[Shadow]

 Ampelas, on Jun 1 2009, 09:53 AM, said:

why are you discussing fener, he was obviously a lying bastard.

Obviously, since we had another goddamn 2 fucking NKs.

[Ampelas]

 Shadow, on Jun 1 2009, 09:55 AM, said:

 Ampelas, on Jun 1 2009, 09:53 AM, said:

why are you discussing fener, he was obviously a lying bastard.

Obviously, since we had another goddamn 2 fucking NKs.

I was talking about the fact that he came up scum, but okay.

[Shadow]

 Ampelas, on Jun 1 2009, 09:59 AM, said:

 Shadow, on Jun 1 2009, 09:55 AM, said:

 Ampelas, on Jun 1 2009, 09:53 AM, said:

why are you discussing fener, he was obviously a lying bastard.

Obviously, since we had another goddamn 2 fucking NKs.

I was talking about the fact that he came up scum, but okay.

Well yeah, but even then he could've still been that role (it could've been a good role for scum), but he was trying to prove there was only 1 killer, and that he was responsible for each of the times there was 2. And now he's dead and there are still 2.

[Kessobahn]

 Shadow, on Jun 1 2009, 10:13 AM, said:

 Ampelas, on Jun 1 2009, 09:59 AM, said:

 Shadow, on Jun 1 2009, 09:55 AM, said:

 Ampelas, on Jun 1 2009, 09:53 AM, said:

why are you discussing fener, he was obviously a lying bastard.

Obviously, since we had another goddamn 2 fucking NKs.

I was talking about the fact that he came up scum, but okay.

Well yeah, but even then he could've still been that role (it could've been a good role for scum), but he was trying to prove there was only 1 killer, and that he was responsible for each of the times there was 2. And now he's dead and there are still 2.

Ummm, why have you adopted my stance without even accepting that I was right? Is this kind of like reverse strawmanning? (I ask that sincerely as I only have a sketchy understanding of what strawmanning is in the first place)

[Ruse]

its called the reverse-reverse double bluff strawman technique

[Shadow]

 Kessobahn, on Jun 1 2009, 10:18 AM, said:

 Shadow, on Jun 1 2009, 10:13 AM, said:

 Ampelas, on Jun 1 2009, 09:59 AM, said:

 Shadow, on Jun 1 2009, 09:55 AM, said:

 Ampelas, on Jun 1 2009, 09:53 AM, said:

why are you discussing fener, he was obviously a lying bastard.

Obviously, since we had another goddamn 2 fucking NKs.

I was talking about the fact that he came up scum, but okay.

Well yeah, but even then he could've still been that role (it could've been a good role for scum), but he was trying to prove there was only 1 killer, and that he was responsible for each of the times there was 2. And now he's dead and there are still 2.

Ummm, why have you adopted my stance without even accepting that I was right? Is this kind of like reverse strawmanning? (I ask that sincerely as I only have a sketchy understanding of what strawmanning is in the first place)

Strawmanning is when you put words in someone else's mouth, for the most part. ie if I said that you said your favourite color is mauve, when in fact you never said any such thing (maybe Im twisting something similar that you said with other context), then I am strawmanning.

In this case I am suspicious of you because you said what you said before the NKs came in, whereas now that they are in we know for sure that he was talking utter shite.

[Shadow]

 Ruse, on Jun 1 2009, 10:21 AM, said:

its called the reverse-reverse double bluff strawman technique

That would be the same as double bluff strawman technique...

[Ampelas]

I don't get it Shadow, why would Fener do anything but lie?

Edit: you're not making any sense

This post has been edited by Ampelas: 01 June 2009 - 02:25 PM

[Shadow]

 Ampelas, on Jun 1 2009, 10:24 AM, said:

I don't get it Shadow, why would Fener do anything but lie?

Oh no doubt about it, he would surely lie, but the idea would be to make his lies as plausible as possible while keeping some lie in there that would throw us off his buddies and leave them an open hand to keep double-killing.

Instead, his claims meant there was only one killer, but that was a terrible lie because 5 seconds later we can see its not true and have no reason to believe any of his shite. A good lie would've kept us uncertain even if two NKs occured.

edit: grammar and format

This post has been edited by Shadow: 01 June 2009 - 02:28 PM

[Ampelas]

I didn't see anything plausible with what he posted. we definitely shouldn't look for some kind of truth in his reveal, it will only lead us on the wrong track. the fact that you suggest me he might have given us an ounce of truth is suspicious to say the least.

[Ruse]

 Shadow, on Jun 1 2009, 10:27 AM, said:

 Ampelas, on Jun 1 2009, 10:24 AM, said:

I don't get it Shadow, why would Fener do anything but lie?

