[Emurlahn]

Also, take note of the 13 hour gap between those 2 posts. By stringing one quote after another, the mind doesn't take into account time differences between each (as opposed to how it would in context). Consequently, you're making it seem like Mockra's jumping back and forth, revealing slips and whatnot. But those 2 posts are on different game days, referring to different trains.

Mockra "ignored" me when there 2 people joke voted me in the beginning of the game (apparently without the proper "vote name" form, since a search for "vote emurlahn" reveals absolutely nothing but one of my own posts). He then proceeded to "defend" me, as you construe it, by pointing out how it was funny that you voted me for hammering when later evidence indicated you were the hammer.


Honestly, your strawmanning is getting dull. You push like hell, Fener, trying to drive the game (despite its obvious lassitude), and proceed to make up half-bullshit cases in the process.

That, combined with your lame excuse for voting me (really? You want a counter-reveal on day ONE for someone who's already at L-1?). Please. How about I play the way you're playing--it's clear your demand for that was a clever ploy to get someone to reveal a role so you could NK them. How's that one?

Vote Fener

edit: formatting so it's less wall-of-text, and x-post with d'riss below.

This post has been edited by Emurlahn: 26 April 2009 - 03:50 PM

[D'riss]

For the last time I was not symping Mockra; it was part of the general nonsense drunken rp. How stupid would I have to be to be that obvious? Go ahead and lynch him if you want, I’ll happily vote that way. If he is scum, great, it’s a team game and I want to get rid of them.

But tell me Fener, why this burning desire to get trains going at the start of every day. Not only that but you are hardly consistent with your choice of victims. You seem to be flapping about just wanting to get anyone lynched ~ either you really are bloodthirsty or you are scum wanting to get lynches done asap. I mean your very first post was a vote (on me as it happens). Then you jump to Mockra, and then Tellan gets it in the neck as Mockra’s evil partner because he happened to comment that you were a tad serious. And then he was disgraceful for not mentioning Mockra by name. Either heavy sarcasm or mighty serious for day 1. Either way really strong stuff.

Then Meanas appears to make a joke case, because you are so serious and wham he’s another person jumping to Mockra’s defence! Followed by another humourless remark about where the case should be made. Next post Meanas is now a fully fledged symp! Then you state you aren’t going to read the posts!! Mockra is next accused of being insane. And then less than half way into day 1, you are pressuring Mockra into voting, when hardly anyone has voted. Then you have a go at Gamelon, Silanah and Korlat in relatively quick succession. You change your vote (again) to Liosan, then you criticise Emur for being the (not) hammer - oh and wasn't he yet another Mockra symp?

So that’s me, Mockra, Meanas, Tellan, Gamelon, Silanah, Korlat, Emurlahn and Liosan that on a quick read through you have had a go at. Muddying the waters or what?

On the other hand, just in the same way I am supposedly guilty of symping Mockra, you seem to have cosied up to Shadow quite a bit. Subtly supporting his case on Liosan and now Mockra, even though he himself said that case was tenuous.

Your behaviour is more scummy with each and every post.

(I haven’t included all the posts as there are too many.)


Edit: cross post with Emur

This post has been edited by D'riss: 26 April 2009 - 03:48 PM

[Fener]

Emurlahn, on Apr 26 2009, 04:40 PM, said:

Um I might have missed something in your case but did you just build a symp link between me and mockra based on the fact that he didn't mention a train on me consisting of 2 joke votes?

Given that Mockra mentioned everyone else with votes on them? Yeah, I find it a bit odd.

Mockra also defended you from my earlier case on you, and you said nothing constructive about my earlier Mockra case. So it's more of a partnership than a symp connection, IMO. I think the connection is there, but I also think that Mockra would look pretty bad even without it.

[Emurlahn]

I imagine we're in x-post heaven right now, so I'm going to take a quick lunch break.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 21 hours and 44 minutes remaining

20 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

11 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night

1 vote for Mockra: ( Fener)
1 vote for Fener: ( Emurlahn)

Players not voted: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Galain, Gamelon, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

[Fener]

D'riss, on Apr 26 2009, 04:47 PM, said:

So that’s me, Mockra, Meanas, Tellan, Gamelon, Silanah, Korlat, Emurlahn and Liosan that on a quick read through you have had a go at. Muddying the waters or what?

