[Meanas]

I'm willing to switch my vote to D'riss, as the whole Shadow thing doesn't seem to have been considered by many - my fault probably, too many different strands in there. Might make a clearer case on him if I decide it's worth pursuing later and depending on how night/night repurcussions go. But yeah, D'riss is as good as anybody to me, and better than most as Korv at least has a coherent though not exactly convincing case. Still, we might just get lucky/Korv turns out to be a genius.

[Korvalain]

You know what kinda bothers me? I have been on and off most of the day, and there have ben 8,10 even 12 people on at one time, yet only 3 or 4 posting during that time. Sure some leave thier browsers on (I do) but I've noticed that after a while it will log you out of the Users viewing part. (I get that by being Path-Shaper and hitting refresh to see that someone has said PS is on now, when in fact my browser was there on that page the whole time so I don't have to back-track). We should have a game were everyone logs in as visible, and keep everyone honest. Sorry, just wanted to rant a little at the lack of discussion happening right now, and a time count would be nice.

[Korvalain]

Meanas, on May 5 2009, 02:48 PM, said:

I'm willing to switch my vote to D'riss, as the whole Shadow thing doesn't seem to have been considered by many - my fault probably, too many different strands in there. Might make a clearer case on him if I decide it's worth pursuing later and depending on how night/night repurcussions go. But yeah, D'riss is as good as anybody to me, and better than most as Korv at least has a coherent though not exactly convincing case. Still, we might just get lucky/Korv turns out to be a genius.

Well, we knew I was a genius when I decrypted that code that Sil made!

[Meanas]

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 07:50 PM, said:

Meanas, on May 5 2009, 02:48 PM, said:

I'm willing to switch my vote to D'riss, as the whole Shadow thing doesn't seem to have been considered by many - my fault probably, too many different strands in there. Might make a clearer case on him if I decide it's worth pursuing later and depending on how night/night repurcussions go. But yeah, D'riss is as good as anybody to me, and better than most as Korv at least has a coherent though not exactly convincing case. Still, we might just get lucky/Korv turns out to be a genius.

Well, we knew I was a genius when I decrypted that code that Sil made!

Haha, yep definitely! Best. Mafia. Play. Ever!

[Omtose]

Right, I'm trying to read up and watch the Man U game at the same time... and tea will be ready soon.

So bear with me, I'll be back in a bit.

[Tellan]

I'm not sure I've seen a Day 1 case pushed quite this hard, I've reread it 2 or 3 times now and it still reads like a circle jerk to me. I don't think my vote on Mockra is going to get traction although it feels like he should be punished for just bad inno play or good symp play. I still like the Ruse "slip/signal" plus his subsequent stink-palming half the players case. I think Silanah could be voted off on fail-boat alone including (logging in vis/lurking, unvoting before we got to 10 [which is 1 for using unvote and 2 for not getting to 10] and getting caught playing tummy sticks).

Remove Vote

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 7 hours and 23 minutes remaining

24 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Silanah, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

13 votes to lynch, 12 votes to go to night

1 vote for Galain: ( Silanah )
1 vote for Omtose: ( Barghast )
1 vote for Shadow: ( Meanas )
2 votes for Meanas: ( Omtose, Tennes )
1 vote for Telas: ( Kessobahn )
2 votes for Silanah: ( Galain, Gamelon )
1 vote for Ruse: ( Serc )
6 votes for D'riss: ( Korvalain, Ruse, Shadow, Telas, Anomandaris, Fener )

Players not voted: Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn, Hood's Path, Korlat, Liosan, Mockra, Rashan, Tellan

[D'riss]

Huh must have missed your question Korv, sorry.
As to answering it, well, I sort of did before. I skimmed through the 4-5ish pages that were up by then, and the only name I really saw mentioned multiple times was Silanah. So I focused and figured out that you had implied they were partners. I pointed out that I didn't think it was a good case. Kessobahn replied immediately after I did to reinforce the point that outing inno pairs (even in something as banal as that "slip") was a bad idea.

[Meanas]

I'm also watching the Man U-Arsenal game so will only be on sporadically for the next couple of hours.

[Shadow]

Tellan, on May 5 2009, 11:59 AM, said:

I'm not sure I've seen a Day 1 case pushed quite this hard, I've reread it 2 or 3 times now and it still reads like a circle jerk to me.

Oh, please.

If you're talking about D'riss, it's hardly been pushed at all. That's what, 6 votes in nearly 30 hours? Oh noes! Speed lynch!

