[Macros]

The times they are a changing.

It's no longer a man's world

[Aptorian]

Watched Spiderman: Homecoming earlier. I liked it, it was good but it didn't blow me away. If you're on the fence about watching it in the cinema, I'd say you could skip it. In comparison to the other Spider films, I'd say its way better than Tobey McGuire Spider-man and a bit better than Garfield Spider-man. However I am also one of the few appears to have liked the Amazing Spider films.

My main issue with the film is also it's most interesting aspect. It's the teenage drama.

I love that they finally did a proper, if modernized, depiction of teenage nerd Spider-man. However the film is also written like your typical teenage "I've got a secret" generic bullshit. I get that it's sort of a part of the character, but I hate hate hate when characters don't know how to lie properly or string together a logical alibi. You can hand wave this by focusing on Parker's age and his innocence but he's been doing this stuff for over a year at the point of Homecoming's events.

Conflict based on lies/misunderstandings is one of my least favorite plot angles, however it's what Parker's life was like for like 20 years in the comics, so go figure.

Generally this felt like a film for teenagers. I might have wished for a bit more Spider-man kicking ass and bit less uncertainty and finding his way. However in terms of telling a teenage "boy spider" story, I think it's a great success.

I loved the ending, it was exactly what I wanted and I hope it sets the tone for future films.

BIG SPOILERS

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Parker turning down the Avengers position was exactly what I hoped for, only I wish Parker had actually ripped into Stark at the end, because him and Happy acted like a couple of assholes the whole film. Parker is a smart kid, he should had gotten agry at some point.

Anyway it's better that way, Spider-man works best alone. His stories should be about him punching above his weight class, struggling through real life situations and bad guys that scare the shit out of him, but always finding some way to win, even if he takes a beating.

Loved that May discovered his identity in the last 5 seconds. Again, I'd much rather explore a Spider-man series where May can support him rather than Parker having to lie every moment of every day.

I really liked Michael Keaton's Vulture, it was a good alternative to The Green Goblin. When he turned out to be Liz father I was impressed that they pulled a fast one on us and remixed the Norman Osborne confrontation with Parker.

Also loved the homage to the various stories in Spider-man's early days, where he gets trapped under debris and has to summon all his strength to break free. I just wish they'd drawn it out a bit and made it more of an internal struggle. It's one of the best moments in the old Spider-man stories.

I was annoyed that they never showed Spider-man's Spider Sense in action. Combined with his ridiculous reaction speed it's his greatest strength. There were several places in the film where it should have kicked in and warned him. I would have loved a scene where, when Parker walks up to Liz's parents door his Spider Sense starts freaking out and then Toombs opens the door.

Anyway, what do we figure a sequel is about? Gargan AKA The Scorpion is teased in the middle of the film. I always loved The Scorpion as a bad guy. I'd like a proper Super-hero vs Super-villain punch fest in the sequel.

This post has been edited by Seduce Goose: 09 July 2017 - 08:34 PM

[WinterPhoenix]

Hopefully seeing Spiderman this coming Tuesday, heard nothing but good things from everyone I know who has seen it, seen alot of praise for Keaton and the portrayal of the Vulture as well.

[Macros]

Went to see spiderman by myself then lifted her and we went to watch THE House.

Spiderman - easily the best spiderman film yet.
I really liked how well they portrayed his youthful naivety.
Keaton is always good, kind of saw the reveal coming, had a feeling about it as early as the party sequence.

Didn't get to see the post credits due to rushing out, will youtube it later. Enjoyable, mid ranking in my Marvel film table.

The House

Funny, not Will ferrells funniest movie, but enough laughs and a few bust out loud moments.
Nice to see so many guys from the league in it. RafI is awesome in dirty grandpa, and just as good in this, but he needs to break away from that character sometime

[QuickTidal]

Seeing SPIDERMAN tonight. Wife is off at her parents with the little one, so I will have a few hours to kill and I don't get out to the movies much these days. Can't wait to see it!

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 10 July 2017 - 12:28 PM

[QuickTidal]

Well that was fantastic! Easily as good (if not slightly better) than the Raimi Spider-man flicks.

I'm glad that Iron Man/Tony Stark’s involvement is not as saturated as some of us thought. They literally just showed you a lot of him in the trailer. He’s only in a few sequences of the movie itself.

Also, skipping the origin story and just referring to it at times? REALLY frees up time to make things move along well.

Tom Holland does both Peter Parker and Spiderman VERY well.

[Silencer]

Just got back from Spider-Man: Homecoming, and gotta say that was pretty much hands-down the best Spider-Man film by a long margin. Not bothering with the origin story worked excellently and kept the plot rolling along much more coherently than any of the other "first" movies, but it still had much better character building and pacing than any of the previous sequels.

Spoiler

Pretty damn happy that we got that whole Liz relationship worked in there - it actually played really well, I thought, for how awkward and sorta forced it was, and I did spend most of the film going "this Liz character is so boring, but that other girl is amazing doing stupid things in the background!", so the "reveal" of her being MJ was great.
Also, the reveal that the Vulture was Liz's dad was done really well and it worked overall without feeling like it should have been obvious.
The end-credits scene in prison pretty much suggests the direction of the next villain as Illy noted.

