[Serc]

Shadow, on May 5 2009, 10:17 AM, said:

Serc, on May 5 2009, 10:11 AM, said:

It's probably just as shit a case as any other Day 1 case but if you are going to single out Shadow for scumish behavior (and I DO agree that the whole '0 hour nights will speed the game along' comment being mad suspicious)

Anyone who has played a large number of Mafia games with 12 hour Nights will know exactly what I'm talking about. Especially in the larger games, where there might be a decent number of Roles, some of them held by people who take forever to get their damned provisionals in ...

Especially when the Nights continually coincide with my RL free time ...

I thought that this was TMDI 2? Doubt we're going to see a lot of action at night.

Xpost

This post has been edited by Serc: 05 May 2009 - 05:24 PM

[Serc]

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 10:20 AM, said:

Serc, on May 5 2009, 01:11 PM, said:

Okay caught up.
It's probably just as shit a case as any other Day 1 case but if you are going to single out Shadow for scumish behavior (and I DO agree that the whole '0 hour nights will speed the game along' comment being mad suspicious) by trying to pin random stuff on D'riss, I'd say you have to take the next step and see who's throwing as many names out there as possible. So for the time being...

Vote Ruse

I need some explanaition...I may have missed some info. But you say Ruse is singling out Shadow for scumish behavior by trying to pin random stuff on D'riss...yet they are both voting D'riss. I didn't think it was Ruse who started the whole Shadow looks scummy cause of that statement , thing. I thought he agreed with whoever said it. Shit clarify this, I am confused.

Sorry my post was a response to Meanas more than anything.

Meanas builds the first 'big' case on Shadow I've read. Yeah other ppl have said shit but Meanas tries to form it together.

I'm just saying that if Meanas is going to say Shadow is scummy for fingering Driss (and I just have finished reading your cases on Driss, btw), then Meanas should probably also look at Ruse who seems to be quite talkative with everyone.

[Meanas]

@ Korv

I think Serc is referring to this:

Ruse, on May 5 2009, 08:20 AM, said:

Sorry I missed you Omtose, I was cleaning my workspace and not refreshing the browser. (Bad manners, I know)

Korv is being pushy and clutching at straws, but the only way to get info is to push around and see what surfaces. If you manage to push the right person, they could make an error in how they reply, in which case your pushiness has bagged yourself a scum. If I wasn't voting for D'riss, I'd probably be voting for Kesso or Silanah. It may not be a perfect method, but it yields more than trying to figure out whose spam seems out of place.

And before you come back with "you're symping korv" please note that I'm defending the method, not the player.

So as long as we're 'pushing', I want to mention that I don't like Shadow's last comment.

Quote

Well, I'm headed to bed.

So,

Vote D'riss

Something not right with him, I think. Though I'm less suspicious of Silanah, whom D'riss seems willing to deflect to.

That's such a watered down statement about D'riss. It comes off as a hedging "if you guys say so, but I'm not convinced" which makes me suspicious of a scum carefully weighing in on an early lynch train. And in the same breath he does a roundabout defense of Silanah. If D'riss were to be lynched and comes up inno, then I think both Shadow and Silanah look more suspicious.

[Korvalain]

Am i invisible? I make alot of effort presenting a good (IMO) case. No comments. I ask a clarification question. No comment. Sigh.

[Fener]

Rashan, on May 4 2009, 09:17 PM, said:

That Vinizzi he can really fuss.

^speaking of a rhyming sequence within the movie

Rashan, speaking to Telas, who has been rhyming all day.

Telas, on May 4 2009, 09:53 PM, said:

[Aboard Vizzini's boat.]
Inigo: That Vizzini, he can fuss.
Fezzik: Fuss... Fuss... I think he likes to scream at us.
Inigo Montoya: Probably he means no harm.
Fezzik: He's really very short on charm.
Inigo Montoya: You have a great gift for rhyme.
Fezzik: Yes, yes, some of the time.
Vizzini: Enough of that.
Inigo Montoya: Fezzik, are there rocks ahead?
Fezzik: If there are, we'll all be dead.
Vizzini: No more rhymes now, I mean it!
Fezzik: Anybody want a peanut?
Vizzini: [screams in frustration]

Felt this was appropriate

Nobody has pointed this out, so I thought I would. Perhaps Telas finding his symp?

