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Just wanna add to your summary there Lio, for myself -> did not get modkilled after 41 hours.
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Posted 02 June 2009 - 06:36 PM
i'm gonna try to recap
Kesso--claims paranoid finder. oddities in his behaviour--didn't reveal after the first scum find. or the second one. Gave 5 CF names on Day 4.
on his train:
Shadow- claims RI, claims silenced day 2. revealed day 4 NOTE: no one else has claimed silenced, before or after. EDIT: supporting evidence--did not get modkilled after 41 hour absence /edit
Ampelas: keeps his nose clean. possible really weak evidence--Sil symping him day 1.
Tellan: low poster extraordinaire, comes on, votes Kesso, possibly trying to drail the Shadow train. Claims to have a "vig-giving power", used on nights 2 (on a dead person -- Emurlahn?) and once on night 3--that person still lives.
on Shadow's train
Kesso
Ruse-claims BP-used-up-turned-guard. Suggests that he had something to do with Kesso's paranoia.
HP-really, an unknown, hard to say anything about him one way or the other
not voting yet
Mockra-accused of playing "scummy" a la D'riss
Me- a paragon of innocence.
Kesso--claims paranoid finder. oddities in his behaviour--didn't reveal after the first scum find. or the second one. Gave 5 CF names on Day 4.
on his train:
Shadow- claims RI, claims silenced day 2. revealed day 4 NOTE: no one else has claimed silenced, before or after. EDIT: supporting evidence--did not get modkilled after 41 hour absence /edit
Ampelas: keeps his nose clean. possible really weak evidence--Sil symping him day 1.
Tellan: low poster extraordinaire, comes on, votes Kesso, possibly trying to drail the Shadow train. Claims to have a "vig-giving power", used on nights 2 (on a dead person -- Emurlahn?) and once on night 3--that person still lives.
on Shadow's train
Kesso
Ruse-claims BP-used-up-turned-guard. Suggests that he had something to do with Kesso's paranoia.
HP-really, an unknown, hard to say anything about him one way or the other
not voting yet
Mockra-accused of playing "scummy" a la D'riss
Me- a paragon of innocence.
This post has been edited by Liosan: 02 June 2009 - 06:37 PM
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Posted 02 June 2009 - 06:38 PM
Tellan, I agree that Kesso is acting just as if not more shady than Shadow. I noticed the symp-like play on Fener yesterday, too.
But right now I'm acting from the horrible position Ruse put us in. It's a matter of contingencies:
If we lynch Shadow and he comes up scum, well, good for us.
If we lynch Shadow and he comes up inno, then Kesso is the most likely target for scum and Ruse is supposedly blocking him, so I'd still call it an acceptable day as it seems likely there'd be only 1 night kill with one of the killers blocked. If both Kesso and Ruse are bullshitting us, I still don't see how they can win without going through another day and they would have both exposed themselves, so we just knock them down one after the other. Of course, there could be three scum left, but I think that's a pretty hopeless situation no matter what.
However,
If we lynch Kesso and he comes up scum, okay, still good for us.
If we lynch Kesso and he comes up inno, nobody is blocking shit, so we get 2 more night kills. Sure, Shadow is a definite target for scum, but what about the next scum? I'm not ready to call Amp the other scum and we wouldn't know anything about the veracity of Ruse's reveal either, so I think we'd be looking at a much worse situation
giant crosspost I'm sure, as I'm slow at typing up this kind of shit
But right now I'm acting from the horrible position Ruse put us in. It's a matter of contingencies:
If we lynch Shadow and he comes up scum, well, good for us.
If we lynch Shadow and he comes up inno, then Kesso is the most likely target for scum and Ruse is supposedly blocking him, so I'd still call it an acceptable day as it seems likely there'd be only 1 night kill with one of the killers blocked. If both Kesso and Ruse are bullshitting us, I still don't see how they can win without going through another day and they would have both exposed themselves, so we just knock them down one after the other. Of course, there could be three scum left, but I think that's a pretty hopeless situation no matter what.
However,
If we lynch Kesso and he comes up scum, okay, still good for us.
If we lynch Kesso and he comes up inno, nobody is blocking shit, so we get 2 more night kills. Sure, Shadow is a definite target for scum, but what about the next scum? I'm not ready to call Amp the other scum and we wouldn't know anything about the veracity of Ruse's reveal either, so I think we'd be looking at a much worse situation
giant crosspost I'm sure, as I'm slow at typing up this kind of shit
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Posted 02 June 2009 - 06:41 PM
Okay Tellan, good points.
