[Coco with marshmallows]

So, currently watching Kingdom of Heaven.

it's well paced, well scripted, fantastically shot, but there is one rather gaping flaw in the film.

Orlando Bloom can't carry this film. Everyone else in it acts his socks off.
Liam Neeson, Edward Norton, Alexander Siddig, everyone, they're all damned good.

But Orlando Bloom just can't quite manage it. This film should be on a par with Spartacus, or Ben-Hur, an honest to gods old fashioned
epic that should enter the public conciousness the way Gladiator did.

but no, because of one flaw - Orlando Bloom.





In a similar vein, the 2004 version of King Arthur with Clive Owen - i really enjoyed this film,
okay there were a few dumd points - if going beyond the wall was such a big deal what the **** was the pope's godson doing
three days north of it?

But then, just when I can't understand why the film got such a poor response, we're treated to an utterly ****ing abyssmal speech from
arthur after his wedding, that really spoils the whole film for me.


so there you have it. Two films that, in my opinion, could have been great but for one thing - a shallow performance in one,
piss-poor scriptwriting in the other.

Anyone else have any films they feel this way about?

[Thelomen Toblerone]

That King Arthur was dreadful. The standard of acting was just shocking. I gave up after 20mins or so, it was too painful.

Next with Nicholas Cage was so disappointing. The ending was essentially "and it was all a dream." Incredibly lazy bit of scriptwriting to allow plenty of drama without having to tie up any loose ends. Even in primary school I was told off for using endings like that. Dreadful ending to a promisign film.

[stone monkey]

King Arthur was truly appalling. And I say this as someone who is absolutely obsessed with all things Arthurian. It was just so wrong on so many different levels.

[Coco with marshmallows]

you know, another thing about kingdom of heaven (its still on) -


they should make a sequel about the whole richard the first / Saladin thing, with the actor who played Saladin reprising his role,
as he's excellent.

[Aptorian]

All the Superhero movies aside that all drive me crazy, one film that should have been Awesome was "The Terminator Film Who's Name Shall Not Be Mentioned".

The characters where unbelievable and didn't create any form of sympathy with the audience. The Terminators were silly and had none of the scary, mechanical behaviour of the first films. The plot was half ass'd and generally the manuscript had holes so big Schwarzenegger could have driven his hummer through it.

The biggest and most annoying one being that the machine killer shoots the Arnold bot in the start of the film... AND HE DOESN'T DIE!

What they should have done was to use the Comic book evolution of the ideas and had the human rebels sending scores of Arnold terminators back through time in waves, trying to stop the machine killing terminator. THAT would have been cool.

[Gem Windcaster]

Even though I am one of those that actually loved them, fanatic as I am, the matrix sequels could have been so much better. *sigh* They pretty much own most movies out there even so, though.

[Thelomen Toblerone]

The Matrix 2 and 3 were the most unneccesary film ever. I just watch number 1 and pretend it ends there. Its a perfectly serviceable ending, hell, its a good ending. But then they spoiled it with the money making ventures in shit form that were 2 and 3.

[Assail]

Thelomen Toblerone, on May 16 2009, 04:53 PM, said:

The Matrix 2 and 3 were the most unneccesary film ever. I just watch number 1 and pretend it ends there. Its a perfectly serviceable ending, hell, its a good ending. But then they spoiled it with the money making ventures in shit form that were 2 and 3.

See, that's where I disagree. I truly enjoyed the storyline surrounding the Matrix trilogy.

[Eddie Dean]

I didn't think that Orlando Bloom was that bad, but but he was definately worse than the rest of the acting in that movie, which was phenomenal.

About King Arthur: anything with Keira Knightly in it is going to make the movie much, much worse. STOP TALKING OUT OF YOUR NOSE!!!

I'm with the crowd that like the 2-3 movies in the Matrix (although the computer generated fight scenes were really fake). Not as good as #1 naturally, but I didn't think they were crap either.

I'll go with "The Departed" for myself. I don't know what it was about this movie that made me not like it. I guess with the cast,Scorsese directing it, and the fact that I love that "type" of movie, I just thought it would be a lot better.

[MTS]

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anything with Keira Knightly in it is going to make the movie much, much worse. STOP TALKING OUT OF YOUR NOSE!!!

Haha so true, she is terrible. It's almost painful watching the Pirates of the Caribbean movies because she's in it, and Orlando Bloom is a terrible actor. Johnny Depp saves the day though (as always).

I don't agree with you on the Departed though. I watched it for the first time last night, and loved it. The ending was a bit annoying, as everyone just died, but Alec Baldwin (who's amazing) going nuts at the camera dude and

Spoiler

DiCaprio's pimp stroll out of the elevator only to get shot in the head was awesome lol.

