[Liosan]

day 3?
didn't the weekend break start day 3?

plus, I don't really get the "baiting the silencer" plan--did you honestly expect him to start asking questions about why isnt' there anyone silenced?

also, answer me this, please: did the mods allow you to communicate with pics, quotes and smileys ala benses?

[Liosan]

Kessobahn, on Jun 1 2009, 02:48 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Jun 1 2009, 02:06 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jun 1 2009, 11:27 AM, said:

Now, Amp, what part of speculating before night ended was scummy or hard to understand.

LOL I never said anything about that, that is all Shadow. the reason I voted for you is because you just joked about my reaction to your post. i got your attention now though.

Kessobahn, on Jun 1 2009, 11:27 AM, said:

Shadow's problem was that there were 2 night kills, causing him to dismiss the entirety of Fener's reveal, but I don't know what that had to do with me. I mentioned that it was a cool role to have for scum, and suddenly I am scum? Like Shadow himself was so fond of pointing out, a grain of lie to distract doesn't make the whole reveal bullshit. There has to be some amount of truth, as much as possible even to make it easy to maintain. But it has no bearing now, because we can't tell what part of the reveal is the truth and which the lie. Ummm...Fucking Regis (Pat Sajack) and Kelly is throwing off my train of thought.

No I still don't think it's a good idea to listen to a fake reveal of a fucking scum, and if you keep saying it is, you're either being scum or no good for the team.

Kessobahn, on Jun 1 2009, 11:27 AM, said:

Okay, as I see it the people hungriest for a lynch, currently Shadow and Ampelas, are most likely scum as they know they're down by 2 and are looking for someone (me, dear God!) who they can drive into the ground based on, what, speculations about a scum reveal? That is so desperate its sad. I'm just having trouble deciding which one of you is more likely the killing killer that kills.

that sounds pretty desperate to me, I was almost going to remove my vote, since all I wanted was a non-joke stance, but now you throw out this shit?

If you'd read my post you'd realize that I specified that it has no bearing because he's dead. I'm not harping on it, so what's your point.

Shadow, on Jun 1 2009, 02:20 PM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jun 1 2009, 02:13 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Jun 1 2009, 11:06 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jun 1 2009, 11:27 AM, said:

Okay, as I see it the people hungriest for a lynch, currently Shadow and Ampelas, are most likely scum as they know they're down by 2 and are looking for someone (me, dear God!) who they can drive into the ground based on, what, speculations about a scum reveal? That is so desperate its sad. I'm just having trouble deciding which one of you is more likely the killing killer that kills.

that sounds pretty desperate to me, I was almost going to remove my vote, since all I wanted was a non-joke stance, but now you throw out this shit?

And now the other person who jumped on Kesso for no reason refuses to get off on the basis of very flimsy evidence. I really wish I knew what was going on here.

Its kinda like this:

To start, Kesso shows belief in Fener's ability claims prior to the end of night, more so than anyone else, really.

If (at that point, remember) Fener was to be believed, someone on day 1 was roled, either a guard or healer and got their ability bounced back at them and they died. D'riss and Gamelon were the finders.

A matter of minutes after Kesso has logged on and posted, night ends, and no one else has suddenly shown up. There are two deaths. If, as Kesso would believe, Fener's ability was passed onto someone else or was a buddy's and was resonposible for one of the deaths, then one of the dead folk from this past night was the remaining inno role - healer or guard, whichever didn't die night 1.

But, based on the timings, it would seem most probable that Kesso's return triggered the end of night, and it seems unlikely he'd be inno roled since by his own logic the standard 3 inno roles of finder(s), guard and healer are all dead now. So instead I conclude that he is scum and sent in a kill order instead.

Uh, hmmm, ya 10 minutes later, but I always put in a provisional so it couldn't have been me. I had mine in long before I went to bed. And it came back same as always, Shadow is scum. D'riss is Scum. Meanas is scum. Ruse is scum. And HP is scum. What else can I say, I'm insane finder. I'm not the most useful role. But I had a provisional in, it wasn't me who ended night.