1st point: You have the benefit of knowing the result as you're reading the thread. I wasn't even here when D'riss revealed, and before that it seemed incredibly suspicious that 2 killers would be so obvious as to never talk to or mention each other through 3 full cycles. Remember that one of those cycles timed out and the other 2 were cut extremely close, so that's like 4 or 5 real days. I simply couldn't imagine Meanas leaving his partner out to dry like that. And the fact I wasn't here after D'riss' reveal made it impossible for me to say anyhing but, Wow good job wonder if Fener was being honest.
2nd point: No I didn't think I was a likely target. After all, I hadn't been mentioned by Mockra
Seriously though, there is no way to know for sure and instead of guaranteeing myself death by revealing finder for only one scum, or risking a lynch backfire by pushing a case with no evidence, I let it slide figuring I'd nail him later when more scum were out.
3rd point: I've never as finder hit scum on day one. Neither have I done it twice in a row out of a starting pool of 17 unknowns. Keeping in mind the TMDI and the fact that the OP specified role tweaks and shit, I began to suspect I may be a fucked up finder. Turns out I'm right. Thus I began playing with RI mindset, not ignoring my finds, but not trusting them either, and started to put my neck out on the line a little more.
Now, I've said all this before, but here it is in a concise little package for you.
1st point: You have the benefit of knowing the result as you're reading the thread. I wasn't even here when D'riss revealed, and before that it seemed incredibly suspicious that 2 killers would be so obvious as to never talk to or mention each other through 3 full cycles. Remember that one of those cycles timed out and the other 2 were cut extremely close, so that's like 4 or 5 real days. I simply couldn't imagine Meanas leaving his partner out to dry like that. And the fact I wasn't here after D'riss' reveal made it impossible for me to say anyhing but, Wow good job wonder if Fener was being honest.
2nd point: No I didn't think I was a likely target. After all, I hadn't been mentioned by Mockra
Seriously though, there is no way to know for sure and instead of guaranteeing myself death by revealing finder for only one scum, or risking a lynch backfire by pushing a case with no evidence, I let it slide figuring I'd nail him later when more scum were out. 3rd point: I've never as finder hit scum on day one. Neither have I done it twice in a row out of a starting pool of 17 unknowns. Keeping in mind the TMDI and the fact that the OP specified role tweaks and shit, I began to suspect I may be a fucked up finder. Turns out I'm right. Thus I began playing with RI mindset, not ignoring my finds, but not trusting them either, and started to put my neck out on the line a little more.
Now, I've said all this before, but here it is in a concise little package for you.
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Posted 02 June 2009 - 06:42 PM
Hood's Path, on Jun 2 2009, 02:38 PM, said:
Tellan, I agree that Kesso is acting just as if not more shady than Shadow. I noticed the symp-like play on Fener yesterday, too.
But right now I'm acting from the horrible position Ruse put us in. It's a matter of contingencies:
If we lynch Shadow and he comes up scum, well, good for us.
If we lynch Shadow and he comes up inno, then Kesso is the most likely target for scum and Ruse is supposedly blocking him, so I'd still call it an acceptable day as it seems likely there'd be only 1 night kill with one of the killers blocked. If both Kesso and Ruse are bullshitting us, I still don't see how they can win without going through another day and they would have both exposed themselves, so we just knock them down one after the other. Of course, there could be three scum left, but I think that's a pretty hopeless situation no matter what.
However,
If we lynch Kesso and he comes up scum, okay, still good for us.
If we lynch Kesso and he comes up inno, nobody is blocking shit, so we get 2 more night kills. Sure, Shadow is a definite target for scum, but what about the next scum? I'm not ready to call Amp the other scum and we wouldn't know anything about the veracity of Ruse's reveal either, so I think we'd be looking at a much worse situation
giant crosspost I'm sure, as I'm slow at typing up this kind of shit
But right now I'm acting from the horrible position Ruse put us in. It's a matter of contingencies:
If we lynch Shadow and he comes up scum, well, good for us.
If we lynch Shadow and he comes up inno, then Kesso is the most likely target for scum and Ruse is supposedly blocking him, so I'd still call it an acceptable day as it seems likely there'd be only 1 night kill with one of the killers blocked. If both Kesso and Ruse are bullshitting us, I still don't see how they can win without going through another day and they would have both exposed themselves, so we just knock them down one after the other. Of course, there could be three scum left, but I think that's a pretty hopeless situation no matter what.
However,
If we lynch Kesso and he comes up scum, okay, still good for us.
If we lynch Kesso and he comes up inno, nobody is blocking shit, so we get 2 more night kills. Sure, Shadow is a definite target for scum, but what about the next scum? I'm not ready to call Amp the other scum and we wouldn't know anything about the veracity of Ruse's reveal either, so I think we'd be looking at a much worse situation
giant crosspost I'm sure, as I'm slow at typing up this kind of shit
Damn you and your making so much sense!