Meanas, on May 5 2009, 05:33 PM, said:

Shadow, on May 5 2009, 04:31 PM, said:

Meanas, on May 5 2009, 08:10 AM, said:

I'm trying a new way of approaching Day 1. Other ways have been tried, and as we all know, they all tend to result in an inno death. Yes, of course, this could very easily be the same, but I don't believe trying something new is all that bad.

A huge bunch of lengthy cases makes sense after a couple of days worth of behavior to analyze.

On Day 1 ... it just looks like you're trying to deflect attention from someone or something. Makes me a lot more confident about my D'riss vote. Though I still think he'll come up Inno, as I see him as only a Symp.

They're not cases. They're pattern analyses. I decided to show you all my train of thought because I felt you might actually consider it all more suspicious if I just came out and said "right, I did a bunch of stuff, and I came up with Shadow. Vote Shadow".

How is a pattern analysis different than a case if you then use it to vote for someone? Could you explain the difference please, Meanas?

Edit: Some stuff going down since I've been reading. Need to read these comments.

[Gamelon]

Silanah, on May 5 2009, 06:10 PM, said:

@ Meanas:

You've taken the number of posts people have, done a pseudo-mathematical approach to picking targets, picked on a few things (the rodent of unusual size was used during the Princess Bride day by Shinrei, iirc, so its not an unusual thing to remember, yet you seem to find it very specific, and still claim to not have seen it... That was just going around in circles. It's Day One, so posts are bound to suffer from a lack of content; look at my first few posts for God's sake.
I have had some wine today, so expect this counter-argument to be a little bit over the place, btw.
You are excluding Korvalain because his posting content wasn't average? I disagree. In fact, I find that his posts have been no more or less valuable than anyone elses. Because of this ridiculous attempt to finger half a dozen people, I'm tempted to label one or two as PI, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was the plan.
A flimsy case like this stands up to no examination, but if, by chance, one of these people is lynched and they come up scum, you can clear youself slightly by having "suspected" them earlier.
I'm going to vote Gamelon, because you seem to be excluding him for jumping about and not being sure whether to place a vote on Ruse or not; I've so far seen nothing from Ruse that has drawn my eye that much, whereas I dislike Gamelon's style already.
Vote Gamelon
Because of the argument you made, because he isn't standing by his own arguments, because I think he's jumping around, which I find suspicious.

omgus.

i had my vote on ruse and he answered my argument, you though have people defending you and korvalain making a ridiculous case which caused a shitstorm all resulting from a single vote on you. I havent jumped around at all so you voting me for that reason seems like desperation

i am getting happier with my vote every time you post.

[Korvalain]

Cross posts make me look silly.

[Meanas]

Look above you Korv

As for your case, it's the most coherent one so far. I shall think over it, but I like my feeling on Shadow.

[Korvalain]

Gamelon, on May 5 2009, 01:28 PM, said:

Silanah, on May 5 2009, 06:10 PM, said:

@ Meanas:

You've taken the number of posts people have, done a pseudo-mathematical approach to picking targets, picked on a few things (the rodent of unusual size was used during the Princess Bride day by Shinrei, iirc, so its not an unusual thing to remember, yet you seem to find it very specific, and still claim to not have seen it... That was just going around in circles. It's Day One, so posts are bound to suffer from a lack of content; look at my first few posts for God's sake.
I have had some wine today, so expect this counter-argument to be a little bit over the place, btw.
You are excluding Korvalain because his posting content wasn't average? I disagree. In fact, I find that his posts have been no more or less valuable than anyone elses. Because of this ridiculous attempt to finger half a dozen people, I'm tempted to label one or two as PI, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was the plan.
A flimsy case like this stands up to no examination, but if, by chance, one of these people is lynched and they come up scum, you can clear youself slightly by having "suspected" them earlier.
I'm going to vote Gamelon, because you seem to be excluding him for jumping about and not being sure whether to place a vote on Ruse or not; I've so far seen nothing from Ruse that has drawn my eye that much, whereas I dislike Gamelon's style already.
Vote Gamelon
Because of the argument you made, because he isn't standing by his own arguments, because I think he's jumping around, which I find suspicious.