A film that could've been great but wasn't: 21. It had a cool premise - people "illegally" counting cards - but had to turn it into some teen drama. The acting was terrible (except for Spacey and Fishburne [sp.?]), the script was crap and the ending sucked. Thoroughly disappointed.

This post has been edited by Mappo's Travelling Sack: 17 May 2009 - 12:38 PM

[McLovin]

I'll go for the obvious - Star Wars prequels I and II, but especially I.

[Dr Trouble]

Mappo's Travelling Sack, on May 17 2009, 10:46 AM, said:

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anything with Keira Knightly in it is going to make the movie much, much worse. STOP TALKING OUT OF YOUR NOSE!!!

Haha so true, she is terrible. It's almost painful watching the Pirates of the Caribbean movies because she's in it, and Orlando Bloom is a terrible actor. Johnny Depp saves the day though (as always).

Spoiler

I don't agree with you on the Departed though. I watched it for the first time last night, and loved it. The ending was a bit annoying, as everyone just died, but Alec Baldwin (who's amazing) going nuts at the camera dude and DiCaprio's pimp stroll out of the elevator only to get shot in the head was awesome lol.

A film that could've been great but wasn't: 21. It had a cool premise - people "illegally" counting cards - but had to turn it into some teen drama. The acting was terrible (except for Spacey and Fishburne [sp.?]), the script was crap and the ending sucked. Thoroughly disappointed.

Nice spoilers there brah. I'm sure everyone who hasn't seen the movie will love to have the surprise ending ruined by you. Thumbs up

[Illuyankas]

I, for one, wouldn't have had the ending ruined after he spoilered it if you hadn't quoted it. Thanks, dude.

[Aptorian]

Took care of that spoiler for you.

Good thing it was a The Departed spoiler, it would have been sad if Trouble had spoiled a good film for Illy.

[Urb]

Eddie Dean, on May 17 2009, 03:18 AM, said:

anything with Keira Knightly in it is going to make the movie much, much worse. STOP TALKING OUT OF YOUR NOSE!!!

I thought the Jacket was pretty awesome. Not that she carried the film on her shoulders, but she didn't really fuck it up either.

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As for movies that should have been better. The final Lord of the Rings movie was ridiculous. The story pretty much ended one hour before the credits started rolling on the screen. That was the first and only time I have ever fallen asleep in a movie theatre.

This post has been edited by Urb: 17 May 2009 - 01:18 PM

[Dr Trouble]

Illuyankas, on May 17 2009, 08:51 PM, said:

I, for one, wouldn't have had the ending ruined after he spoilered it if you hadn't quoted it. Thanks, dude.

No worries. Maybe reading a quoted message before the original message isn't a great idea, hmm?

[Illuyankas]

Trouble, on May 17 2009, 02:03 PM, said:

Illuyankas, on May 17 2009, 08:51 PM, said:

I, for one, wouldn't have had the ending ruined after he spoilered it if you hadn't quoted it. Thanks, dude.

No worries. Maybe reading a quoted message before the original message isn't a great idea, hmm?

ALSO KING KONG DIES

Only if there's a dick going round complaining about spoilers and then quoting the spoiler unchanged and keeping it around unedited. Like you. Dick.

[Dr Trouble]

Illuyankas, on May 17 2009, 09:09 PM, said:

Trouble, on May 17 2009, 02:03 PM, said:

Illuyankas, on May 17 2009, 08:51 PM, said:

I, for one, wouldn't have had the ending ruined after he spoilered it if you hadn't quoted it. Thanks, dude.

No worries. Maybe reading a quoted message before the original message isn't a great idea, hmm?

ALSO KING KONG DIES

Only if there's a dick going round complaining about spoilers and then quoting the spoiler unchanged and keeping it around unedited. Like you. Dick.

I apologize. If I had of realised there were dumb shits going around being, well, dumb shits, I would have edited it. Dumb shit.

This post has been edited by Trouble: 17 May 2009 - 01:22 PM

[MTS]

Haha I'm just going to apologise for the spoiler in the first place...sorry Trouble, sorry Illy! My bad - it won't happen again.

[Aptorian]

Trouble, on May 17 2009, 03:03 PM, said:

Illuyankas, on May 17 2009, 08:51 PM, said:

I, for one, wouldn't have had the ending ruined after he spoilered it if you hadn't quoted it. Thanks, dude.

No worries. Maybe reading a quoted message before the original message isn't a great idea, hmm?

Trouble stop being a dick.

You berated another member for spoiling important scenes in the Departed, then left the spoiler in your own quote... making you a dick, unintentionally perhaps, but still a dick.

Don't start throwing abuse at Illy for not having the precognitive sense to magically skip reading your post.

The rules for spoilers apply outside the book forums aswell as inside them.

No need to make more out of it, back on topic.