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Posted 02 June 2009 - 06:48 PM
Shadow, on Jun 2 2009, 02:42 PM, said:
Hood's Path, on Jun 2 2009, 02:38 PM, said:
Tellan, I agree that Kesso is acting just as if not more shady than Shadow. I noticed the symp-like play on Fener yesterday, too.
But right now I'm acting from the horrible position Ruse put us in. It's a matter of contingencies:
If we lynch Shadow and he comes up scum, well, good for us.
If we lynch Shadow and he comes up inno, then Kesso is the most likely target for scum and Ruse is supposedly blocking him, so I'd still call it an acceptable day as it seems likely there'd be only 1 night kill with one of the killers blocked. If both Kesso and Ruse are bullshitting us, I still don't see how they can win without going through another day and they would have both exposed themselves, so we just knock them down one after the other. Of course, there could be three scum left, but I think that's a pretty hopeless situation no matter what.
However,
If we lynch Kesso and he comes up scum, okay, still good for us.
If we lynch Kesso and he comes up inno, nobody is blocking shit, so we get 2 more night kills. Sure, Shadow is a definite target for scum, but what about the next scum? I'm not ready to call Amp the other scum and we wouldn't know anything about the veracity of Ruse's reveal either, so I think we'd be looking at a much worse situation
giant crosspost I'm sure, as I'm slow at typing up this kind of shit
But right now I'm acting from the horrible position Ruse put us in. It's a matter of contingencies:
If we lynch Shadow and he comes up scum, well, good for us.
If we lynch Shadow and he comes up inno, then Kesso is the most likely target for scum and Ruse is supposedly blocking him, so I'd still call it an acceptable day as it seems likely there'd be only 1 night kill with one of the killers blocked. If both Kesso and Ruse are bullshitting us, I still don't see how they can win without going through another day and they would have both exposed themselves, so we just knock them down one after the other. Of course, there could be three scum left, but I think that's a pretty hopeless situation no matter what.
However,
If we lynch Kesso and he comes up scum, okay, still good for us.
If we lynch Kesso and he comes up inno, nobody is blocking shit, so we get 2 more night kills. Sure, Shadow is a definite target for scum, but what about the next scum? I'm not ready to call Amp the other scum and we wouldn't know anything about the veracity of Ruse's reveal either, so I think we'd be looking at a much worse situation
giant crosspost I'm sure, as I'm slow at typing up this kind of shit
Damn you and your making so much sense!
I don't think its so bad, I get another day to prove my innocence.
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Posted 02 June 2009 - 06:58 PM
All right, I've said my piece on who I think is a better lynch candidate. It looks like we're waiting until deadline (why do I get the feeling Ruse isn't going to show up?), so I'm gonna go try to get some work done.
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Posted 02 June 2009 - 07:58 PM
actually, HP, your speech as to who is a better candidate only applies provided Ruse can't change his prov.
You are hedging our bets, and that's smart, but I'm still not sure as to which of the two you actually find more suspicious.
You are hedging our bets, and that's smart, but I'm still not sure as to which of the two you actually find more suspicious.
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Posted 02 June 2009 - 08:03 PM
It is Day 5. 5 hours and 34 minutes remaining
8 Players still alive: Ampelas, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Liosan, Mockra, Ruse, Shadow, Tellan
5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night
3 votes for Shadow: ( Ruse, Kessobahn, Hood's Path )
3 votes for Kessobahn: ( Ampelas, Shadow, Tellan )
Players not voted: Liosan, Mockra
This mod is going to be leaving in about 10 minutes....Hopefully one of the other guys will be able to get on till then you all know what to do if you decide to do something...
Vengeance
8 Players still alive: Ampelas, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Liosan, Mockra, Ruse, Shadow, Tellan
5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night
3 votes for Shadow: ( Ruse, Kessobahn, Hood's Path )
3 votes for Kessobahn: ( Ampelas, Shadow, Tellan )
Players not voted: Liosan, Mockra
This mod is going to be leaving in about 10 minutes....Hopefully one of the other guys will be able to get on till then you all know what to do if you decide to do something...
Vengeance
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 02 June 2009 - 08:48 PM
Liosan, on Jun 2 2009, 12:58 PM, said:
actually, HP, your speech as to who is a better candidate only applies provided Ruse can't change his prov.
You are hedging our bets, and that's smart, but I'm still not sure as to which of the two you actually find more suspicious.
You are hedging our bets, and that's smart, but I'm still not sure as to which of the two you actually find more suspicious.
To be honest, I am more suspicious of Kesso, and I would LOVE if Ruse came back and changed his provisional to include contingencies to guard Shadow. I got the distinct impression from him that that wasn't going to happen, but I'm cool to wait.