When someone's at friggin' L-7 three quarters into the Day, and people start saying "hey, let's slow down a bit," well, that's just lame. And if you're "not sure I've seen a Day 1 case pushed quite this hard," you obviously haven't played many games.

[Korvalain]

D'riss, on May 5 2009, 03:02 PM, said:

Huh must have missed your question Korv, sorry.
As to answering it, well, I sort of did before. I skimmed through the 4-5ish pages that were up by then, and the only name I really saw mentioned multiple times was Silanah. So I focused and figured out that you had implied they were partners. I pointed out that I didn't think it was a good case. Kessobahn replied immediately after I did to reinforce the point that outing inno pairs (even in something as banal as that "slip") was a bad idea.

This still doesn't answer the question D'riss. How was one vote attacking? Kess asked if I was Yellow (outing a paired inno group). You said I was attacking one of those innos, as if you knew for a fact that Sil was innocent. Also, a resonable response to the entire case would be nice. This isn't me pushing, but I do want some answers.

[Tellan]

Shadow, on May 5 2009, 12:03 PM, said:

Tellan, on May 5 2009, 11:59 AM, said:

I'm not sure I've seen a Day 1 case pushed quite this hard, I've reread it 2 or 3 times now and it still reads like a circle jerk to me.

Oh, please.

If you're talking about D'riss, it's hardly been pushed at all. That's what, 6 votes in nearly 30 hours? Oh noes! Speed lynch!

When someone's at friggin' L-7 three quarters into the Day, and people start saying "hey, let's slow down a bit," well, that's just lame. And if you're "not sure I've seen a Day 1 case pushed quite this hard," you obviously haven't played many games.

What do votes have to do with it? I think you are over-reacting which is interesting. You know we aren't going to lynch until at least 3 hours from deadline anyways, likely within the last hour. Again, yes I think Korv is pushing the case pretty hard and again it reads like a big circle jerk. I'll keep an eye on you though.

[D'riss]

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 03:08 PM, said:

D'riss, on May 5 2009, 03:02 PM, said:

Huh must have missed your question Korv, sorry.
As to answering it, well, I sort of did before. I skimmed through the 4-5ish pages that were up by then, and the only name I really saw mentioned multiple times was Silanah. So I focused and figured out that you had implied they were partners. I pointed out that I didn't think it was a good case. Kessobahn replied immediately after I did to reinforce the point that outing inno pairs (even in something as banal as that "slip") was a bad idea.

This still doesn't answer the question D'riss. How was one vote attacking? Kess asked if I was Yellow (outing a paired inno group). You said I was attacking one of those innos, as if you knew for a fact that Sil was innocent. Also, a resonable response to the entire case would be nice. This isn't me pushing, but I do want some answers.

Attacking is, to me, constituted by semi-serious evidence and a vote. Judging by the reactions/posts I had noticed in my gloss over, I figured it was something along those lines. It's apparently a different definition for you.

[D'riss]

As for a full response, give me a couple minutes. Just got home a little bit ago, got some business to do first...



Make of that what you will.

[Tellan]

Tellan, on May 5 2009, 12:11 PM, said:

Shadow, on May 5 2009, 12:03 PM, said:

Tellan, on May 5 2009, 11:59 AM, said:

I'm not sure I've seen a Day 1 case pushed quite this hard, I've reread it 2 or 3 times now and it still reads like a circle jerk to me.

Oh, please.

If you're talking about D'riss, it's hardly been pushed at all. That's what, 6 votes in nearly 30 hours? Oh noes! Speed lynch!

When someone's at friggin' L-7 three quarters into the Day, and people start saying "hey, let's slow down a bit," well, that's just lame. And if you're "not sure I've seen a Day 1 case pushed quite this hard," you obviously haven't played many games.

What do votes have to do with it? I think you are over-reacting which is interesting. You know we aren't going to lynch until at least 3 hours from deadline anyways, likely within the last hour. Again, yes I think Korv is pushing the case pretty hard and again it reads like a big circle jerk. I'll keep an eye on you though.

Also, very interesting you cut out part of my quote while going drama queen. Which of the three are you covering for then Ruse, Mockra or Silanah?

[Shadow]

Tellan, on May 5 2009, 12:18 PM, said:

Also, very interesting you cut out part of my quote while going drama queen. Which of the three are you covering for then Ruse, Mockra or Silanah?

Now who's over-reacting?

I was just pointing out how nonsensical your assertion - that the lynch was moving too fast - was.

