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hmm, dunno how many people are going to buy that, but hopefully I can get another inno dead before I go down or something. Plus there's the fact that kesso wasnt CI, which I will bring up tomorrow, or if Anthras comes back on.

Every inno essentially having a find means this is super hard for scum Let's see how long I can keep myself alive.

Yeah, this duel mechanic isn't going quite the way I thought it would. Then again you're unlucky to get picked at random on the first day too...

not really - there was a number of inno/remaining people chance it would happen. The mechanic itself was pretty cool - there should just have been a ban on announcing your target before you duelled. You could say afterwords if you lived since that would PI people and if you were defeated you'd out your attacker, but with the way the game is now I was up against a team where every inno had a find... There's a good chance this will be over by tomorrow.

Yeah. After about 6 hours of this game I realized what I would change for the next one - make duels a secret thing completely, can't talk about it on-thread at all. That would probably make for a lot fewer duels, which is actually a good thing. Everyone dueling every day takes too much importance away from the NAs and lynches.

Also, nothing good ever comes of rushing to get a game started in 18 hours...

This is true. The one time I have an awesome scum role... No worries though, you can just make me more badass in the next game It's the innos own fault for making the game boring.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 20 August 2009 - 01:29 PM

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Okay, I challenge Kalse.

No Duel has occured. You may not reveal this on-thread. You may not reveal that you may not reveal this on-thread on-thread.

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There seems but one way for me to make sure of this.

Duel Olar Ethil

This was a NO DUEL.

DO NOT REVEAL THIS ON THREAD. THIS IS ON PAIN OF MODKILL

This says directly that I am not allowed to reveal that there was no duel. The claim that I'm not allowed to say that I'm bared from revealing my result is in not supported by the disclaimer. If you'd wanted me to keep that from the thread as well it should have been spesified instead of just assuming that I'm able to infer limitations through a sentence that says nothing of the kind.

I'm arguing with you as much as I want as long as I keep it to pm. If you don't want to answer it then ignore it but I followed the rules you set down for me and don't really appreciate being accused of breaking rules that only exist in spoiler heaven.

what you've created now is a game where people can say whom they're targeting for a duel, but then may end up not being allowed to mention or even refer to their duel for the rest of the game. Considering that, you should have actually mentioned the rules regarding it before you strike out with the mod-killing stick.
Do not argue with the mod. It is under deliberation.

Morgy, it was deliberately kept from the game thread. I don't know why - other than the fact that such would give away the fact that people would not be allowed to talk about certain duelling outcomes - but if you were even remotely unsure of what my intensely emphasised message meant you should have asked.
D'rek will resolve this when he gets on.

Well the problem here is that I was never uncertain about the rules regarding this. The disclaimer was clear, and it did not even cross my mind that I was meant - as a mod kill based rule - to ignore every request, question, demand or threat aimed my way in regards to my announced duel. That's a massive limitation to how what I can say for the rest of the game, and as more days progress the limitations will become ever more severe if I continue to duel people, or not for that matter.

So no, I was never uncertain about this because I assumed that I would be told about something as drastic as that.

I'm sorry for bombing you with these messages, but I get really frustrated when you threaten to mod-kill me for breaking a rule I didn't know existed. Not to mention I can't really psot until this is resolved either.

D'rek here. While I admit that we didn't specifically say not to talk about not talking about the duel result, it seems rather silly to me that you would go and assume such. Note that (almost) no one else has mentioned no-duel results on thread. Gee I wonder why? Maybe because no one is supposed to talk about them! Besides that, saying that you are barred from talking about something on-thread is pretty much akin to re-telling what PS has told you in a PM, and you're not supposed to do that either!

I have no idea how many did duel for no result and I don't want to know either. I'm however not the only one who interpreted the rules this way. In fact, I followed your rules to the letter. It is not my responsibility to assume the existance of rules I have not been made aware of, nor is it my responsibility to speculate on the purpose of the limitations given to me. I was told I could not reveal the result of my duel and I did not. I made a post that I felt was well within the boundries of the rules and though you'd perhaps like this not to be the case, that does not make it any less true.

