[Omtose]

Mockra, on May 5 2009, 11:01 AM, said:

I'm off now.

I've read up, and, tbh, it's all day one cases. Potential slips, and whatnot. I'm all for a lynch, but really I think you'll either get it or not without me, and I'm going to be back on in 8 hours anyway - so I can probably vote then, if a desperate hammer is needed, or something.

Night all.

Blargh, this is something like your second post and you're basically telling us we're on our own... play the game!

[Galain]

Funny how Silanah started the day with "No time, plz summarize" and now that he's in the spot he's always there

[Korvalain]

Galain, on May 5 2009, 01:54 PM, said:

My case on Silanah is indeed rubbish, since on day 1 there's little information besides the analysis of the few posts players made. There's no lynch train, CF, etc to go for. All I'm saying is that strange things happened from a few players after Korvalain put his posts, and that's one interpretation of why.

Which bring me to

@Korvalain:

I agree with what you say about D'riss. It relates to what I say about Korvalain. However, if this interpretation of events is right, then Silanah is a killer and D'riss is either his partner or his symp, so I prefer to vote Silanah. Either you dismiss the whole thing as coincidence/bad interpretation, or you agree with that.

Or do you think D'riss could have behaved like that with Silanah being inno?

Reaad that and find the mistake, lol. As to Silanah, I see scum that hopped in not to defend a partner or symp, but instead to discredit one inno, while making himself look more inno when Sil is lynched so he can say "Told you so" and get PIed. Thats how I read his posts, my reasons are because of the "last resort" statement. He's willing to stick his neck out to discredit me, but if the vote swings that way, he'll gladly hop on. (a bit of strawmanning there in that last, but its my interpretation.)

[Korvalain]

However, if Sil keep s lurking and not being invisible, he's pretty screwed anyway on principle.

Also one more thing Meanas, If D'riss is scum then Sil is very probably the next target, vice versa with the if Sil is scum thing. So either is fine with me. I just feel D'riss is the more visible of the two.

[Serc]

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 10:04 AM, said:

I know this is redundant. But I don't feel enough thought is being put forward on my suspicions of D'riss. Several people have said its an over reaction, however, I am going to piece together a case, right now its all scattered. Maybe this way it will make more sense. If it is dismissed, I have several others pinging my radar. And can move on, however, I feel pretty certain about D'riss right now.

*snip*

Korvalain, on May 4 2009, 06:54 PM, said:

Also D'riss, If you are still around, how is one vote on someone "attacking"?

Here I ask a question, but get ignored. How do I know ignored? Because you are still on and respond to Shadows question. below

D'riss, on May 4 2009, 08:31 PM, said:

Shadow, on May 4 2009, 06:58 PM, said:

D'riss, on May 4 2009, 03:37 PM, said:

I imagine that at least half our paired guys are inno, so it's not necessarily best to charge straight in and attack someone on suspicion they're paired.

Why would you even feel the need to speculate about Inno mechanics?

Because if he's right but has found inno then he could be telling all the scum who our healers/finders/guards or whatever are.

edit: brainfart + grammar

Cut most of Part 1 out because I just think it's a lot of grasping at straws, man. It's just as good as any Day 1 misinterpretations or w/e. I did note you are saying that D'riss ignored your question but look at the timestamps. D'riss didn't even respond to Shadow for an hour and a half (Shadow posted a few mins after you).

Part two coming up.....

[Omtose]

Silanah, on May 5 2009, 02:39 PM, said:

I'm back for a bit. Would someone like to summarize the days events for me, please? I am not in the mood to read through pages of spam

This is some lazy, lazy stuff.

Silanah, how can you trust someone to summarise the nuances of back-and-forth that goes on during a game? You have to read the whole thing, for god's sake.

[Omtose]

Galain, on May 5 2009, 02:42 PM, said:

Silanah, on May 5 2009, 04:39 PM, said:

I'm back for a bit. Would someone like to summarize the days events for me, please? I am not in the mood to read through pages of spam

D'riss made a killer slip by posting a PM to the mods on thread instead and is now at L-1, and his symp (Tellan) revealed as a healer to try to save him, but a finder counter-revealed saying he day-investigated him as a symp, so we're doing quite well

Aaaaaaaah, comedy.

[Kessobahn]

Fener, on May 5 2009, 06:27 PM, said:

Rashan, on May 4 2009, 09:17 PM, said:

That Vinizzi he can really fuss.

^speaking of a rhyming sequence within the movie

Rashan, speaking to Telas, who has been rhyming all day.

