the guard figuring, but should be a good start.

I've kind of dropped my idea for the reason Ment said, that we put too many eggs in the "night action" basket and ultimately not enough into discussion. My idea actually encourages speed lynching so I'm going to just toss it out as a bad idea.

I do find the people all clamoring to call me a symp pretty amusing, however. My main 'on thread' vibe for today is that Vengy called me scummy early on and then Ment made a similar symp call-out, which could be a small signal.Most people probably remember Obdi signalling his masters last game with 2 early joke votes, so I wouldn't be surprised to find symps acting in this behavior. Alt actually voted me, but I don't blame him for that. He had the balls to drop an early vote and not throw around the symp label without voting.

So based on that little info, before I hit the sack,

Vote Vengeance

ehm, why are you giving alt some slack? Especially after giving the Obdi example?

I'm not sure I understand the question. The Obdi example is a symp signalling his masters, but alt voted me and I'm no scum. Are you suggesting that by my example, alt could be scum and anyone calling me scummy/sympish is signalling him? That would put Venge, Ment, and Bent all in that pool.

[Peanutbutta]

Hinter, on 10 September 2009 - 07:37 AM, said:

So why idid I think this was going to easier than normal, being altless and roles revealed. If anything I'm more confused than I usually am!

At the moment I kind of like PB's connection of Vengy, Ment and Bent, although Alt is correct, PB hasn't called anyone a moron or an idiot yet, which is suspicious in itself.

Careful there, you're confusing me with most of the other players on this board. I almost unilaterally steer AWAY from ad hominem attacks, although I have been known to "fight back" if someone's bashing me on a personal level. Ask m45 about that one

[Peanutbutta]

dktorode, on 10 September 2009 - 08:05 AM, said:

Kill peanutbutta

lol, sweeeeeeeet

[Peanutbutta]

OK I'm caught up. I get that people find me sympish or w/e and you need the CF, that's cool. Football coming up anyway so I'm gonna be all into that for the next few days.

Using guards will be tricky tonight because you don't want to PI anyone this early with double powers and pairing.

I would simply caution you guys to NOT use any other vigs tonight. If a vig goes off, one fo the vigs is probably scum.

The best idea is the one proposed by Vengy at this point, go to night and do not lynch.

Remove Vote
Vote Night

[Bent]

Well, firstly, I think that the PB vig should go through no mater what, because it was called out on thread.

Secondly, I think that with one inno gone, and an unknown going to certainly be vigged, lynching someone really reduces the amount of possible scum. So I am all for

Voting Vengeance

to get a lynch. Although I would happily vote MTS as well. Something scummy about his posts, but for now, I put that down as second game, unalted, jitters. By IGMEOY (that means I Got My Eye On You, lol)

[Vengeance]

Bent, on 10 September 2009 - 04:02 PM, said:

Well, firstly, I think that the PB vig should go through no mater what, because it was called out on thread.

Secondly, I think that with one inno gone, and an unknown going to certainly be vigged, lynching someone really reduces the amount of possible scum. So I am all for

Voting Vengeance

to get a lynch. Although I would happily vote MTS as well. Something scummy about his posts, but for now, I put that down as second game, unalted, jitters. By IGMEOY (that means I Got My Eye On You, lol)

So the only reason your following Mental is to get a lynch on me. Who voted for me cause PB switched his vote in under 5 minutes. Yeah that is a good reason to lynch a healer. Just follow your master(Mental) there Bent he won't lead you wrong.

[Bent]

Vengeance, on 10 September 2009 - 04:14 PM, said:

Bent, on 10 September 2009 - 04:02 PM, said:

Well, firstly, I think that the PB vig should go through no mater what, because it was called out on thread.

