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Mafia 46 - Monastery Murders Game Thread

#1121 User is offline   Tellan 

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 05:00 PM

View PostShadow, on Jun 2 2009, 06:54 PM, said:

View PostTellan, on Jun 2 2009, 12:47 PM, said:

- I have not been silenced at any point. Where I was staying I was supposed to have internet access, but didn't. I've since moved to a new place. Sorry everyone.

- About ten pages. Starting as soon as I finish this post. Anything interesting happen?

- Blue?


Oh yeah, don't mind my angriness, I'm about to get lynched (though I did just get lunched, yum) so I'm being somewhat bitter.

Anyhoo the game since you last checked in has been quite more interesting than the first few days. Two scum so far: Meanas (NK'd) and Fener (lynched). Plenty of reveals in the last few days, too. Many of them rather crazy (but not necessarily implausible).


I've got up to Meanas being vigged. And Fener was scum you say? Nice case by D'riss in that case! Carrying on...oh, how much time is left? Do I have enough to do a full read-through...or do I just vote for you now?

Joke joke!

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 05:06 PM

View PostShadow, on Jun 2 2009, 08:42 AM, said:

View PostTellan, on Jun 2 2009, 12:39 PM, said:

Hello? Am I still alive?


Well its about fucking time!

So, question the first: Have you been silenced at any point?

Question the second: How much reading have you got to do to catch up?

Question the third: What is your favourite color?!

Also needed:
Are you scum?
I think this is the most important question.

This game has turned toward the hopeful now that I know Tellan won't be modkilled. The numbers were looking pretty grim for a worst-case scenario (1 inno lynch, 1 inno modkill and 2 inno NKs = dead town), so I'm glad I don't have to worry about that anymore.

Unfortunately for Shadow, I think that makes his lynch an even safer bet at this point.

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 05:13 PM

View PostHood's Path, on Jun 2 2009, 01:06 PM, said:

View PostShadow, on Jun 2 2009, 08:42 AM, said:

View PostTellan, on Jun 2 2009, 12:39 PM, said:

Hello? Am I still alive?


Well its about fucking time!

So, question the first: Have you been silenced at any point?

Question the second: How much reading have you got to do to catch up?

Question the third: What is your favourite color?!

Also needed:
Are you scum?
I think this is the most important question.

This game has turned toward the hopeful now that I know Tellan won't be modkilled. The numbers were looking pretty grim for a worst-case scenario (1 inno lynch, 1 inno modkill and 2 inno NKs = dead town), so I'm glad I don't have to worry about that anymore.

Unfortunately for Shadow, I think that makes his lynch an even safer bet at this point.


It's cool, better an RI like me than a roled inno, though obviously I'd prefer a scum!

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 05:28 PM

you know, one thing I don't get
we are all pretty much assumingtwo independent killers now, right?
so, how do we know that Meanas wasn't just killed by another killer who didn't know who he was?

I mean, we're all happy to say "vig", but what proof of that do we actually have?

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 05:41 PM

View PostLiosan, on Jun 2 2009, 01:28 PM, said:

you know, one thing I don't get
we are all pretty much assumingtwo independent killers now, right?
so, how do we know that Meanas wasn't just killed by another killer who didn't know who he was?

I mean, we're all happy to say "vig", but what proof of that do we actually have?


None whatsoever.

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 05:55 PM

It would be hilarious if the killers killed each other, though. Maybe that was Fener's "ounce of truth" in his fake reveal: he was responsible for Meanas' death. Haha.

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 05:59 PM

Done with the re-read! Phew! Now to post my thoughts:

Cutting straight to the chase, I think Kessobahn's reveal is bullshit. Here's why:

View PostKessobahn, on May 31 2009, 09:23 PM, said:

View PostKorvalain, on May 31 2009, 03:16 PM, said:

True, but scum try to disassociate with each other so that taking one down, doesn't take them all down.


True, but that only works to a point, and roled innos do the same. For a pair to be effective yet remain inconspicuous there has to be some interaction. That's one reason why I don't buy the idea that Meanas and Fener were paired, because they never spoke to each other. It makes it too obvious. Its more likely that Meanas did this specifically to one person (Fener) who he picked at or near the beginning who would be singled out as an easy lynch after he died. If so, he's getting exactly the reaction he wanted.

Wow, a crosspost. In this game? Maybe conditions are improving.../wild hope


This post is from before D'riss revealed he'd found Fener to be scum just like Meanas. I got the strong feeling from this that Kesso was trying to make people look in other directions. As we later found out, Meanas and Fener were very much on the same team.