Though I can't shake the feeling that there are three scum out there (Kesso, Ruse and another) and Ruse is just pushing us get one more bad lynch...
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Posted 02 June 2009 - 09:22 PM
Right, well the situation is relatively unchanged and I've got a concert tonight so I'll either see ya later this evening, or else I won't cause I'll be lynched (or NK'd, I guess its always possible). Obviously if Ruse gets back I'm 100% in favour of him guarding me and lynching Kesso! Toodles!
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Posted 02 June 2009 - 09:41 PM
Liosan, on Jun 2 2009, 05:24 PM, said:
erm... wouldn't that mean we should be lynching Ruse then?
Well, I don't think it would be a bad idea for tomorrow. He's created WIFOM city by announcing his guard. If he'd waited until tomorrow to reveal he could have told us what the result of his guard was. This way was just plain stupid.
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Posted 02 June 2009 - 09:48 PM
Hood's Path, on Jun 2 2009, 03:48 PM, said:
Liosan, on Jun 2 2009, 12:58 PM, said:
actually, HP, your speech as to who is a better candidate only applies provided Ruse can't change his prov.
You are hedging our bets, and that's smart, but I'm still not sure as to which of the two you actually find more suspicious.
You are hedging our bets, and that's smart, but I'm still not sure as to which of the two you actually find more suspicious.
To be honest, I am more suspicious of Kesso, and I would LOVE if Ruse came back and changed his provisional to include contingencies to guard Shadow. I got the distinct impression from him that that wasn't going to happen, but I'm cool to wait.
Though I can't shake the feeling that there are three scum out there (Kesso, Ruse and another) and Ruse is just pushing us get one more bad lynch...
since you think kesso is the best choice, I think you need to switch - the Ruse situation is unfortunate, but we really need the lynch.
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Posted 02 June 2009 - 09:57 PM
Ampelas, on Jun 2 2009, 05:48 PM, said:
Hood's Path, on Jun 2 2009, 03:48 PM, said:
Liosan, on Jun 2 2009, 12:58 PM, said:
actually, HP, your speech as to who is a better candidate only applies provided Ruse can't change his prov.
You are hedging our bets, and that's smart, but I'm still not sure as to which of the two you actually find more suspicious.
You are hedging our bets, and that's smart, but I'm still not sure as to which of the two you actually find more suspicious.
To be honest, I am more suspicious of Kesso, and I would LOVE if Ruse came back and changed his provisional to include contingencies to guard Shadow. I got the distinct impression from him that that wasn't going to happen, but I'm cool to wait.
Though I can't shake the feeling that there are three scum out there (Kesso, Ruse and another) and Ruse is just pushing us get one more bad lynch...
since you think kesso is the best choice, I think you need to switch - the Ruse situation is unfortunate, but we really need the lynch.
But I'm not the best choice, I'm really the worst choice. If the killers are indeed seperate they'll be doing their damndest to hit revealed innos, like me.
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Posted 02 June 2009 - 11:13 PM
It is Day 5. 2 hours and 23 minutes remaining
8 Players still alive: Ampelas, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Liosan, Mockra, Ruse, Shadow, Tellan
5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night
3 votes for Shadow: ( Ruse, Kessobahn, Hood's Path )
3 votes for Kessobahn: ( Ampelas, Shadow, Tellan )
Players not voted: Liosan, Mockra
8 Players still alive: Ampelas, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Liosan, Mockra, Ruse, Shadow, Tellan
5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night
3 votes for Shadow: ( Ruse, Kessobahn, Hood's Path )
3 votes for Kessobahn: ( Ampelas, Shadow, Tellan )
Players not voted: Liosan, Mockra
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 02 June 2009 - 11:28 PM
Ampelas, on Jun 2 2009, 05:48 PM, said:
Hood's Path, on Jun 2 2009, 03:48 PM, said:
Liosan, on Jun 2 2009, 12:58 PM, said:
actually, HP, your speech as to who is a better candidate only applies provided Ruse can't change his prov.
You are hedging our bets, and that's smart, but I'm still not sure as to which of the two you actually find more suspicious.
You are hedging our bets, and that's smart, but I'm still not sure as to which of the two you actually find more suspicious.
To be honest, I am more suspicious of Kesso, and I would LOVE if Ruse came back and changed his provisional to include contingencies to guard Shadow. I got the distinct impression from him that that wasn't going to happen, but I'm cool to wait.
Though I can't shake the feeling that there are three scum out there (Kesso, Ruse and another) and Ruse is just pushing us get one more bad lynch...
since you think kesso is the best choice, I think you need to switch - the Ruse situation is unfortunate, but we really need the lynch.
?
what happened to the "I'm willing to switch to Shadow?"
anyhow, there's still mockra who may show up.
