[Emurlahn]

morning, gents and ladies.

Why what a talkative bunch we have and most of it heated discussion.

@tellan - it was i who put forward the suggestion to reveal if infected as when the game began morgoth had not updated the opening post witht he order of night actions and so it was valid to assume the order may have been favourable. Someone claimed this was not the case but i have a pm stating the order and that it had been amended sent to me after i posted the strategy in thread by a smirking norwegian too impressed with himself.

@eloth - admirable, but perhaps slightly misguided. Despite some restrictions on the cult the fact remains that only one player is immune from the cult in this game whereas in most cult games the scum and select town players are exempt and the cult has to work hard to recruit players, basing it on luck. In this game with only one player immune it is highly likely that the cult will infect every single night.

@rashan - voting for night even as a joke is all fair and well, but you prefaced it with a strategy to supposedly catch the cult when it had absolutley no chance of success. The fact that it would never have garnered the required votes to take effect is irrelevant.

@mockra - Early game you made comments ont he rules and how the setup was pictured in your mind but you consistently make errors about how the game is being run. I am confused as to why someone with so many mechanics opinions has failed to even pick up the most clearly stated points of how this game is working.

Mich as i dislike voting for night and i am suspicious of anyone doing it, four votes at this stage with so much discussion going on seems slightly suspicious.

4 votes for Rashan: ( Tellan, Galain, Omtose, Thyrllan )
3 votes for Thyrllan: ( Karatallid, Hood's Path, ampelas )

of those four i agree with ampelas' take (HERE) on tellan to a greater degree than i do the case (or should it be called reaction) to rashan.

vote tellan

edit - removed letters from below body of main text.

This post has been edited by Emurlahn: 23 June 2009 - 07:35 AM

[Tapper]

Because Morgy likes to make others do the work:

It is Day 1. 8 hours and 57 minutes remaining

21 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Kaschan, Korlat, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Serc, Silanah, Tellan, Thyrllan

11 votes to lynch, 11 votes to go to night

1 vote for Galain: ( Rashan )
4 votes for Tellan: ( Liosan, Ampelas, Barghast, Emurlahn )
1 vote for Hood's Path: ( Silanah )
1 vote for Eloth: ( Serc )
1 vote for Liosan: ( D'riss )
4 votes for Rashan: ( Tellan, Galain, Omtose, Thyrllan )
2 votes for Thyrllan: ( Karatallid, Hood's Path )

Players not voted: Eloth, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Kaschan, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra

[Gamelon]

Wheeew...long catch up session but there is tons of info and i like it.

My initial reaction while catching up and especially the last few pages is that Tellan and Thyrlan could be the DG and infected.
Ampelas makes an excellent point about tellans reaction to the infect reveal but i will point out that he is not the only one that has been against it. I do feel that Thyr seemed to reluctantly symp tellan in an earlier post. Almost like he was berating him for playing the way he is.

Thyrllan, on Jun 22 2009, 10:25 PM, said:

k, well those last few pages were a ton of back and forth between a bunch of ppl

for the tellann issue, I think hes right in his assessments of the game and right that there probly wont be an inf reveal, but it still sounds like hes discourging it, which is wrong. it might be unlikely, but on the offchance that it could hapen dont discourage it cause if it does happen thats good for us!

This post is the classic post between two people who are scum off thread. He defends tellan....but he also berates him and slightly accuses him of something. Its a defense post in wich he also tries to distance himself from the player in case he gets lynched.

So i would lynch either tellan or Thyr at this point.

They could be scum or DG with that kind of half symp, half berating remark.

[Eloth]

Hmm, Tellan and HP are both players who caught my eye a little last (RL) night, I will have to do a reread to find specifics. Hopefully I will have time a little bit later.

@Emur - the main differences between the DG and a normal cult is that their is no unity of purpose within the DG's faction. The DG will definitely be a bigger threat late game when he can forcefully command a large voting block. Even at that point though there's nothing forcing the infected to play for a DG win, and very little info for them to use if they decide to do so. Noone knows who the DG is, unless they manage to get upgraded to fully-fledged symp, so the DG has noone to help keep him alive the way the killers do. The killers will likely be hunting the DG - even if they somehow all became infected they can still do so in the hopes of returning to their original faction. Any vigs could likely do the same thing. Having a decoder helps a little too, but he will likely only be useful when there are a larger number of infected and a better chance of successfully curing someone.

So yeah, he is a threat and can increase his numbers pretty reliably, but I have seen more powerful cult mechanics.

[Mockra]

Well I find merit in Amp's post on Tellan though I also did say that the infected would most likely not reveal..
I would probabbly be more inclined to vote for Tellan now as Rashan's vote was a mistake but with some sort of good intention I think...
As for now I will place a vote on Tellan as it seems to be better than a Rashan case
Vote Tellan

[Karatallid]

Rashan, on Jun 23 2009, 08:04 AM, said:

Can you please be a bit more specific about these supposed contradictions? I also removed my vote for night like 6 hours ago. It was never a serious vote in the first place and it had no hope of ever being voted by 2 people let alone the 11 necessary to have it come to pass. If peoples reason to lynch me are based soley on the fact that I voted night then they are a bunch of idiots.

vote galain

for being a bit too overly zelous in voting to lynch me. I should put my vote in for someone that has contributed nothing but fluff to the discussion but I'm tired and I'm a bit suspious about how strongly galain reacted to my vote.

Rashan doesn't think anyone was ever likely to follow him in voting for night, but doesn't think anyone will find it suspicious?

And then places an OMGUS vote on Galain.

Remove vote

Vote Rashan

[Karatallid]

I could vote for Tellan, also, mainly because of strong disagreement. I think the infected should definitely reveal.