omgus.

i had my vote on ruse and he answered my argument, you though have people defending you and korvalain making a ridiculous case which caused a shitstorm all resulting from a single vote on you. I havent jumped around at all so you voting me for that reason seems like desperation

i am getting happier with my vote every time you post.

To all who care (i.e. no one) It wasn't a case. It was a statement that showed how odd the use of a single word was. That caused a shitstome, etc. I hammer this through, because that means every single point made must be seen as a case, and thats just silly.

[Meanas]

@ Fener

Because the people who's posts I looked at I did so not from the perspective of trying to find something suspicious in them, just to show what kind of content they've been posting. After that, the only real 'case' I made was on Shadow, whom I voted for.

[Korvalain]

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 01:28 PM, said:

Cross posts make me look silly.

Meanas, on May 5 2009, 01:28 PM, said:

Look above you Korv

As for your case, it's the most coherent one so far. I shall think over it, but I like my feeling on Shadow.

You look silly too.

[Fener]

Meanas, on May 5 2009, 07:31 PM, said:

@ Fener

Because the people who's posts I looked at I did so not from the perspective of trying to find something suspicious in them, just to show what kind of content they've been posting. After that, the only real 'case' I made was on Shadow, whom I voted for.

Okay, I guess that makes a kind of sense. Just seemed a bit confusing because of that. Thanks.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 8 hours and 47 minutes remaining.

24 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Silanah, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

13 votes to lynch, 12 votes to go to night

1 vote for Gamelon ( Silanah )
1 vote for Omtose: ( Barghast )
2 votes for Meanas: ( Omtose, Tennes )
1 vote for Telas: ( Kessobahn )
2 votes for Silanah: ( Galain, Gamelon )
4 votes for D'riss: ( Korvalain, Ruse, Shadow, Telas )
1 vote for Shadow ( Meanas )
1 vote for Mockra ( Tellan )
1 vote for Ruse ( Serc )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Anomandaris, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Hood's Path, Korlat, Liosan, Mockra, Rashan

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 05 May 2009 - 05:38 PM

[Serc]

Here are Ruse's posts in reverse order over the last 5 hours. I'm going to Underline every time he directly talks TO or ABOUT another player by name. Ya all of his posts are responses TO someone, so I'm just showing the cases he says someone's name directly (not quoting so i can put it in one post)

Wait, barghast - can you explain? I'll look back through Emurlahns posts, but if you can state what you see I'd like to know what you're thinking.

Ok, I looked back to Emur's posts (quick because there are only 4 or5) and I have no idea what led you to that conclusion.
'splain please!

Ok, maybe.
But, Omtose's vote is at 8:34. Emurlahn's is ALSO at 8:34. That's an awfully fast backup post. The wording makes it sound like they posted independent annoyance at the rhyming. That's a very fast symp if true.

I'll take that as a vote of confidence.
edit: cross post with amp

I'm here. And how has this Day 1 been any more pathetic than other Day 1's? (direct response to amp from previous xpost)

I'm not gonna lie, but Meanas is on to something. That's honestly why Shadow tripped my wires. Looking forward to what you come up with!
Has there been a drunk killer tripped on day 1? I don't remember. :smileswaitingly: (direct response to Galain)

Galain, that bascially answered my question. Tellan ,I'm all about applying pressure.