View PostKessobahn, on Jun 1 2009, 09:01 PM, said:

View PostHood's Path, on Jun 1 2009, 02:56 PM, said:

@Kesso: Is that the order you found them in? Shadow night 1, D'riss night 2, etc.?


Yes, that is. That's also why I was trying to pressure Shadow a little bit on day 2. At the time however, after my read of him there was nothing I could find to build a case on, and so I left it. I didn't want to reveal at that time, as even insane finders are good targets for killers.


So you just left someone who at the time you would have been convinced was scum go, after putting a 'little' pressure on them. That seems a very dangerous tactic for an inno finder. Did you not think at any point that you might be offed the next night, and no one would know your find of Shadow as 'scum' would be lost?


View PostKessobahn, on Jun 1 2009, 12:03 PM, said:

View PostLiosan, on Jun 1 2009, 02:59 PM, said:

@ Kesso
rofl
I know it's hard to believe, but it wasn't me. I haven't looked at the thread since i've last posted yesterday.

also, there's a huge difference--Insane finder can be just as useful, once you know he's insane.
Paranoid is... well, useless.


I've always just called it insane because its, frankly, shit insane to have a finder who only finds one result. And of course I wasn't told explicitly that I was a paranoid finder, I didn't find that out until night 2.


You wouldn't have found out on night 2 either. The only way you can absolutely confirm that your finder power is screwy is if one of your finds dies and their CF is not the same as your find. As D'riss did not die on night 2, you could not have known this for sure then. I can't remember for sure, but I don't think you pushed any real case on D'riss (or Shadow) at the time either.


As for Shadow's reveal: Well, I wish I could back it up by saying I was silenced too, but I can't. Therefore I'm not sure what to make of that bit of information. But to me Kesso seems the dodgier one at the minute for the reasons outlined above.

As for Ruse's reveal: Again, I can't decide one way or the other about that, but my feeling is is that lynching Kesso is the way to go. My other thought is that the other killer is not one of Shadow or Kess, and at the moment I feel it's Ampelas, who's been pretty smooth throughout, only becoming animated more recently, which suggests to me that someone they're in cahoots with is in trouble (i.e. either Kess or Shadow).

So:

Vote Kessobahn

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 06:08 PM

It is Day 5. 7 hours and 28 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Ampelas, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Liosan, Mockra, Ruse, Shadow, Tellan

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night

3 votes for Shadow: ( Ruse, Kessobahn, Hood's Path )
3 votes for Kessobahn: ( Ampelas, Shadow, Tellan )

Players not voted: Liosan, Mockra


Edit - missed HP's vote on Shadow, now fixed.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 02 June 2009 - 06:16 PM

Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 02 June 2009 - 06:08 PM

View PostTellan, on Jun 2 2009, 01:59 PM, said:

My other thought is that the other killer is not one of Shadow or Kess, and at the moment I feel it's Ampelas, who's been pretty smooth throughout, only becoming animated more recently, which suggests to me that someone they're in cahoots with is in trouble (i.e. either Kess or Shadow).

you're way wrong about that, but everything else you said in your post I pretty much agree with.

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 06:15 PM

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View PostHood's Path, on Jun 2 2009, 06:55 AM, said:

Dammit, this is so stupid. Maybe I'm being taken in by the scum playing the total idiot, but I'm inclined to believe him. I've been oscillating between Kesso and Shadow all day, and since it is Ruse's way or the highway (I hate you, by the way), it looks like I am pushed to

Vote Shadow

If you want a reason more than that, I'd say it's because you've already lied, I don't buy your reasoning behind waiting two days to tell us you were silenced, you pushed a bullshit case on Kesso to the point of ridiculousness and have been acting very chummy with Amp all day when I sincerely doubt there are still any inno pairs around. I'm not saying he's guilty, but you're trying to make him look like the next target in the case of you getting lynched.


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Posted 02 June 2009 - 06:16 PM

sigh, I can't help but feel similar about amp. but I think I may just really dislike that alt...

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 06:17 PM

Thanks...


It is Day 5. 7 hours and 19 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Ampelas, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Liosan, Mockra, Ruse, Shadow, Tellan

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night

3 votes for Shadow: ( Ruse, Kessobahn, Hood's Path )
3 votes for Kessobahn: ( Ampelas, Shadow, Tellan )

Players not voted: Liosan, Mockra
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 02 June 2009 - 06:18 PM

Cool. For the record, Kess did try a bit to get me lynched, but didn't do a very good job of it and didn't so much build a case as vote for me for stupid reasons. Not what I would call a solid effort. You're right in that he didn't do anything with D'riss.