[Korvalain]

D'riss, in your skimming from the time I posted my vote and the time you accused me of attacking you missed these 3 posts of mine

Korvalain, on May 4 2009, 06:02 PM, said:

Silanah, on May 4 2009, 10:00 AM, said:

D'riss, on May 4 2009, 02:59 PM, said:

Ruse, on May 4 2009, 09:51 AM, said:

Hello everyone. And what cave do you live in D'riss to have not seen the movie?

I saw the beginning in grade school or something, but I damn well don't remember the details.

Tsk tsk.... Watch it online. I'm going to watch it again tonight with the partner, just to refresh my memory... Make some commitment to your Mafia games!

Just something odd I saw. But worth a vote early day one.

And there was only 15 posts between the time you said I was attacking and the time I posted my vote, 3 of those were me saying it was no big thing. And the others were of everyone else saying, they were pretty sure it was a RL thing, not a slip or signal.

Korvalain, on May 4 2009, 06:09 PM, said:

Maybe. But still. Point stands its an odd use of the term. Worth keeping in mind.

Korvalain, on May 4 2009, 06:13 PM, said:

Korlat, on May 4 2009, 06:09 PM, said:

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 10:02 AM, said:

Silanah, on May 4 2009, 10:00 AM, said:

D'riss, on May 4 2009, 02:59 PM, said:

Ruse, on May 4 2009, 09:51 AM, said:

Hello everyone. And what cave do you live in D'riss to have not seen the movie?

I saw the beginning in grade school or something, but I damn well don't remember the details.

Tsk tsk.... Watch it online. I'm going to watch it again tonight with the partner, just to refresh my memory... Make some commitment to your Mafia games!

Just something odd I saw. But worth a vote early day one.

I was on when he posted that. I thought that it was a reference to his RL. Doesn't really seem all that unusual to me. Wouldn't hurt to keep a watch on what else he says. If we have paired killers then it might have been a signal from a symp. That is really the best that it could be right now. As Meanas says partners would know who each other are even if they can't talk off thread.

Like I said. Its not a major thing. But needed to be pointed out, and I see nothing thus far to vote for other than that. For now, anyway.

[Tellan]

Shadow, on May 5 2009, 12:28 PM, said:

Tellan, on May 5 2009, 12:18 PM, said:

Also, very interesting you cut out part of my quote while going drama queen. Which of the three are you covering for then Ruse, Mockra or Silanah?

Now who's over-reacting?

I was just pointing out how nonsensical your assertion - that the lynch was moving too fast - was.

You still. Show me where I said the lynch is moving too fast, I merely made a statement about how hard someone is pushing a case and you flipped out. My point being that nobody is looking at anything else through continual Korv vs. D'riss battle. You look particularly silly as they are still battling it out in cross-posts with ours.

[D'riss]

My responses are in red.

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 01:04 PM, said:

I know this is redundant. But I don't feel enough thought is being put forward on my suspicions of D'riss. Several people have said its an over reaction, however, I am going to piece together a case, right now its all scattered. Maybe this way it will make more sense. If it is dismissed, I have several others pinging my radar. And can move on, however, I feel pretty certain about D'riss right now.

Part one.

Korvalain, on May 4 2009, 06:13 PM, said:

Korlat, on May 4 2009, 06:09 PM, said:

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 10:02 AM, said:

Silanah, on May 4 2009, 10:00 AM, said:

D'riss, on May 4 2009, 02:59 PM, said:

Ruse, on May 4 2009, 09:51 AM, said:

Hello everyone. And what cave do you live in D'riss to have not seen the movie?

I saw the beginning in grade school or something, but I damn well don't remember the details.

Tsk tsk.... Watch it online. I'm going to watch it again tonight with the partner, just to refresh my memory... Make some commitment to your Mafia games!

Just something odd I saw. But worth a vote early day one.

I was on when he posted that. I thought that it was a reference to his RL. Doesn't really seem all that unusual to me. Wouldn't hurt to keep a watch on what else he says. If we have paired killers then it might have been a signal from a symp. That is really the best that it could be right now. As Meanas says partners would know who each other are even if they can't talk off thread.

Like I said. Its not a major thing. But needed to be pointed out, and I see nothing thus far to vote for other than that. For now, anyway.

Here is my explanation on why I decided to vote Silanah, in my first post. Not overly agressive, not jumping at shadows, just a simple point that not a single person on at that time had mentioned as strange. They just ran with it. SO I pointed it out, and voted accordingly.