Telas, on May 4 2009, 09:53 PM, said:

[Aboard Vizzini's boat.]
Inigo: That Vizzini, he can fuss.
Fezzik: Fuss... Fuss... I think he likes to scream at us.
Inigo Montoya: Probably he means no harm.
Fezzik: He's really very short on charm.
Inigo Montoya: You have a great gift for rhyme.
Fezzik: Yes, yes, some of the time.
Vizzini: Enough of that.
Inigo Montoya: Fezzik, are there rocks ahead?
Fezzik: If there are, we'll all be dead.
Vizzini: No more rhymes now, I mean it!
Fezzik: Anybody want a peanut?
Vizzini: [screams in frustration]

Felt this was appropriate

Nobody has pointed this out, so I thought I would. Perhaps Telas finding his symp?

Meanas, on May 5 2009, 05:33 PM, said:

Shadow, on May 5 2009, 04:31 PM, said:

Meanas, on May 5 2009, 08:10 AM, said:

I'm trying a new way of approaching Day 1. Other ways have been tried, and as we all know, they all tend to result in an inno death. Yes, of course, this could very easily be the same, but I don't believe trying something new is all that bad.

A huge bunch of lengthy cases makes sense after a couple of days worth of behavior to analyze.

On Day 1 ... it just looks like you're trying to deflect attention from someone or something. Makes me a lot more confident about my D'riss vote. Though I still think he'll come up Inno, as I see him as only a Symp.

They're not cases. They're pattern analyses. I decided to show you all my train of thought because I felt you might actually consider it all more suspicious if I just came out and said "right, I did a bunch of stuff, and I came up with Shadow. Vote Shadow".

How is a pattern analysis different than a case if you then use it to vote for someone? Could you explain the difference please, Meanas?

Edit: Some stuff going down since I've been reading. Need to read these comments.

Wat?
I said I thought Meanas was symping Telas. It's why i'm voting him right now.

[Shadow]

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 11:02 AM, said:

However, if Sil keep s lurking and not being invisible, he's pretty screwed anyway on principle.

Also one more thing Meanas, If D'riss is scum then Sil is very probably the next target, vice versa with the if Sil is scum thing. So either is fine with me. I just feel D'riss is the more visible of the two.

I'm not so sure that's the best chain to follow from a guilty D'riss. Far more likely, in my opinion, is D'riss and Meanas - I still really don't like the way that a few people, Meanas primary among them, stirred up the waters so much after D'riss hit three votes.

Because of the full-CF, as well, we should remember that it may be possible to identify Symps if they come up "Inno," depending on what name they're given (someone CF'd as Inno in faction, but Vizzini in Role, would obviously be a Symp, for example).

[Serc]

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 10:13 AM, said:

Part 2

D'riss, on May 5 2009, 10:29 AM, said:

Ruse, on May 5 2009, 10:23 AM, said:

*snip*
Again, writing style. Just finished writing a research paper last night, sue me.

On the other hand, you want specifics? You, Korvalain, and Shadow have more or less reacted in the exact same way here. As for the prior game, it's either last game or the game before. Seeing as how I got more or less shafted both games, I don't recall exactly which one it was. Someone outed an inno pair, and there was a huge shitstorm stirred up about it.

Now, this class + internet access is over...back, depending on the weather, in 5-8 hours.

Here D'riss lumps me, shadow and Ruse together, because we all think (for different reasons) that he is scummy.

*snip*

This piece of Part 2 is really your best argument, IMO, but while I see what you're saying, how else would you respond if three random people were blasting you for potential scumminess?

Of course, this is all moot if Driss is actually scum, LOL.

[Korvalain]

Serc, on May 5 2009, 02:05 PM, said:

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 10:04 AM, said:

I know this is redundant. But I don't feel enough thought is being put forward on my suspicions of D'riss. Several people have said its an over reaction, however, I am going to piece together a case, right now its all scattered. Maybe this way it will make more sense. If it is dismissed, I have several others pinging my radar. And can move on, however, I feel pretty certain about D'riss right now.

*snip*

Korvalain, on May 4 2009, 06:54 PM, said:

Also D'riss, If you are still around, how is one vote on someone "attacking"?

Here I ask a question, but get ignored. How do I know ignored? Because you are still on and respond to Shadows question. below

D'riss, on May 4 2009, 08:31 PM, said:

Shadow, on May 4 2009, 06:58 PM, said:

D'riss, on May 4 2009, 03:37 PM, said:

I imagine that at least half our paired guys are inno, so it's not necessarily best to charge straight in and attack someone on suspicion they're paired.

Why would you even feel the need to speculate about Inno mechanics?

Because if he's right but has found inno then he could be telling all the scum who our healers/finders/guards or whatever are.

edit: brainfart + grammar

Cut most of Part 1 out because I just think it's a lot of grasping at straws, man. It's just as good as any Day 1 misinterpretations or w/e. I did note you are saying that D'riss ignored your question but look at the timestamps. D'riss didn't even respond to Shadow for an hour and a half (Shadow posted a few mins after you).

Part two coming up.....

