[RodeoRanch]

I wonder if Derek and crew were brainwashed by the machines. What happened in that basement where the creepy music was playing?


And Cameron definitely has some secretes of her own.

[QuickTidal]

RodeoRanch;260896 said:

I wonder if Derek and crew were brainwashed by the machines. What happened in that basement where the creepy music was playing?

As for the basement.....I have a theory. They were copying the bodies of the soldiers, including Derek....so they can infiltrate the resistance with Terminators that resemble soldiers. Just a guess.

[paladin]

considering that reese knew that cameron was a terminator in the hideout and his irrational fear of her, i imagine that she performed some type of torture on him in the piano music scene

cameron has been acting erratically from the start, so i assume there will be some sort of major problem ahead dealing with her and i think that john will have to correct the situation while reese and sarah try to kill cameron, creating strife between the characters

or, going downstairs they met the blair witch.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

RodeoRanch;260896 said:

I wonder if Derek and crew were brainwashed by the machines. What happened in that basement where the creepy music was playing?


And Cameron definitely has some secretes of her own.

I think they gave up the location of the hideout that got attacked.

I don't think they are being copied, because the terminators wouldn't have let them go. It could blow their disguise. Why did they get let go is the real question. Maybe there's some sort of tracking device or something planted in them. I think the two issues are related.

[Aptorian]

When paramedic boyfriend is checking out Reese he notes that there's old burns and stuff on the body. I think it was simple torture for information going on in the basement.

I have to say, I'm not unimpressed with Austin Greens acting, he pulls off the eratic, damaged soldier role well.

[QuickTidal]

Aptorian;261010 said:

When paramedic boyfriend is checking out Reese he notes that there's old burns and stuff on the body. I think it was simple torture for information going on in the basement.

I have to say, I'm not unimpressed with Austin Greens acting, he pulls off the eratic, damaged soldier role well.

I agree. I was frightened that we were going to have to endure David Silver all over again......but clearly he can handle this role and I find him quite believable.

[Gem Windcaster]

Yeah, good acting from all involved again. I am impressed by the story so far. Some mystery and depth - I like it.

[Aptorian]

Here's a new topic for discussion:

How does that "you can't bring anything through the timebuble" thing actually work?

Humans have to go naked. But what if they have a foreign object inside them like a artificial hip? And why do robots, who are made up out of a thousand parts, not go into pieces in the time buble?

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Aptorian;261010 said:

When paramedic boyfriend is checking out Reese he notes that there's old burns and stuff on the body. I think it was simple torture for information going on in the basement.

I have to say, I'm not unimpressed with Austin Greens acting, he pulls off the eratic, damaged soldier role well.

But if it was simple torture, why would the Terminators let them go? Why not kill them after the interrogation, unless there's a plot afoot?

I've wondered about how the machines get through the bubble myself. I think the solution is to not think about it, because there isn't a satisfactory answer.

[paladin]

Raymond Luxury Yacht;261898 said:

But if it was simple torture, why would the Terminators let them go? Why not kill them after the interrogation, unless there's a plot afoot?

I've wondered about how the machines get through the bubble myself. I think the solution is to not think about it, because there isn't a satisfactory answer.

killing them doesnt give them a chance to reinterrogate them at a later time. easier for someone to shutup and die rather than live as a POW. The machines are intelligent and they adapt and learn. Hell, Arnold had psychology built in. a hard man will give information more easily through much torture and suffering. the promise of a quick death wont necessarily be beneficial

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

paladin;261930 said:

killing them doesnt give them a chance to reinterrogate them at a later time. easier for someone to shutup and die rather than live as a POW. The machines are intelligent and they adapt and learn. Hell, Arnold had psychology built in. a hard man will give information more easily through much torture and suffering. the promise of a quick death wont necessarily be beneficial

True, but they didn't just escape, they were released. Why? If they had given up all the info they knew, they were useless to the Ts, (for brevity's sake from now on I will refer to the Terminators as "Ts") and so should have been killed rather than allowed to return to the resistance and continue fighting. if they had not yet given up all info, the Ts would have continue to hold them, so as to be able to eventually get it. IMHO, the only way to explain why they would be released by an enemy dedicated to the extermination of the human race is that there is some greater plot involved. We just don't know it yet.

[paladin]

all i know is that somehow all of the machines were gone, a hatchet was on the floor(after they just patched it up too), and there were no signs of battle. sounds like something happened that wasnt "supposed" to

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

I get the feeling all will be explained. Hopefully no one has figured out what will actually happen because it's so crazy and unpredictable. That would be sweet.

[RodeoRanch]

Season finale next week? Sonofabitch.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

What happened in the first half hour tonight? I saw the last half, not the first though.

[Aptorian]

In the first half hour the good terminator creates a city wide black out and infiltrates a policestation to find a hand that one the bad terminators lost. Sarah breaks into FBI guys house and steals some of his evidence, a video of her in the nuthouse. John see's it and becomes all "boo hoo, my momma used to be crazy". Meanwhile Derek is learning to live by the rules of Sarahs house but has big problems with the terminator.

I liked how the terminator just left the russians to die after she finished her primary objective and how it was mirrored by Sarah saving the FBI guy after she got the hand. It's obvious by know the series likes to compare these opposing traits of man and the machine. And then in the end, as the narrator says, what if the machines finally master the mysteries of the human nature? Derek was pretty unsettled by watching a machine dancing for it's own amusement.

I have to say though, for a 40 minute series, nothing much ever really happens.

[paladin]

i think derek was unsettled because of something else

that same music(or very similar) was playing when derek was taken to be interrogated. you never see who interrogates him. after the interrogation the terminators disappear and the rebel hideout is hosed while derek acts like he did something wrong. later, derek identifies the terminator at the new base and in a short conversation when another terminator goes bad, cameron tells derek that "sometimes they go bad", which, to me, is a double entendre stating that yes, terminators go bad, but, also, humans can go bad. the "i know what you are" crap at the end of last episode added onto it as well. basically, i think cameron was the one that did the interrogation/torture, got the information on the base, killed everyone, then was reprogrammed but still has her memory(just like arnold still has his memory of killing john in t3). derek has an irrational hatred of her, so that only reinforces it

[Gem Windcaster]

I like this show more and more. I am hoping Derek is the bad one and Cameron is the good one.

[tharinock]

This is actually much better than I thought. At first one thinks that this is just a series designed to capitalize off of an old sci0fi movie and it will probably be crap, but it actually turned out to be good. I guess it has happened before. Look at Stargate. Originally a sci-fi film, years later they make a tv series, and now sg-1 is cancelled after 10 seasons and breaking the world record for longest running sci-fi show (most episodes), has a spinoff series, they are coming out with 2 movies, another spinoff series, and a mmorpg.

[Tiste Simeon]

I have seen the first two episodes (or what I am assuming are the first two episodes - saw the second one last night on Virgin 1 TV.) I am really enjoying it. I think the actors all play their roles well, and Summer Glau is HAWT!