WAT???????/

ypu realise, ofc, that Meanas WAS a shaper

so, you're saying you're a paranoid finder?

[Hood's Path]

Ampelas, on Jun 1 2009, 11:26 AM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jun 1 2009, 02:13 PM, said:

And now the other person who jumped on Kesso for no reason refuses to get off on the basis of very flimsy evidence. I really wish I knew what was going on here.

well I haven't exactly jumped in kesso yet, even though I voted - I still don't agree with what he said about Fener's reveal, and I honestly think it's a pretty scummy thing to be thinking about and to say. and then his 'defense' is that he was thinking out loud? then when I react on that I am suddenly scum? well freaking marvellous.

i too wish we still had a finder, so we could find out what was happening. if you have any better ideas HP, please share, I am open for suggestions.

Umm, voting for him is kinda my definition of jumping on him. When there could potentially be 3 scum left, I'm not sure if you could do anything worse than putting him at L-3 on a potential D-day.

The only suggestions I have at the moment are that either Kesso is scum, or one/both of the people currently voting for him is/are scum.

Also that comment about best-case/worst-case made by Tellan at the beginning of day 3. I still wanna hear an explanation of that.

[Kessobahn]

Liosan, on Jun 1 2009, 02:51 PM, said:

WAT???????/

ypu realise, ofc, that Meanas WAS a shaper

so, you're saying you're a paranoid finder?

Of course I realize that now. But I had no way of knowing if any of my finds were acurate cuz they were all the same. So ya, paranoid insane, whatever you call it, I'm one of the useless finders. And it wasn't me who ended night. It could have been Ruse, HP, Shadow, or Amp, or someone like yourself who cleverly picked a name but didn't return to thread for a couple hours, but I didn't end night.

[Hood's Path]

@Kesso: Is that the order you found them in? Shadow night 1, D'riss night 2, etc.?

[Liosan]

@ Kesso
rofl
I know it's hard to believe, but it wasn't me. I haven't looked at the thread since i've last posted yesterday.

also, there's a huge difference--Insane finder can be just as useful, once you know he's insane.
Paranoid is... well, useless.

[Kessobahn]

Hood's Path, on Jun 1 2009, 02:56 PM, said:

@Kesso: Is that the order you found them in? Shadow night 1, D'riss night 2, etc.?

Yes, that is. That's also why I was trying to pressure Shadow a little bit on day 2. At the time however, after my read of him there was nothing I could find to build a case on, and so I left it. I didn't want to reveal at that time, as even insane finders are good targets for killers.

[Liosan]

Hood's Path, on Jun 1 2009, 02:52 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Jun 1 2009, 11:26 AM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jun 1 2009, 02:13 PM, said:

And now the other person who jumped on Kesso for no reason refuses to get off on the basis of very flimsy evidence. I really wish I knew what was going on here.

well I haven't exactly jumped in kesso yet, even though I voted - I still don't agree with what he said about Fener's reveal, and I honestly think it's a pretty scummy thing to be thinking about and to say. and then his 'defense' is that he was thinking out loud? then when I react on that I am suddenly scum? well freaking marvellous.

i too wish we still had a finder, so we could find out what was happening. if you have any better ideas HP, please share, I am open for suggestions.

Umm, voting for him is kinda my definition of jumping on him. When there could potentially be 3 scum left, I'm not sure if you could do anything worse than putting him at L-3 on a potential D-day.

The only suggestions I have at the moment are that either Kesso is scum, or one/both of the people currently voting for him is/are scum.

Also that comment about best-case/worst-case made by Tellan at the beginning of day 3. I still wanna hear an explanation of that.

I really want to hear Shadow say more about his silencing. I don't like that one bit.

[Kessobahn]

Liosan, on Jun 1 2009, 02:59 PM, said:

@ Kesso
rofl
I know it's hard to believe, but it wasn't me. I haven't looked at the thread since i've last posted yesterday.

also, there's a huge difference--Insane finder can be just as useful, once you know he's insane.
Paranoid is... well, useless.