Oh no doubt about it, he would surely lie, but the idea would be to make his lies as plausible as possible while keeping some lie in there that would throw us off his buddies and leave them an open hand to keep double-killing.

Instead, his claims meant there was only one killer, but that was a terrible lie because 5 seconds later we can see its not true and have no reason to believe any of his shite. A good lie would've kept us uncertain even if two NKs occured.

edit: grammar and format

SO your point is that it was a shit lie

kudos

[Shadow]

 Ampelas, on Jun 1 2009, 10:30 AM, said:

I didn't see anything plausible with what he posted. we definitely shouldn't look for some kind of truth in his reveal, it will only lead us on the wrong track. the fact that you suggest me he might have given us an ounce of truth is suspicious to say the least.

I'm saying that he, as scum, *should* have given us at least an ounce of truth if he was smarter. Prior to the end of night it was possible that he had, but with 2 NKs he is totally discredited and he is foolish for having set himself up for it.

[Shadow]

 Ruse, on Jun 1 2009, 10:32 AM, said:

 Shadow, on Jun 1 2009, 10:27 AM, said:

 Ampelas, on Jun 1 2009, 10:24 AM, said:

I don't get it Shadow, why would Fener do anything but lie?

Oh no doubt about it, he would surely lie, but the idea would be to make his lies as plausible as possible while keeping some lie in there that would throw us off his buddies and leave them an open hand to keep double-killing.

Instead, his claims meant there was only one killer, but that was a terrible lie because 5 seconds later we can see its not true and have no reason to believe any of his shite. A good lie would've kept us uncertain even if two NKs occured.

edit: grammar and format

SO your point is that it was a shit lie

kudos

Yeah, pretty much.

[Ampelas]

 Shadow, on Jun 1 2009, 09:33 AM, said:

 Ampelas, on Jun 1 2009, 10:30 AM, said:

I didn't see anything plausible with what he posted. we definitely shouldn't look for some kind of truth in his reveal, it will only lead us on the wrong track. the fact that you suggest me he might have given us an ounce of truth is suspicious to say the least.

I'm saying that he, as scum, *should* have given us at least an ounce of truth if he was smarter. Prior to the end of night it was possible that he had, but with 2 NKs he is totally discredited and he is foolish for having set himself up for it.

and I'm saying that we are stupid if we count on anything in that reveal being true, since we can't know what is true and what isn't. are you trying to get us on the wrong track here?

[Kessobahn]

Okay, i see. But why does that mean anything? Just because I speculated on the veracity of his reveal doesn't mean I'm scum. He was, I stated its a great role for scum to have, and you're voting for me because there's 2 nks? I just don't understand your reasoning.

Crosspost, @Shadow

This post has been edited by Kessobahn: 01 June 2009 - 02:37 PM

[Shadow]

 Ampelas, on Jun 1 2009, 10:34 AM, said:

 Shadow, on Jun 1 2009, 09:33 AM, said:

 Ampelas, on Jun 1 2009, 10:30 AM, said:

I didn't see anything plausible with what he posted. we definitely shouldn't look for some kind of truth in his reveal, it will only lead us on the wrong track. the fact that you suggest me he might have given us an ounce of truth is suspicious to say the least.

I'm saying that he, as scum, *should* have given us at least an ounce of truth if he was smarter. Prior to the end of night it was possible that he had, but with 2 NKs he is totally discredited and he is foolish for having set himself up for it.

and I'm saying that we are stupid if we count on anything in that reveal being true, since we can't know what is true and what isn't. are you trying to get us on the wrong track here?

I'm not saying any of it is true, quite the opposite. If Fener had been a clever man he would have made it such that there was a remote possibility that the reveal was true. But he did not. It is not true. Not in the least.

[Ruse]

 Shadow, on Jun 1 2009, 10:27 AM, said:

 Ampelas, on Jun 1 2009, 10:24 AM, said:

I don't get it Shadow, why would Fener do anything but lie?

Oh no doubt about it, he would surely lie, but the idea would be to make his lies as plausible as possible while keeping some lie in there that would throw us off his buddies and leave them an open hand to keep double-killing.

Instead, his claims meant there was only one killer, but that was a terrible lie because 5 seconds later we can see its not true and have no reason to believe any of his shite. A good lie would've kept us uncertain even if two NKs occured.

edit: grammar and format

SO your point is that is was a shit lie

kudos

[Ruse]

[Ampelas]

okay it feels like I've misunderstood what you've said Shadow. wait, kesso was speculating on if fener's reveal was somewhat true?

Edit: I might have completely misread who said what in the kesso -shadow convo

This post has been edited by Ampelas: 01 June 2009 - 02:43 PM

[Shadow]

Lol, Ruse, you're double-posting 6 minutes apart...?