But yeah, pretty much the whole thing just worked, and I liked all the characters in their roles. But Tom Holland was spot-on and so was the humour, it just played well. All hail Marvel, I guess?

[QuickTidal]

Silencer, on 12 July 2017 - 02:36 PM, said:

Just got back from Spider-Man: Homecoming, and gotta say that was pretty much hands-down the best Spider-Man film by a long margin. Not bothering with the origin story worked excellently and kept the plot rolling along much more coherently than any of the other "first" movies, but it still had much better character building and pacing than any of the previous sequels.

Spoiler

Pretty damn happy that we got that whole Liz relationship worked in there - it actually played really well, I thought, for how awkward and sorta forced it was, and I did spend most of the film going "this Liz character is so boring, but that other girl is amazing doing stupid things in the background!", so the "reveal" of her being MJ was great.
Also, the reveal that the Vulture was Liz's dad was done really well and it worked overall without feeling like it should have been obvious.
The end-credits scene in prison pretty much suggests the direction of the next villain as Illy noted.

It should be noted that:

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Feige, Watts, and Pascal have stated that Michelle is not THE MJ as in Mary Jane Watson. They just took the opportunity to make the reference/comment....and that MJ herself would appear sometime down the line.

Re: post credits:

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I liked how since Peter saved Vulture's life, that his way of thanking Pete was to not divulge his secret to Scorpion. It adds an extra layer to Toombs and makes him ALMOST as solid a villain as Loki is.

[Tiste Simeon]

Not seen a Spiderman film since S3, that awful dance sequence and all. It out me right off forever!

[QuickTidal]

Briar King, on 13 July 2017 - 01:42 AM, said:

Best part imo was

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the integration mode voice. That whole bit was comedy gold. I'm unsure if his suit had AI in the comics at some point so I was thrown off at 1st but if it's movie only it's a nice bow to Stark for sure so I very quickly got over it.

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AFAIK The Iron Spider suit (the one Stark made for him at the end that he didn't take) had the internal AI voice helper and HUD in the comics...but not his regular suit. I think they just decided that since Stark made him his original suit in this story that the AI-addition made more sense than not. Tony Stark doesn't do anything half assed. So while it's KIND of off-comic to do it...it worked fine in my opinion.

I'm just glad that Peter made his own webbing and shooters, and the goggles are based of his design too.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 13 July 2017 - 12:19 PM

[Aptorian]

This is completely unrelated to anything but an idea for a film just struck me.

You know that M. Night Shaman film "Split" that came out earlier this year? The one who has a surprise connection to another film that came out years ago?

What if some studio, like Blumhouse, made a smaller budget horror/thriller about one or more people that are being hunted by a crazy killer. He's already killed several people, including a very public shoot-out that left dozens dead in a city centre. The cops try to stop the guy but he's seemingly impossible to stop and just keeps coming.

At the end of the film, they finally stop him and it's revealed that this guy is a robot. This of course freaks the victims/police the fuck out.

Final scene show an old Linda Hamilton sitting on the porch of an old house, listening to the report on the radio. As she turns off the radio a storm front moves towards the house, casting a shadow over the garden. Have a child come running up to her shouting "Granny, granny, a storm is coming!". She hugs the kid, with a strange look in her eyes and the film ends.

Cue a much more simple reboot of that mistreated film series.

This post has been edited by Seduce Goose: 13 July 2017 - 03:21 PM

[Abyss]

Seduce Goose, on 13 July 2017 - 02:42 PM, said:

This is completely unrelated to anything but an idea for a film just struck me.

You know that M. Night Shaman film "Split" that came out earlier this year? The one who has a surprise connection to another film that came out years ago?

What if some studio, like Blumhouse, made a smaller budget horror/thriller about one or more people that are being hunted by a crazy killer. He's already killed several people, including a very public shoot-out that left dozens dead in a city centre. The cops try to stop the guy but he's seemingly impossible to stop and just keeps coming.

At the end of the film, they finally stop him and it's revealed that this guy is a robot. This of course freaks the victims/police the fuck out.

Final scene show an old Linda Hamilton sitting on the porch of an old house, listening to the report on the radio. As she turns off the radio a storm front moves towards the house, casting a shadow over the garden. Have a child come running up to her shouting "Granny, granny, a storm is coming!". She hugs the kid, with a strange look in her eyes and the film ends.

Cue a much more simple reboot of that mistreated film series.

Minus some of the second season nonsense involving unnecessary additional time travel and Sarah having weird visions, i thought THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES were a totally solid reboot.
I see why the #s fell off and it died, but as a lower tech lower budget solid storytelling of that property, it was pretty entertaining. Moreso than every movie since T2. I'm kind of bummed that we didn't get to see the Skynet civil war that was brewing.
Also, Summer Glau throwing men six times her size through walls was awesome.