Now, perhaps there was some sort of clear implication that I missed. I'm not a native speaker after all and it would not be the first time I miss nuances to the english language, but I do not feel that I should be expected to either. The rule was clear and I followed it to the best of my ability.

If you feel that my comment broke the rules in regards to quoting posts from PS then our interpretations of that rule differs substansially. It is however your game and if you decide to mod-kill me for that then that naturally is your choice.

Well I'm not going to modkill you, because as you say you didn't technically go against what I said. That being said, if I didn't want you revealing the no-duel result because doing so would have some effect, I would've thought it'd be evident that revealing that you can't reveal the result would still have that same effect and thus shouldn't be done.
Anyways, you'll live... but don't do it again. Also I may have to arrange some sort of flogging for you...

*sigh* .. Sorry, it's been a long day and I've been wrestling with a case that's on my deks because the people working at the local offices are incompetent. I guess I've taken it out on you somewhat. If it makes you feel better, it was very teraputic.

Not being able to say anything easily puts my head on the chopping block, so it never occured to me I had to keep it out of my posts completly. I basically can't talk to people who ask me about my duel.

Ah well, I'll refrain from refering to it. I'll just have to lie out of my ass I guess.

Don't worry too much about it, the duel mechanic has rather screwed this game up. I knew a few hours after the game started what is needed to fix it, but that won't come until a later game (if any). Unfortunately, the duel mechanic was never supposed to overshadow the lynches and NAs this much... also, no one is going to realize that I'm porting actions over from the previous game (such as you inherited Dong Zhuo's power from last, etc).

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I would have thought that people would realize that while the concept of Dueling is cool. It mainly only benefits the scum and the scum hunter. Scum are still going to reveal that they dueled so and so and that there was no duel or what not and so there won't be a sure fire way to PI people. The scum hunter isn't going to want to reveal that he is in fact the scum hunter and the only person who can't die via duels unless his ass is on the chopping block. From my view point as an inno I didn't want to duel anyone. As I assume that it will really do me little good any way. Easier to play it as a normal game and let the hunter try to find the scum via dueling people himself then get every thing confused by entering the dueling fray.


But I died after 3 posts so I am not bitter at all....

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sorrit/morgy:

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I quite enjoy the concept of dueling, but I think perhaps more risks and less gain would be beneficial, but it's hard to see that before it's tried out in a game.

Also, I didn't play last game so I wouldn't know

anyways, I've got to go, so my provisional is to give Olar Ethil a heal.

okay


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USE MY HEALING CATAPULTS ON GAMELON PLEASE!

TY D'REK.

THERE"S NO NEED TO YELL!!!

SORRY I HIT MY BILLY MAYS KEY AND IT WON'T TURN OFF!

I"M ACTUALLY HOLDING DOWN SHIFT THIS WHOLE TIME!!!

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Vengeance, on Aug 20 2009, 09:47 AM, said:

I would have thought that people would realize that while the concept of Dueling is cool. It mainly only benefits the scum and the scum hunter. Scum are still going to reveal that they dueled so and so and that there was no duel or what not and so there won't be a sure fire way to PI people. The scum hunter isn't going to want to reveal that he is in fact the scum hunter and the only person who can't die via duels unless his ass is on the chopping block. From my view point as an inno I didn't want to duel anyone. As I assume that it will really do me little good any way. Easier to play it as a normal game and let the hunter try to find the scum via dueling people himself then get every thing confused by entering the dueling fray.


But I died after 3 posts so I am not bitter at all....

of course not . Yeah, I definitely think the rule of not talking about duels on-thread would've made the scum-hunter part work a lot better and reduced the quantity of duels overall. Or something like that.

[Path-Shaper]

Msg to karat/stalker the symp-become-killer:

PS said:

Lu Bu is dead, and as his symp you now inherit his role. You're still Diao Chan, but you no longer find/CF as town. Also you have a kill usable each night, including tonight if you can get an action PM in to me in 6 hours. Unfortunately you do not inherit Lu Bu's awesometastic duelling skills and will still have the same duel results you would get from when you were a symp (whatever those were ).