I poke people and see what happens. It isn't muddying the waters, it's gaining information.

And I seem to get the strongest negative reactions when I make a case on Mockra. So i'm very happy with my case.

By the way, some of my attacks that you don't like were not entirely serious. My refusal to read 200 drunken posts was a joke (but emphasised how useless I thought those posts were), i'd have been silly not to at least skim them. Calling Tellan disgraceful was indeed heavy sarcasm. And calling him Mockra's evil partner was semi-serious. Those posts are nowhere near as strong as you're making out, and in my experience they'd usually get laughed off. But those posts have certainly got a reaction from you.

This post has been edited by Fener: 26 April 2009 - 04:04 PM

[Fener]

Emurlahn, on Apr 26 2009, 04:46 PM, said:

Also, take note of the 13 hour gap between those 2 posts. By stringing one quote after another, the mind doesn't take into account time differences between each (as opposed to how it would in context). Consequently, you're making it seem like Mockra's jumping back and forth, revealing slips and whatnot. But those 2 posts are on different game days, referring to different trains.

Are you talking about the inconsistency about low posters? Yes, the posts were on different game days, but I don't see why that matters. But they do contradict each other. They suggest that Mockra does not actually believe what he's writing.

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Honestly, your strawmanning is getting dull. You push like hell, Fener, trying to drive the game (despite its obvious lassitude), and proceed to make up half-bullshit cases in the process.

Half-bullshit? So I do have a half a point about Mockra? Which part of my case did you like?

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That, combined with your lame excuse for voting me (really? You want a counter-reveal on day ONE for someone who's already at L-1?). Please. How about I play the way you're playing--it's clear your demand for that was a clever ploy to get someone to reveal a role so you could NK them. How's that one?

Lynching someone before the day has ended without giving them a chance to get back is bad play.

[D'riss]

But what information are you gaining exactly? You can't honestly believe every one you have accused is scum, because that would be daft. And what reaction have you got from me? An analysis of your posts in the same way you have been doing to almost everyone else. I don't see how throw accusations out willy nilly is helping us. Despite your comment it is muddying the waters, because it is confusing. There is no concentration on one case. As it happens I don't really think you are scum, (and if you are I could almost admire your gutsy approach) but I don't admire the way you are throwing out cases left right and centre.

[Emurlahn]

Fener, on Apr 26 2009, 12:08 PM, said:

*snip*

Are you talking about the inconsistency about low posters? Yes, the posts were on different game days, but I don't see why that matters. But they do contradict each other. They suggest that Mockra does not actually believe what he's writing.

*snip*

I'm talking about the 2 consecutive posts where you make it seem like Mockra made slips where he didn't vote for me, then proceeded to vote for me.

I honestly don't like the mockra case much, and admittedly we have very little to go on for any case. I voted for you to prod for a reaction and didn't get what I would've liked (an explosion of rage given your aggressiveness so far, which is always entertaining).
And at that point, it leaves me with, well, nothing. I might do a reread when I get a chance.

remove vote

for now, but I'm still keeping fener in my mind as a last-resort lynch (although the fact that he is generating discussion is a point in his favor).

In the meantime, back to my pizza.

edit: spelling

This post has been edited by Emurlahn: 26 April 2009 - 04:14 PM

[Fener]

D'riss, on Apr 26 2009, 05:14 PM, said:

But what information are you gaining exactly? You can't honestly believe every one you have accused is scum, because that would be daft.

No, not everyone i've accused can be scum. That would be daft.

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And what reaction have you got from me?

From you we have a possible symp clue to Mockra combined with what I see to be an overreaction to my case on Mockra.

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An analysis of your posts in the same way you have been doing to almost everyone else. I don't see how throw accusations out willy nilly is helping us.

It's a million times better than not throwing out accusations. And they're not willy nilly, so far i've accused people I think look bad.

[Shadow]

Hello, sorry I haven't been around for a while. Just read up - no lynch. To be honest, with the way nothing at all was panning out from the day, I'd say that was for the best. I didn't agree with the reasons for voting for Tellann anyway.

Now there's been a lot of pushing and shoving between Fener, Mockra and D'riss. As D'riss said, to leave symp 'clues' as blatant as those would be stupid...but that doesn't mean they aren't, it's happened before.