If we do end up lynching Kesso (or anyone other than me), we should wait as long as possible before the hammer so that maybe Ruse can get back and change his guard (if he really can guard). He never answered the idocy of not putting in provisionals either...

edit: Xpost, that was in response to Tellann

This post has been edited by Shadow: 02 June 2009 - 06:19 PM


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Posted 02 June 2009 - 06:19 PM

View PostPath-Shaper, on Jun 2 2009, 02:17 PM, said:

Thanks...


It is Day 5. 7 hours and 19 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Ampelas, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Liosan, Mockra, Ruse, Shadow, Tellan

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night

3 votes for Shadow: ( Ruse, Kessobahn, Hood's Path )
3 votes for Kessobahn: ( Ampelas, Shadow, Tellan )

Players not voted: Liosan, Mockra


oooh, suspenseful

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 06:20 PM

View PostLiosan, on Jun 2 2009, 01:16 PM, said:

sigh, I can't help but feel similar about amp. but I think I may just really dislike that alt...

I don't like it much either tbh.

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 06:25 PM

Ok, I've got to go out for a few hours (hours, not days, I swear!), but I'll leave you guys with this. It's to do with the vigs: I'm not sure if it will help clear things up, or muddy the waters some more instead. Anyway:

I had a role, but I've since used it up. I could give the vig power, twice, to someone else of my choosing. I did it on nights 2 and 3. Unfortunately, the person I gave it to on night two also happened to die that night, so that was useless. I have no way of knowing if the second vig power I gave has been used to kill Meanas, or if that was someone else, and the person I gave it to still has their vig power, or used it to kill an inno (knowingly or otherwise) the following night.

Edit: Added bracketed bit.

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 06:28 PM

View PostTellan, on Jun 2 2009, 02:25 PM, said:

Ok, I've got to go out for a few hours (hours, not days, I swear!), but I'll leave you guys with this. It's to do with the vigs: I'm not sure if it will help clear things up, or muddy the waters some more instead. Anyway:

I had a role, but I've since used it up. I could give the vig power, twice, to someone else of my choosing. I did it on nights 2 and 3. Unfortunately, the person I gave it to on night two also happened to die that night, so that was useless. I have no way of knowing if the second vig power I gave has been used to kill Meanas, or if that was someone else, and the person I gave it to still has their vig power, or used it to kill an inno (knowingly or otherwise) the following night.

Edit: Added bracketed bit.


ooh, cool. quick question on that before you run: you give them the power on night X and they can then use it any night after X yes? (not give them it in the day and they use it that very night)

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 06:30 PM

hmm
I can't shake the bad feeling that we're into D-day territory here, waht with the vote being so nicely split.

i'm gonna try to recap

Kesso--claims paranoid finder. oddities in his behaviour--didn't reveal after the first scum find. or the second one. Gave 5 CF names on Day 4.

on his train:
Shadow- claims RI, claims silenced day 2. revealed day 4 NOTE: no one else has claimed silenced, before or after
Ampelas: keeps his nose clean. possible really weak evidence--Sil symping him day 1.
Tellan: low poster extraordinaire, comes on, votes Kesso, possibly trying to drail the Shadow train.

on Shadow's train
Kesso
Ruse-claims BP-used-up-turned-guard. Suggests that he had something to do with Kesso's paranoia.
HP-really, an unknown, hard to say anything about him one way or the other

not voting yet
Mockra-accused of playing "scummy" a la D'riss
Me- a paragon of innocence.

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 06:30 PM

View PostShadow, on Jun 2 2009, 08:28 PM, said:

View PostTellan, on Jun 2 2009, 02:25 PM, said:

Ok, I've got to go out for a few hours (hours, not days, I swear!), but I'll leave you guys with this. It's to do with the vigs: I'm not sure if it will help clear things up, or muddy the waters some more instead. Anyway:

I had a role, but I've since used it up. I could give the vig power, twice, to someone else of my choosing. I did it on nights 2 and 3. Unfortunately, the person I gave it to on night two also happened to die that night, so that was useless. I have no way of knowing if the second vig power I gave has been used to kill Meanas, or if that was someone else, and the person I gave it to still has their vig power, or used it to kill an inno (knowingly or otherwise) the following night.

Edit: Added bracketed bit.


ooh, cool. quick question on that before you run: you give them the power on night X and they can then use it any night after X yes? (not give them it in the day and they use it that very night)


I believe so but don't know for sure. Ok, gotta run.

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 06:31 PM

and crosspost... wow

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