The arguments against are that the DG might get lynched today (unlikely, really), or that there might not be a healer (again, I think unlikely). The odds are in the infected's favour, IMO.

And if the infected doesn't reveal, they have to hope for a fluke heal (unlikely), or hope to survive to the end helping the DG win (unlikely - And if the infected dies, they lose, even if the DG wins). It would take a particularly stupid player to hope for either of these, particularly the latter.

So yeah, the infected should reveal. Whoever you are, please come out. But at the end of the day, it's up to you.

[Korlat]

Apologies all. I got started reading up, but RL intruded.

Will have slightly more time tomorrow..I hope.

I note it is even on Tellan and Rashan. Interesting scatter of other votes. Only 6 hours to deadline, and I won't be back for that, so I'll throw out a vote -

Vote Tellan

At this point, for no reason other than random chance, I'd vote for either...day one, as well, so our hopes of success are based purely on guesswork, in any case.

Night all...promise to be on more tomorrow.

[D'riss]

Well, theres around 7 hours left, and TBH I could go either way,both have pretty strong points against them, but Rashan's case is that he voted night. Tellan's IMO is the best of the 2, so I will

Remove Vote Vote Tellan

I'll be back on in a while, well before time out, if I need to switch.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 6 hours and 37 minutes remaining

21 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Kaschan, Korlat, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Serc, Silanah, Tellan, Thyrllan

11 votes to lynch, 11 votes to go to night

1 vote for Galain: ( Rashan )
7 votes for Tellan: ( Liosan, Ampelas, Barghast, Emurlahn, Mockra, Korlat, D'riss )
1 vote for Hood's Path: ( Silanah )
1 vote for Eloth: ( Serc )
5 votes for Rashan: ( Tellan, Galain, Omtose, Thyrllan, Karatallid )
1 vote for Thyrllan: (Hood's Path )

Players not voted: Eloth, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Kaschan, Meanas,

[Gamelon]

Ill be around till just before deadline, im gonna withhold my vote and see what others have to say first.

While tellan is a decent lynch i think Thyr would be better. If tellan does turn out to be infected thyr would be my next option for sure.

[Emurlahn]

thats a pretty even split of votes. I do not think we need rush into the lynch, l-4 at six hours is a reasonable number for day 1.

[Emurlahn]

Can you work up a thyrllan case, Gamelon? Also put your vote down if you think its the best one for today

[Gamelon]

The case on thyr is pretty similar to that of tellan really. Just that Thyr seemed to attempt to symp tellan ever so slightly. Ive posted the quote a few posts back, To me thats a classic example of someone that could be symping someone else but throwing in some distancing in case the guy gets lynched.

[Karatallid]

Gamelon, on Jun 23 2009, 11:45 AM, said:

While tellan is a decent lynch i think Thyr would be better. If tellan does turn out to be infected thyr would be my next option for sure.

Gamelon, on Jun 23 2009, 12:16 PM, said:

The case on thyr is pretty similar to that of tellan really. Just that Thyr seemed to attempt to symp tellan ever so slightly. Ive posted the quote a few posts back, To me thats a classic example of someone that could be symping someone else but throwing in some distancing in case the guy gets lynched.

If you think that Thyr may be symping Tellan, why do you prefer to lynch Thyr? If you think they're "thowing in some distancing" then I assume you don't think it's fake-symping.

[Gamelon]

Hmmm...went through thyrs posts, and the only one that irked me was the one i quoted earlier.

I think i might have gotten him mixed up with tellan...is telas playing?

[Gamelon]

Karatallid, on Jun 23 2009, 07:25 AM, said:

Gamelon, on Jun 23 2009, 11:45 AM, said:

While tellan is a decent lynch i think Thyr would be better. If tellan does turn out to be infected thyr would be my next option for sure.

Gamelon, on Jun 23 2009, 12:16 PM, said:

The case on thyr is pretty similar to that of tellan really. Just that Thyr seemed to attempt to symp tellan ever so slightly. Ive posted the quote a few posts back, To me thats a classic example of someone that could be symping someone else but throwing in some distancing in case the guy gets lynched.

If you think that Thyr may be symping Tellan, why do you prefer to lynch Thyr? If you think they're "thowing in some distancing" then I assume you don't think it's fake-symping.

because the DG knows the infected but the infected dont know the DG.

Its not a blatant symping, he almost is berating tellan but there is a subtle symp in there too.
It stuck out to me... like a leader sticking up ever so slightly for a recruit.

[Karatallid]

Gamelon, on Jun 23 2009, 12:31 PM, said:

Karatallid, on Jun 23 2009, 07:25 AM, said:

Gamelon, on Jun 23 2009, 11:45 AM, said:

While tellan is a decent lynch i think Thyr would be better. If tellan does turn out to be infected thyr would be my next option for sure.

Gamelon, on Jun 23 2009, 12:16 PM, said:

The case on thyr is pretty similar to that of tellan really. Just that Thyr seemed to attempt to symp tellan ever so slightly. Ive posted the quote a few posts back, To me thats a classic example of someone that could be symping someone else but throwing in some distancing in case the guy gets lynched.

If you think that Thyr may be symping Tellan, why do you prefer to lynch Thyr? If you think they're "thowing in some distancing" then I assume you don't think it's fake-symping.

because the DG knows the infected but the infected dont know the DG.

Its not a blatant symping, he almost is berating tellan but there is a subtle symp in there too.
It stuck out to me... like a leader sticking up ever so slightly for a recruit.

Ahhh, i'm with you now.

[Gamelon]

In retrospect tellan is the better lynch i suppose, its only the one statement by thyr that caught my eye, other than that thyr has been ok...ive just gotten them both mixed up together....bloody T names

[Karatallid]

Gamelon, on Jun 23 2009, 12:38 PM, said:

bloody T names

Nearly as bad as the K's.