D'riss, on May 4 2009, 06:37 PM, said:

Now that I've gotten some food...tbh the case with silanah is far from substantial. Now, my continued hunger (typing as I eat) is probably impairing my judgment, but I'm inclined to leave that as only a last-resort option. Besides that, I imagine that at least half our paired guys are inno, so it's not necessarily best to charge straight in and attack someone on suspicion they're paired.

Here is what set me off. It is typically a scummy thing to discredit someone by alienating the person who put forth the vote. Note the use of the words - far from substantial (I never said it was, in fact in the quote above, I said so myself, but you needed to point out the weakness of the "case"). Also the word "attack". I ask two qotes below this, how one vote and me saying its probably nothing are "attacking".

I responded to this comment/avenue of thought before. My definition of attacking clearly varies from yours, and mine is much more broad. "Far from substantial"...I've become accustomed to that kind of wording since I started writing.

Another thing about this quote is the way you say "you're inclined to leave it as a last resort option." Strikes me as an odd thing to say, especially when you feel that the "case" is so weak.

I had last ate maybe 7 hours prior to that post and was in the process of devouring spaghetti. Now, that's not much of an excuse, but hey, I mistakenly thought it was a hell of a lot bigger than it actually was.

Korvalain, on May 4 2009, 06:52 PM, said:

D'riss, on May 4 2009, 06:37 PM, said:

Now that I've gotten some food...tbh the case with silanah is far from substantial. Now, my continued hunger (typing as I eat) is probably impairing my judgment, but I'm inclined to leave that as only a last-resort option. Besides that, I imagine that at least half our paired guys are inno, so it's not necessarily best to charge straight in and attack someone on suspicion they're paired.

This isn't scummy at all. Coming in and saying my vote is a "case". And then saying that my reasoning is flawed because I mention the remark, thereby discrediting me, and any future reference I make. Kind pisses me off actually. Taking a single vote on a person and turning it into a solid case. Then saying that said case is rubbish.

Remove Vote Vote D'riss

Edit: to bold

Here is were I state just that.

Korvalain, on May 4 2009, 06:54 PM, said:

Also D'riss, If you are still around, how is one vote on someone "attacking"?

Here I ask a question, but get ignored. How do I know ignored? Because you are still on and respond to Shadows question. below

Already responded to a couple posts up.

D'riss, on May 4 2009, 08:31 PM, said:

Shadow, on May 4 2009, 06:58 PM, said:

D'riss, on May 4 2009, 03:37 PM, said:

I imagine that at least half our paired guys are inno, so it's not necessarily best to charge straight in and attack someone on suspicion they're paired.

Why would you even feel the need to speculate about Inno mechanics?

Because if he's right but has found inno then he could be telling all the scum who our healers/finders/guards or whatever are.

edit: brainfart + grammar

So now you think I am revealing pertinent info. Not only is this weak, it contradicts what you just said about my "case" Remember, you said last resort, meaning to me that you would vote on it only if there was nothing better, but if thats the case, why would you feel the need to vote against a paired inno. See contradictions abound.

Vote as in vote to get a lynch in the closing minutes of the day. Generally mafia on this board leads to a last-minute rush for a lynch, and I was merely precluding any coin-flipping antics.

Part 2 coming up.

edit: typo-fix

This post has been edited by D'riss: 05 May 2009 - 07:41 PM

[D'riss]

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 01:13 PM, said:

Part 2

D'riss, on May 5 2009, 10:29 AM, said:

Ruse, on May 5 2009, 10:23 AM, said:

D'riss, on May 5 2009, 06:06 AM, said:

My personal interpretation:

A.Korvalain placed a vote with a peculiar explanation. He claimed that Silanah's "slip" (I quote that because it's nothing close) indicated he had a partner.

B.I noticed this after skimming through several pages, saw that several people mentioned it, an (egregiously) assumed there was legitimate thought/agreement. My remark about it is over-reacting, I guess, and some might construe this post to be the same. I'm unsure how to refute that since this is how I'm accustomed to posting. =/

Afterward, Kessobahn semi-agreed with me. Think about it for a sec: someone pointed out a clue that could lead to an inno pair, a prime target for an NK. The same thing happened last game or the game before I think, and I don't recall it helping anyone.

Korvalain over-reacted (see what I did there?) to my response's phrasing and put a vote on me. Others followed suit.

Shadow voted for me and insisted on mentioning that Silanah was less suspicious than I was. Some have considered that potentially scummy.