I've always just called it insane because its, frankly, shit insane to have a finder who only finds one result. And of course I wasn't told explicitly that I was a paranoid finder, I didn't find that out until night 2.

[Liosan]

I disagree with you there, but that's beyond the point. Suffice it to say, yours is a fairly exotic and stupid role to fake-reveal, so I'm inclined to believe you.

I'm not liking Shadow's reveal however, and his "trying to catch the silencer" bit

[Liosan]

I disagree with you there, but that's beyond the point. Suffice it to say, yours is a fairly exotic and stupid role to fake-reveal, so I'm inclined to believe you.

I'm not liking Shadow's reveal however, and his "trying to catch the silencer" bit

[Hood's Path]

Kessobahn, on Jun 1 2009, 12:03 PM, said:

Liosan, on Jun 1 2009, 02:59 PM, said:

@ Kesso
rofl
I know it's hard to believe, but it wasn't me. I haven't looked at the thread since i've last posted yesterday.

also, there's a huge difference--Insane finder can be just as useful, once you know he's insane.
Paranoid is... well, useless.

I've always just called it insane because its, frankly, shit insane to have a finder who only finds one result. And of course I wasn't told explicitly that I was a paranoid finder, I didn't find that out until night 2.

How did you know D'riss was innocent? He was, by his own admission, acting scummy.

[Kessobahn]

Me neither.

Me neither.

I don't like how Shadow's been playing at all today.

I don't like how Shadow's been playing at all today.

vote Shadow

vote Shadow



Crosspost. This is at Lio's double post.

This post has been edited by Kessobahn: 01 June 2009 - 07:16 PM

[Kessobahn]

Hood's Path, on Jun 1 2009, 03:13 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jun 1 2009, 12:03 PM, said:

Liosan, on Jun 1 2009, 02:59 PM, said:

@ Kesso
rofl
I know it's hard to believe, but it wasn't me. I haven't looked at the thread since i've last posted yesterday.

also, there's a huge difference--Insane finder can be just as useful, once you know he's insane.
Paranoid is... well, useless.

I've always just called it insane because its, frankly, shit insane to have a finder who only finds one result. And of course I wasn't told explicitly that I was a paranoid finder, I didn't find that out until night 2.

How did you know D'riss was innocent? He was, by his own admission, acting scummy.

I should say I suspected. Afaik, Grief is the only one to get 3 successful finds in a row, (all praise to Cicero) and that was a merc game. To find 2 scum in 2 nights seemed too good to be true, making me think I must be one of the shitty finders.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5. 30 hours and 11 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Ampelas, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Liosan, Mockra, Ruse, Shadow, Tellan

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night

1 vote for Shadow: ( Kessobahn )
2 votes for Kessobahn: ( Ampelas, Shadow )

Players not voted: Hood's Path, Liosan, Mockra, Ruse, Tellan

[Kessobahn]

Ah, geez, where'd everybody go?

[Hood's Path]

I'm here. Just thinking.

If you thought Fener might have been telling the truth and there was an ability out there that killed players when they targeted others, why did you keep putting finds on people when you knew they were completely useless?

[Liosan]

around, reading stuff on the webz...

I'm not gonna vote Shadow just yet, I want him to respond to my query first.

I do believe that's where my vote's gonna go today, though.

[Hood's Path]

@Kesso and Lio, whenever you guys come back, what is your take on the 41-hour no-modkill issue? That's the main thing throwing me about Shadow right now.

[Kessobahn]

Hood's Path, on Jun 1 2009, 03:32 PM, said:

I'm here. Just thinking.

If you thought Fener might have been telling the truth and there was an ability out there that killed players when they targeted others, why did you keep putting finds on people when you knew they were completely useless?

Well, Fener was lynched the same day he revealed and it holds night up if I don't send in a provisional. As for the modkill issue, wasn't it weekend break? I think it was Lio who mentioned it.