And what's your problem with Shaft? The original is camp gold. GOLD!
Shut yo mouth!
Just talkin' bout Shaft.
Then we can diggit.
And Hood's Path took the weakest path. Weak! And here we went all out to lambast the lukewarm posts. :dissapointed:

Good god, what a dissembling post. If anything, this makes me happier with my vote. "Someone pointed" and "some considered" ? Way to make it as vague as possible! "several people" "someone" "some might construe"
Then you refer to some prior game, but you're not sure which game and don't bother going into any details. But the one thing you're clear about iin the post is that everyone is "blowing things up" and "exaggeration". (response to D'riss about vote)

I agree, with the side note that if you (D'riss) are inno, then Shadow looks bad IMO. Just trying to gage info here, and your direct rebuttal to my point raises further questions. You don't remember which game outed a pair of innos, but YOU DO KNOW that you were shafted both games. Pulling for sympathy? That's the second time you've subtly disassembled in your posted defense.

looks like dissasembling. I was quoting YOU (Shadow) to show that I agree with the statment in quotes (i.e. you pointing out that D'riss was speculating on inno pairs)

Korv, it sounds like you don't like D'riss, but are voting Silanah. Maybe I'm a moron, (and I've read over your previous explanation) but I'm still not getting why you are voting Silanah and not D'riss, especially after your last post.

Sorry Korv, after double checking with PS's post, I see you're voting for D'riss. That's why I was confused.

"I'm a member of the moron squad." "You ARE the moron squad." (response to Korv about misunderstanding)

I screwed up the formatting mid-post a bit but if you look at the underlined names, he directly mentions the following people:
Barg
Emur
Omtose
Ampelas
Meanas
Shadow
Galain
Tellan
Hood's Path
D'riss
Korvalian
Silanah

Some of these people he only mentions in passing (like HP), but I've never seen anyone try to be 'in the discussion' so much when there are so many people around. He's talking to/about half the players!

Going to reread Driss case now for Korv's ego's sake > <

[Galain]

Wow, it seems putting back the reasons I vote Silanah together in one post really got things starting

Why do people still comment about that "partner" comment by Silanah and explain he meant it as a RL thing? Of course I know that, that's not the reason I vote Silanah.

[Korvalain]

Serc, on May 5 2009, 01:42 PM, said:

Going to reread Driss case now for Korv's ego's sake > <

Thanks. As to the rest. Umm, you think Ruse is the symp, why are you not looking for his master. Also, simple irony here, but last game, we lynched people based on who they didn't talk about or mention, now you are going after Ruse for talking about everyone. just funny to me.

[Omtose]

Guys, just gonna post my thoughts as I catch up. Many many posts to read

Gamelon, on May 5 2009, 09:41 AM, said:

odd to say the least, i barely get "maf..." in that part of my screen. You do not think it odd that you would reference this though when the main baddie is the prince? If someone else brought it up, what would you think?

You know, I was wondering what the fuck all this "my tab" thing was about, and now I get it. That post of Ruse's definitely sounds like a signal (talking about "The Prince" and Machiovelli (however the hell you spell that))

Seriously could be an amazing catch. Ok, still catching up

[Meanas]

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 06:48 PM, said:

Serc, on May 5 2009, 01:42 PM, said:

Going to reread Driss case now for Korv's ego's sake > <

Thanks. As to the rest. Umm, you think Ruse is the symp, why are you not looking for his master. Also, simple irony here, but last game, we lynched people based on who they didn't talk about or mention, now you are going after Ruse for talking about everyone. just funny to me.

Well, also, Shadow last game talked about absolutely everyone and was almost lynched for it several times - he was inno, though somewhat misguided.

[Galain]

My case on Silanah is indeed rubbish, since on day 1 there's little information besides the analysis of the few posts players made. There's no lynch train, CF, etc to go for. All I'm saying is that strange things happened from a few players after Korvalain put his posts, and that's one interpretation of why.

Which bring me to

@Korvalain:

I agree with what you say about D'riss. It relates to what I say about Korvalain. However, if this interpretation of events is right, then Silanah is a killer and D'riss is either his partner or his symp, so I prefer to vote Silanah. Either you dismiss the whole thing as coincidence/bad interpretation, or you agree with that.

Or do you think D'riss could have behaved like that with Silanah being inno?

[Meanas]

Hello Silanah! I seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!