[Fener]

Mockra, on Apr 26 2009, 07:43 PM, said:

Feel free to vote for me. The case is crap. I've explained things, but you don't want to believe them. Fair enough.

But, I'm also quite sick of the bully-pulpit attitude. I was suspicious of the random insta-case on day two. Switching back to me immediately, for no better reason than I vote for someone before going to bed to feel somewhat worthwhile to the game is dumb.

Vote Fener.

An interesting contrast to your earlier, more wishy-washy attitude. And one of the most blatant OMGUS votes i've seen for a while.

Yeah. You're guilty.

[Meanas]

Is it just me that is worried about Shadow?

[Omtose]

Fener, on Apr 26 2009, 12:55 PM, said:

Mockra, on Apr 26 2009, 07:43 PM, said:

Feel free to vote for me. The case is crap. I've explained things, but you don't want to believe them. Fair enough.

But, I'm also quite sick of the bully-pulpit attitude. I was suspicious of the random insta-case on day two. Switching back to me immediately, for no better reason than I vote for someone before going to bed to feel somewhat worthwhile to the game is dumb.

Vote Fener.

An interesting contrast to your earlier, more wishy-washy attitude. And one of the most blatant OMGUS votes i've seen for a while.

Yeah. You're guilty.

Lol! So first you make a case based almost entirely on the fact that he won't commit to anything and vote, you don't like that he's whishy washy, then he votes and you're still not happy! Perhaps that has something to do with the fact that he's voting for you! Would your reaction be the same if he had voted for someone else?

[Fener]

Omtose, on Apr 26 2009, 07:54 PM, said:

It's very convenient that you chose to just clip this tiny portion of what I said and make it seem like the whole intent of my post was to defend Mockra. In fact a good portion of the post had to do with your behaviour as a whole over the course of the game, than Mockra himself, but you ignored that completely. No I did not like your case not because it was specifically about Mockra but because there was very little to go on.

Your posts seemed pretty clearly designed to defend Mockra and attack the person attacking Mockra, which is also a way of defending someone. So I don't think I misinterpreted you. Whether you did so from an honest view of the case or from a desire to protect your partner/master is an open question.

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Why not post a decent defense rather than a one liner in which you try to make things seem like more than they really are.

A defence to what accusations? Being aggressive? Making cases? Making cases earlier in the day than anyone else? Pushing my cases?

I'm guilty of all those things.

[Ampelas]

Hmmm...interesting turn of events you guys have had here. I'll be catching up from the last lynch/morning scene.

[Omtose]

Meanas, on Apr 26 2009, 12:58 PM, said:

Is it just me that is worried about Shadow?

I will go take a closer look at shadow now. Maybe if you spelled out the reason you were voting for him, it would give others a bit better understanding. I get what you were saying but it might not be that obvious to other people.

[Meanas]

Omtose, it gets pretty clear if you follow Shadow's and mine conversation.

[Omtose]

Fener, on Apr 26 2009, 01:00 PM, said:

Omtose, on Apr 26 2009, 07:54 PM, said:

It's very convenient that you chose to just clip this tiny portion of what I said and make it seem like the whole intent of my post was to defend Mockra. In fact a good portion of the post had to do with your behaviour as a whole over the course of the game, than Mockra himself, but you ignored that completely. No I did not like your case not because it was specifically about Mockra but because there was very little to go on.

Your posts seemed pretty clearly designed to defend Mockra and attack the person attacking Mockra, which is also a way of defending someone. So I don't think I misinterpreted you. Whether you did so from an honest view of the case or from a desire to protect your partner/master is an open question.

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Why not post a decent defense rather than a one liner in which you try to make things seem like more than they really are.

A defence to what accusations? Being aggressive? Making cases? Making cases earlier in the day than anyone else? Pushing my cases?

I'm guilty of all those things.

My post was actually a continuation of the first post I had made for the morning, as well as the case I made from the day before. I stated that I noticed you were the first one to vote someone once again and that I thought you were being aggressive. I was however willing to look at your case in the event that it had merit and you weren't being overly aggressive. I read it and there was very little there so I confirmed my earlier statements as well as justifying my reasons behind not buying your case. That is very different than the whole thing being about defending Mockra.

[Fener]

Omtose, on Apr 26 2009, 07:59 PM, said:

Lol! So first you make a case based almost entirely on the fact that he won't commit to anything and vote, you don't like that he's whishy washy, then he votes and you're still not happy! Perhaps that has something to do with the fact that he's voting for you!

I'm not happy, no. I think Mockra's clearly got more worked up about my case than I would expect an innocent to, hence the change in attitude. Given that Mockra has a decent number of defenders, and only 1 person attacking, I wouldn't expect him to get that worked up.