Secondly, I think that with one inno gone, and an unknown going to certainly be vigged, lynching someone really reduces the amount of possible scum. So I am all for

Voting Vengeance

to get a lynch. Although I would happily vote MTS as well. Something scummy about his posts, but for now, I put that down as second game, unalted, jitters. By IGMEOY (that means I Got My Eye On You, lol)

So the only reason your following Mental is to get a lynch on me. Who voted for me cause PB switched his vote in under 5 minutes. Yeah that is a good reason to lynch a healer. Just follow your master(Mental) there Bent he won't lead you wrong.

No, the only other vote on right now is pb voting night....not gonna happen...also, we probably wont get a lynch anyway, but you are the only one with a vote on him right now.

[Vengeance]

If one of the vigs are scum then they will be able to hurry the end of game. However if one of the guards are scum then they can guard the vigs or healers and continue to happily kill and frame people. The guards and vigs are the most dangerous roles that a scum can be. If the scum is a healer then the best he can do is to be a regular killer. As healer's can't heal themselves and so as a extra power that would be next to useless for scum.

As such I would like it if Bent and Mental would at least give a little bit more of their reasoning for voting off a healer. Cause the bullshit with the PB vote is just that.

I could just as easily say that since Mental is a potential scum/vig he should be voted off.


Vote Mental

[Hinter]

I am not happy lynching anyone now as there is no where near enough evidence on anyone to make me want to vote, and we are already at least one inno down with another possible dying tonight.

So the most sensible option imho is to

vote Night

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 4 hours and 23 minutes remaining

11 Players still alive: alt, bent, gavin, hinter, hoosierdaddy, mappo, ment, pb, silencer, tapper, veng

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night

2 votes for veng: ( ment, bent )
1 vote for ment: ( veng )
2 votes for Night: ( pb, hinter )

Players not voted: alt, gavin, hoosierdaddy, mappo, silencer, tapper

[MTS]

Lynching anyone for lynching's sake is stupid at this point, as is using any of the vigs, as we really have no idea who possible scum could be. Add to that the dead inno and soon-to-be-dead inno (possibly), now's really not a good time to be making rash decisions with lives. Again, I say healers and guards, do your thang, and we'll see what comes with the morrow.

Anyway, I'm sending in my provisional and going to bed.

[Tapper]

Home at last.

Is it me getting Silencer's plan wrong, or is it now ruined (quite a big word)by Gavin sending in a provisional?

[Mentalist]

ok, wtf?

Bent, stop fake-symping me, or I swear to god, I'll vig you right now.

I'm not too worried about a lynch, seeing as ppl are voting night and day will prolly time out, and that's some mighty nice OMGUS-ing you've got there, venge.

but aside from Bent humping my leg like that, I really don't see anythinng happening here

in fact
remove vote
vote Bent

because if Peanut ain't a symp, well, you've gotta be one.

[HoosierDaddy]

We are down one inno vig. We are down a possible RI tonight due to vig. That's possibly two dead innos. I'm not vigging anyone tonight. Lynching someone at this point sounds like a shot in the dark when we already artificially in the hole.

I'm no go for a lynch at this point.

[Vengeance]

Mentalist, on 10 September 2009 - 05:02 PM, said:

ok, wtf?

Bent, stop fake-symping me, or I swear to god, I'll vig you right now.

I'm not too worried about a lynch, seeing as ppl are voting night and day will prolly time out, and that's some mighty nice OMGUS-ing you've got there, venge.

but aside from Bent humping my leg like that, I really don't see anythinng happening here

in fact
remove vote
vote Bent

because if Peanut ain't a symp, well, you've gotta be one.

Well thank you. The theory is sound though.

Remove vote

[Path-Shaper]

1 hr 47 left

11 Players still alive: alt, bent, gavin, hinter, hoosierdaddy, mappo, ment, pb, silencer, tapper, veng

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night

1 vote for veng: ( bent )
1 vote for bent: ( ment )
2 votes for Night: ( pb, hinter )

Players not voted: alt, gavin, hoosierdaddy, mappo, silencer, tapper, veng