Dunno if he'll manage to get online in time or not, I don't know what time zone he is...

[alt146]

eh feck, the two people I considered framing (Karat and Arthas) WERE BOTH ON MY SIDE. Crap, I hope I didnt get Ment killed out of WIFOM. Doesnt really matter, there's no way scum can win this the way things are going.

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alt146, on Aug 20 2009, 10:03 AM, said:

eh feck, the two people I considered framing (Karat and Arthas) WERE BOTH ON MY SIDE. Crap, I hope I didnt get Ment killed out of WIFOM. Doesnt really matter, there's no way scum can win this the way things are going.

If Grief comes on and follows Obdi's advice to find Ment, then yeah you'll be pretty boned, all right...

[Vengeance]

alt146, on Aug 20 2009, 09:03 AM, said:

eh feck, the two people I considered framing (Karat and Arthas) WERE BOTH ON MY SIDE. Crap, I hope I didnt get Ment killed out of WIFOM. Doesnt really matter, there's no way scum can win this the way things are going.

My heart breaks for you...

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karat/stalker:

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Lu Bu is dead, and as his symp you now inherit his role. You're still Diao Chan, but you no longer find/CF as town. Also you have a kill usable each night, including tonight if you can get an action PM in to me in 6 hours. Unfortunately you do not inherit Lu Bu's awesometastic duelling skills and will still have the same duel results you would get from when you were a symp (whatever those were ).

Ok that sucks, sorry I was asleep Alt though I'm not sure how much help I would have been. According to the beginning of the game, most cases of a town dueling a town result in no duel. However, Okaros and Eloth's ended in retreat, so I'm guessing those two aren't just RI. Of the two Okaros seems more likely to be healed... so

Kill Eloth.

noted.

[alt146]

Path-Shaper, on Aug 20 2009, 05:15 PM, said:

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Lu Bu is dead, and as his symp you now inherit his role. You're still Diao Chan, but you no longer find/CF as town. Also you have a kill usable each night, including tonight if you can get an action PM in to me in 6 hours. Unfortunately you do not inherit Lu Bu's awesometastic duelling skills and will still have the same duel results you would get from when you were a symp (whatever those were ).

Ok that sucks, sorry I was asleep Alt though I'm not sure how much help I would have been. According to the beginning of the game, most cases of a town dueling a town result in no duel. However, Okaros and Eloth's ended in retreat, so I'm guessing those two aren't just RI. Of the two Okaros seems more likely to be healed... so

Kill Eloth.

noted.

Hehe, that's exactly what I thought too let's hope he fares a bit better than I did.

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Olar Ethil, on Aug 20 2009, 04:53 PM, said:

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Ampelas (Alt146) is dead. He was Lu Bu of Dong Zhuo's forces.

Thumbs UP. Hinter did a great job today, makes up for last game!

Like I said, if you DISCOURAGE dueling, you are probably scum.

Cheeky sod!

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I would like to find Kalse please.

noted.

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so night actions are:

atrahal (yuan shao) -> heal gamelon
sorrit (yuan shu) -> give Olar a 1-time heal
anomand (cao cao) -> find Kalse

anthras (dong zhuo) -> give heal to Kalse
karat (diao chan) -> kill Eloth

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Obdi/atrahal gets himself killed:

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DUEL ANTHRAS PLEASE, I'M GOING TO CUT HIM DOWN LIKE IM ANTHRAX.

Yes, that was stupid. W/e

mmmk, results on-thread in a bit

[alt146]

Egh, the dream is over - duel against anthras... If Karat survives the day I say scum win

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sent to Ment/DZ: "Li Jue is now dead. Guo Si is dead from yesterday, so you only have Fan Chou. As such you cannot send guard abilities anymore, just heals."

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alt146, on Aug 20 2009, 01:49 PM, said:

Egh, the dream is over - duel against anthras... If Karat survives the day I say scum win

yeah they will lynch him for sure. From scum perspective, hopefully a townie or 2 will be foolish enough to duel him instead of lynch and die some more.

[Obdigore]

If they don't hang Anthras now I swear to god...