I appricate that, and the fact you are actually reading if, point remains the same. He was still on (had not left for the day) and responded to Shadow (who posted 4 mintes after me) and ignored my post and subsequent case completely.

[Omtose]

Silanah, on May 5 2009, 03:24 PM, said:

Gamelon, on May 5 2009, 03:04 PM, said:

Galain, on May 5 2009, 02:58 PM, said:

I have to go, I'm a bit disappointed by Silanah's recent posts, I was waiting for him to see if I should keep my vote.

My case is around and not hard to follow, but for those who only skim (quite a few, it seems)

1) D'riss over-reaction to a semi-joke vote by Korvalain on Silanah, as if he felt he needed to "diffuse" the pressure quickly
2) Kessobahn saying "innos have lovers too", as if the "partner" case had any validity. It's like he knew that Silanah had a partner indeed and tried to defend him by saying "Err, well, he's paired, but so are some innos, right?". That Kesso post was bizarre, then he disappeared.
3) Someone once said "Vote D'riss, though I'm less suspicious of Silanah". I have no idea what it means, but once again someone feels the need to mention Silanah is less suspicious for some reason, as if he ever really was.

That's it and all, maybe it's all wrong interpretations and nothing but coincidences and akward wordings, but that's what I saw until now.

Will be back soon.

You know i would add that it looked like korvalain made a poor case citing silanah and his partner possibly to prove to silanah that he knew they had a partner (ie he was pointing out his sympish status) and then when driss rubbished the case he jumped out to say it wasnt a case before it picked up steam. We then had then had those others jump in.

remove vote

vote silanah

Thats stronger than my case on ruse.

I know that it is hard being a member of the town, but it seems like many people arent trying very hard to participate in the game, hopefully things pick up soon.

In the red: We have a convoluted case based on defences of a very bad case. That, to me, is just trying to find an excuse. Lord, I found it hard to even understand his argument, there.
In the blue: Seems like he's trying to say "I'm town", and then"follow me."
So, I dislike that... Seems sympish, to me. Saying I'm town is a subtle way to make himself seem very inno if he comes up "Inno/symp".
So, I'm gonna vote for Galain, because this seems like a totally fabricated way to follow someone else's very vague, non commital suspicions.

I agree that Gamelon's reasoning there is bizarre to say the least. It took me two re-reads to know what the hell he was even going on about.

Which kind of makes me think he's just an inno clutching at straws.

Though I also didn't like the "I know that it is hard being a member of the town" remark. It's like, "hey look at me I'm on your side"

[Serc]

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 10:48 AM, said:

Serc, on May 5 2009, 01:42 PM, said:

Going to reread Driss case now for Korv's ego's sake > <

Thanks. As to the rest. Umm, you think Ruse is the symp, why are you not looking for his master. Also, simple irony here, but last game, we lynched people based on who they didn't talk about or mention, now you are going after Ruse for talking about everyone. just funny to me.

I get the irony now > <

Yeah, Ruse seems sympish but he's giving so many handjobs out that I have no clue who he's actually symping, which is why I am voting for him at the moment.

[Serc]

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 11:16 AM, said:

Serc, on May 5 2009, 02:05 PM, said:

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 10:04 AM, said:

I know this is redundant. But I don't feel enough thought is being put forward on my suspicions of D'riss. Several people have said its an over reaction, however, I am going to piece together a case, right now its all scattered. Maybe this way it will make more sense. If it is dismissed, I have several others pinging my radar. And can move on, however, I feel pretty certain about D'riss right now.

*snip*

Korvalain, on May 4 2009, 06:54 PM, said:

Also D'riss, If you are still around, how is one vote on someone "attacking"?

Here I ask a question, but get ignored. How do I know ignored? Because you are still on and respond to Shadows question. below

D'riss, on May 4 2009, 08:31 PM, said:

Shadow, on May 4 2009, 06:58 PM, said:

D'riss, on May 4 2009, 03:37 PM, said:

I imagine that at least half our paired guys are inno, so it's not necessarily best to charge straight in and attack someone on suspicion they're paired.

Why would you even feel the need to speculate about Inno mechanics?

Because if he's right but has found inno then he could be telling all the scum who our healers/finders/guards or whatever are.

edit: brainfart + grammar

Cut most of Part 1 out because I just think it's a lot of grasping at straws, man. It's just as good as any Day 1 misinterpretations or w/e. I did note you are saying that D'riss ignored your question but look at the timestamps. D'riss didn't even respond to Shadow for an hour and a half (Shadow posted a few mins after you).

Part two coming up.....

I appricate that, and the fact you are actually reading if, point remains the same. He was still on (had not left for the day) and responded to Shadow (who posted 4 mintes after me) and ignored my post and subsequent case completely.