The qustion is do we keep pushing on what little we've got, the cases and accusations that are already out there, or do we, after two unsuccessful days, go in a different direction and look at someone, like I think Ruse suggested, who hasn't received any attention so far?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 21 hours and 10 minutes remaining

20 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

11 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night

1 vote for Mockra: ( Fener)

Players not voted: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

[Omtose]

Right I just got on I'm going to go read through the Mockra case made by Fener. I notice once again though Fener is the first person to come up with a case and vote. He may just be trying to keep the game going but it still, doesn't sit well with me. Dismissing the idea that he could be scum just because he's so obvious might be a ,istake. there's not much going on right now and I think people are just happy to have suggestions or a case to read so they aren't really questioning his motives. I haven't read his case on Mockra yet though and it may have merit, but I just wanted to point that out.

[Shadow]

Omtose, I think you'll find quite a few people have been questioning Fener's motives. Personally, I don't know whether to agree with that case or not myself. There is something about Mockra's posting (and D'riss') that gets me looking in their direction, but at the same time, I am almost unconsciously now linking the two together every time one of them posts.

Of all the bigger posters though, those two are the ones most on my radar.

But, in an effort to look at a bigger picture, I took a look at Tennes. And this is what I've found. He posted LOADS whilst everyone was RPing drunk, and then as soon as it stopped, he stopped posting. There is not a single post from Tennes since we began playing seriously. Anything in that, do people reckon?

[Ruse]

Shadow, on Apr 26 2009, 09:45 AM, said:

Omtose, I think you'll find quite a few people have been questioning Fener's motives. Personally, I don't know whether to agree with that case or not myself. There is something about Mockra's posting (and D'riss') that gets me looking in their direction, but at the same time, I am almost unconsciously now linking the two together every time one of them posts.

Of all the bigger posters though, those two are the ones most on my radar.

But, in an effort to look at a bigger picture, I took a look at Tennes. And this is what I've found. He posted LOADS whilst everyone was RPing drunk, and then as soon as it stopped, he stopped posting. There is not a single post from Tennes since we began playing seriously. Anything in that, do people reckon?

Hard to say with the weekend. It's sort of the opposite of what I saw in Kessobahn. No drunken RP, a decent sized case first post and an "oh by the way I didn't want to be caught not contributing" second post. Then nothing. Which seems like something a killer late to the party might try and do to blend in.

[Shadow]

@ Ruse

Yes, out of your suspicions of Kesso, and mine of Tennes...I'd probably go with yours for now. At least, I'm willing to wait till after the weekend to see if Tennes shows up with anything.

[Meanas]

I don't find Fener's case on Mockra to be convincing at all. I don't know why Fener is being so pushy, but IGMEOY.

Since Tellan wasn't lynched, maybe we can get some satisfactory answers from him. Shadow, why do I suddenly get the feeling your are symping Fener?

Right now I feel like putting some pressure on the low posters though.


Edit: Prime candidate is Kessobahn. He has two posts.

This post has been edited by Meanas: 26 April 2009 - 05:13 PM

[Shadow]

I don't know, why do you get that feeling? The reason I'm also suspicious of Mockra and D'riss is not because of anything Fener has said, but because of the case I myself made based on D'riss' posts. Now, you can call that case total BS, as it might (maybe even probably) well be, but it still has nothing to do with Fener, other than he made a case on Mockra.

Our suspicions of Mockra come from two different angles. Fener's is based on his reading of Mockra's posts, which I have to say aren't all that convincing. My suspicions of Mockra are based on a reading of things another person, D'riss, has been saying, which you could also say aren't all that convincing.

The criticism I would make of my own case is that it is largely based on something which happened during RP. However, are we to ignore the RP session completely, and just concentrate on the posts once everyone started playing properly, or should we look at them for clues - after all, it's the best phase of the game in which to post clues whilst others aren't concentrating too much - and you can use dodgy wording because everyone else is.

I chose to look at the RP session for possible clues, and that's what I found. It isn't much, it could be nothing at all, but I still don't think I was wrong to look at the RP.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 20 hours and 23 minutes remaining

20 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

11 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night

1 vote for Mockra: ( Fener)

Players not voted: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

[Meanas]

What did you find again?