Honestly, most of the shit raining down on me at the moment is people blowing up my somewhat exaggerated wording to epic proportions. But hey, you're welcome to reread it and make your own judgments.

(Prepared for huge x-post).

Good god, what a dissembling post. If anything, this makes me happier with my vote. "Someone pointed" and "some considered" ? Way to make it as vague as possible! "several people" "someone" "some might construe"

Then you refer to some prior game, but you're not sure which game and don't bother going into any details. But the one thing you're clear about iin the post is that everyone is "blowing things up" and "exaggeration".

Again, writing style. Just finished writing a research paper last night, sue me.

On the other hand, you want specifics? You, Korvalain, and Shadow have more or less reacted in the exact same way here. As for the prior game, it's either last game or the game before. Seeing as how I got more or less shafted both games, I don't recall exactly which one it was. Someone outed an inno pair, and there was a huge shitstorm stirred up about it.

Now, this class + internet access is over...back, depending on the weather, in 5-8 hours.

Here D'riss lumps me, shadow and Ruse together, because we all think (for different reasons) that he is scummy.

From what I understand, you think I'm scummy for the case you've made. Shadow thinks that I'm scummy for, apparently, the inno-pairing thing, which is included in your case to a degree. I don't recall any posts by him elucidating the logic in my vote beyond that. Ruse dislikes my writing/posting style and considers it scummy; he also thinks I'm trying to deflect from Silanah (implying, I think that I'm his symp. So why vote for me? Isn't it logical to lynch Silanah, see if he's scum, and if he is I'm the subsequent lynch? But in a lot of ways, their 2 reasons for voting me are included in your own case.

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 10:54 AM, said:

D'riss, on May 5 2009, 10:06 AM, said:

My personal interpretation:

A. Korvalain placed a vote with a peculiar explanation. He claimed that Silanah's "slip" (I quote that because it's nothing close) indicated he had a partner. I noticed this after skimming through several pages, saw that several people mentioned it, an (egregiously) assumed there was legitimate thought/agreement. My remark about it is over-reacting, I guess, and some might construe this post to be the same. I'm unsure how to refute that since this is how I'm accustomed to posting. =/

B.Afterward, Kessobahn semi-agreed with me. Think about it for a sec: someone pointed out a clue that could lead to an inno pair, a prime target for an NK. The same thing happened last game or the game before I think, and I don't recall it helping anyone.

C.Korvalain over-reacted (see what I did there?) to my response's phrasing and put a vote on me. Others followed suit.

D.Shadow voted for me and insisted on mentioning that Silanah was less suspicious than I was. Some have considered that potentially scummy.

A. My explanation wasn' peculiar. It stated that of all the things up to that point weren't suspicious, except for the use of the term "partner." I voted. Guess what happened, the thread blew up. As to you skimming several pages and seeing that several people mentioned it. I would like for you to go back and actually read the thread. Korlat said "D'riss should watch it with Silanah's partner." Omtose said "get in line baby". That was all that was said about it. Nothing about the peculiararity, just some jokes. Having said that, were I guessing, I would assume that Korlat was signaling Driss and Silanah that he is there symp. Although thats a stretch.

Already semi-explained, but again, the only name I noticed was Silanah, and it apparently originated from you.

B. But you forgot to think that if little 'ol me could see it, it had to be obvious. Correct me if I',m wrong, but doesn't part A. of your quote say that several others saw it and disregaurded it, as did you. Well, then that means that me bringing it to the fore front didn't actually do any damage, since I wasn't the only one to notice it, right?

My quote part A. doesn't mention that others disregarded it, only that they mentioned it. You were the one who noticed it, and from what I had noticed some comments indicated that it was due to your post.

C. I didn't over-react. You called me basically an idiot for calling out possible paired innos. I just explained that your post was scummy, and voted accordingly.

I said I didn't think it was a good idea; Kesso responded in the next post and promptly did the name-calling for me.

D. This solidifies my point of you being scummy. You have now tried to draw attention to Shadow for his post and a case made by someone else, to get the heat off of you.

At that point you and Shadow were, I think, the only ones with votes + evidence on me. All Ruse had done at that point was accuse me of deflecting (mentioned in further detail above).

Here I respond to his accusations. Thats the secon part. As an addendum to A. I would like to point out that he says I claimed that Silanah's "slip" indicated he had a partner. I never said this. I said his use of the term partner was odd. Thats it. Thats why I think hes scum.

You implied it, which is close enough IMO.

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This post has been edited by D'riss: 05 May 2009 - 07:43 PM