True, unless he just skimmed for something that he saw as interesting? Maybe didn't think it was worth responding to unless he started to look like he was arguing, but NOW we're getting in the WIFOM territory. Would he do that b/c he was inno and didn't want to get lynched or b/c he was scum and didn't want to get lynched.

It's actually probably an above average Day 1 case, but I'm not convinced yet.

[Fener]

Kessobahn, on May 5 2009, 07:10 PM, said:

Fener, on May 5 2009, 06:27 PM, said:

Rashan, on May 4 2009, 09:17 PM, said:

That Vinizzi he can really fuss.

^speaking of a rhyming sequence within the movie

Rashan, speaking to Telas, who has been rhyming all day.

Telas, on May 4 2009, 09:53 PM, said:

[Aboard Vizzini's boat.]
Inigo: That Vizzini, he can fuss.
Fezzik: Fuss... Fuss... I think he likes to scream at us.
Inigo Montoya: Probably he means no harm.
Fezzik: He's really very short on charm.
Inigo Montoya: You have a great gift for rhyme.
Fezzik: Yes, yes, some of the time.
Vizzini: Enough of that.
Inigo Montoya: Fezzik, are there rocks ahead?
Fezzik: If there are, we'll all be dead.
Vizzini: No more rhymes now, I mean it!
Fezzik: Anybody want a peanut?
Vizzini: [screams in frustration]

Felt this was appropriate

Nobody has pointed this out, so I thought I would. Perhaps Telas finding his symp?

<snip>

Wat?
I said I thought Meanas was symping Telas. It's why i'm voting him right now.

Sorry, didn't see that. I just don't get the full posting of the rhyme scene. It seemed strange to me, and that's what I was looking for during catch-up period. Guess I need to do a better catch-up.

[Anomandaris]

My thoughts are not a lot clearer for that read. For what it's worth though, Korv's case on D'riss seems pretty good for day 1. So,

Vote D'riss

and also for the reasons I gave earlier

[Omtose]

Tellan, on May 5 2009, 04:28 PM, said:

Are you the guy team scum carried to the end last game because you would point fingers at everyone? If you are I hereby nominate you for octopus of HHM.

Brilliant. Make it so.

[Korvalain]

Fener, on May 5 2009, 02:20 PM, said:

Sorry, didn't see that. I just don't get the full posting of the rhyme scene. It seemed strange to me, and that's what I was looking for during catch-up period. Guess I need to do a better catch-up.

*Beats dead horse

Funny how no one is suspecting that they are paired innos like the Silanah thing.


*Beats dead horse with dead eel (For dramatic effect).

[Fener]

Serc, on May 5 2009, 08:19 PM, said:

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 11:16 AM, said:

Serc, on May 5 2009, 02:05 PM, said:

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 10:04 AM, said:

I know this is redundant. But I don't feel enough thought is being put forward on my suspicions of D'riss. Several people have said its an over reaction, however, I am going to piece together a case, right now its all scattered. Maybe this way it will make more sense. If it is dismissed, I have several others pinging my radar. And can move on, however, I feel pretty certain about D'riss right now.

*snip*

Korvalain, on May 4 2009, 06:54 PM, said:

Also D'riss, If you are still around, how is one vote on someone "attacking"?

Here I ask a question, but get ignored. How do I know ignored? Because you are still on and respond to Shadows question. below

D'riss, on May 4 2009, 08:31 PM, said:

Shadow, on May 4 2009, 06:58 PM, said:

D'riss, on May 4 2009, 03:37 PM, said:

I imagine that at least half our paired guys are inno, so it's not necessarily best to charge straight in and attack someone on suspicion they're paired.

Why would you even feel the need to speculate about Inno mechanics?

Because if he's right but has found inno then he could be telling all the scum who our healers/finders/guards or whatever are.

edit: brainfart + grammar

Cut most of Part 1 out because I just think it's a lot of grasping at straws, man. It's just as good as any Day 1 misinterpretations or w/e. I did note you are saying that D'riss ignored your question but look at the timestamps. D'riss didn't even respond to Shadow for an hour and a half (Shadow posted a few mins after you).

Part two coming up.....

I appricate that, and the fact you are actually reading if, point remains the same. He was still on (had not left for the day) and responded to Shadow (who posted 4 mintes after me) and ignored my post and subsequent case completely.

True, unless he just skimmed for something that he saw as interesting? Maybe didn't think it was worth responding to unless he started to look like he was arguing, but NOW we're getting in the WIFOM territory. Would he do that b/c he was inno and didn't want to get lynched or b/c he was scum and didn't want to get lynched.

It's actually probably an above average Day 1 case, but I'm not convinced yet.

Of the cases so far, I'm buying Korvelain's case the most. The ignoring of the question is imo, the best that we have so far. Hard to think he'd spot one and not the other.

The other's I'm interested in are Ruse and Telas.

Vote D'riss.

[Fener]

Whoopsie.

Vote D'riss.