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Would your reaction be the same if he had voted for someone else?

Obviously not, as that wouldn't be OMGUS, would it?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 18 hours and 41 minutes remaining

20 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

11 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night

1 vote for Mockra: ( Fener)
1 vote for Shadow: ( Meanas)
2 votes for Fener: ( Mockra, Omtose)

Players not voted: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Kessobahn, Korlat, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

[Korlat]

Well Im only here briefly but I don't see much merit in the Mockra case.. I would prefer to lynch Fener for his attacking anything that moves...
Don't know what the hell Meanas is on about... don't really have time to read up about it right now.
Ill be back in a few hours.

[Omtose]

Okay I read the conversation, I can see why you're worried about him being Fener's sypm. Just let me go back and take a look at his posts throughout the whole game to see if there are any more instances that could be added. I'm not completely sure but from what I've read I'm guessing the other part you're worried about is the fact that he may have pointed out a set of paired innos for all to see....yes?

[Meanas]

Omtose, on Apr 26 2009, 09:21 PM, said:

Okay I read the conversation, I can see why you're worried about him being Fener's sypm. Just let me go back and take a look at his posts throughout the whole game to see if there are any more instances that could be added. I'm not completely sure but from what I've read I'm guessing the other part you're worried about is the fact that he may have pointed out a set of paired innos for all to see....yes?

That pretty much sums it up yes.


Edit: actually I'm starting to wonder if Fener is Shadow's symp, not the other way around.

This post has been edited by Meanas: 26 April 2009 - 07:24 PM

[Ampelas]

Alright, first

vote Fener

I said that if he kept acting out the way he was, pushing cases that had no merit just that little bit too hard, etc, I'd vote him. Well he did, so I kept my promise.

Second, I spotted something about Fener and another player that piqued my interest. Its something I've never seen before, and suggested to me a symp signalling, but with paired roled innos, I'll wait until I see Fener's CF before risking an outing.

[Ampelas]

For now, I'm gonna return to Starcraft, but I'll keep the browser open and check in regularly.

[Omtose]

Meanas, on Apr 26 2009, 01:23 PM, said:

Omtose, on Apr 26 2009, 09:21 PM, said:

Okay I read the conversation, I can see why you're worried about him being Fener's sypm. Just let me go back and take a look at his posts throughout the whole game to see if there are any more instances that could be added. I'm not completely sure but from what I've read I'm guessing the other part you're worried about is the fact that he may have pointed out a set of paired innos for all to see....yes?

That pretty much sums it up yes.


Edit: actually I'm starting to wonder if Fener is Shadow's symp, not the other way around.

Well it's certainly an interesting theory, and with Fener being so flagrant and garnering all of this attention it would allow Shadow to target people without attracting much attention. I'll take a look at it in a bit, still going through Shadow's posts in regards to his being Fener's symp at the moment.

[Fener]

Nobody else is worried by Mockra's OMGUS reaction?

[Serc]

All caught up, Fener seems to be on the top of everyone's lists. I can see where the case is coming from and he has been incredibly aggressive and not completely consistent. I dunno why, but I dont really see him as killer, although I am often wrong bout stuff like that. That said, if he's a symp he's doing an incredibly good job. I'm willing to put down a vote for him, mainly because he's going to be one of those people that the game revolves around as long as he's alive.

@ Meanas - I've never seen paired innos be that obvious on thread. Interaction like that couldnt be used as proof of pairing in a reveal (way to coincedental) and paired players are normally careful not to let their pairing show, especially since they have the luxury of communicating off thread. I dont know why you're getting so pissy about Shadow drawing attention to it. I'm not sold on it being a symp signalling his master either, but Shadow has a point in that paired players can code pretty elaborate stuff into their posts early in the game for use later, whereas symps need to try alert their masters as to who they are.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 18 hours and 2 minutes remaining

20 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

11 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night

1 vote for Mockra: ( Fener)
1 vote for Shadow: ( Meanas)
3 votes for Fener: ( Mockra, Omtose, Ampelas)

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Kessobahn, Korlat, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

[Meanas]

Serc, it wasn't obvious until Shadow pointed it out. Secondly, I'm pretty sure that it constitutes as coding, for reveal. It's definitely not communication between symp and master because that would be even less obvious. The only reason anyone would post such codes on thread is if they meant to reveal or possibly fake reveal.


Edit: I'm not saying I am sure of anything about the outed pair here, I am just concerned that Shadow outed them without thinking twice.
Edit: grammar check

This post has been edited by Meanas: 26 April 2009 - 07:59 PM