The soft sequel thing Shamalayan did was clever... UNBREAKABLE was a great film (and comic homage) that just barely got decent numbers when it was released. Ironically now that MKS has had so many fails, it's recognized as one of his best works, but wow, talk about back-handed compliment. Still, SPLIT generated enough buzz that now a third film with Bruce Willis is likely, so well done.

[QuickTidal]

Seduce Goose, on 13 July 2017 - 02:42 PM, said:

This is completely unrelated to anything but an idea for a film just struck me.

You know that M. Night Shaman film "Split" that came out earlier this year? The one who has a surprise connection to another film that came out years ago?

What if some studio, like Blumhouse, made a smaller budget horror/thriller about one or more people that are being hunted by a crazy killer. He's already killed several people, including a very public shoot-out that left dozens dead in a city centre. The cops try to stop the guy but he's seemingly impossible to stop and just keeps coming.

At the end of the film, they finally stop him and it's revealed that this guy is a robot. This of course freaks the victims/police the fuck out.

Final scene show an old Linda Hamilton sitting on the porch of an old house, listening to the report on the radio. As she turns off the radio a storm front moves towards the house, casting a shadow over the garden. Have a child come running up to her shouting "Granny, granny, a storm is coming!". She hugs the kid, with a strange look in her eyes and the film ends.

Cue a much more simple reboot of that mistreated film series.

This is a DECIDEDLY cool idea...but they'd have to REALLY keep the secret of the reveal. The marketing and everything else could not elude to either the robot twist OR the Connor cameo in the slightest. They'd have to peddle it as a serial killer thriller.

And yeah, that would be a gasp-worthy moment.

[Aptorian]

Abyss, on 13 July 2017 - 03:28 PM, said:

Minus some of the second season nonsense involving unnecessary additional time travel and Sarah having weird visions, i thought THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES were a totally solid reboot.
I see why the #s fell off and it died, but as a lower tech lower budget solid storytelling of that property, it was pretty entertaining. Moreso than every movie since T2. I'm kind of bummed that we didn't get to see the Skynet civil war that was brewing.
Also, Summer Glau throwing men six times her size through walls was awesome.

The soft sequel thing Shamalayan did was clever... UNBREAKABLE was a great film (and comic homage) that just barely got decent numbers when it was released. Ironically now that MKS has had so many fails, it's recognized as one of his best works, but wow, talk about back-handed compliment. Still, SPLIT generated enough buzz that now a third film with Bruce Willis is likely, so well done.

I liked Sarah Conor Chronicles as well. I think the shows major flaw was that they removed most of the shows tension from the start by doing a Time Jump in the first episode or two. What could had been a great "New city, new attack and escape" show, where they always had to keep moving, always trying to stay hidden from multiple machines, actively hunting them across America, instead turned into hide and seek, with weird humanizing the robots scenes. Felt like they missed the whole point of the first two films.

Still, I will always have a place in my heart for that season 1 finale where SWAT moves in to take down the Terminator and Johnny Cash is singing: "There's a man, going 'round, taking names...". Such a fun encounter.

EDIT: Found the clip:



It's actually done a bit cheaply I now realize, but I loved FBI guys realization of what he was up against.

In regard to M. Night's films, of the ones I have seen, except The Happening and oh god The Last Airbender, I think they are all good films. He just has that need to constantly surprise the audience in the dumbest ways. Signs for example was a really cool take on an Alien invasion story... and then it turns out these water phobic Aliens invaded a planet covered in water, etc.

QuickTidal, on 13 July 2017 - 03:47 PM, said:

This is a DECIDEDLY cool idea...but they'd have to REALLY keep the secret of the reveal. The marketing and everything else could not elude to either the robot twist OR the Connor cameo in the slightest. They'd have to peddle it as a serial killer thriller.

And yeah, that would be a gasp-worthy moment.

Yeah, it'd need to be done low key. Make it seem supernatural, show the character shrugging off gun shots, stabbings, bludgenings, etc., like a mix of Michael Meyers and Jason Vorhees but also make it a puzzle why this murder has targetted these seemingly unconnected victims. Toy with the concept of a murderer employing machine logic to dictate its actions.

I think I'd also take the chance to remix the Terminator design. Make it more grotesque under all that synthetic skin than just the cheesy skeleton.

This post has been edited by Seduce Goose: 13 July 2017 - 05:05 PM

[QuickTidal]

That's my fave moment of TSCC as well. GREAT scene!

[polishgenius]

Pfffffffffft The Blacklist used The Man Comes Around better.

(man, I need to catch up on that show)

[Aptorian]

I think that every single American TV-show uses at least 3 Johnny Cash songs over the course of their run. Typically Hurt, Man comes around and God's gonna cut you down.

EDIT: Is Blacklist still running? I gave up around season 2 or 3 I think? The writing was slipping. Reddington went from being a super competent badass in the first season to a sloppy distracted fool. I also got angry at how they wasted "Berlin" as a concept of an enemy in the shadow.

This post has been edited by Seduce Goose: 13 July 2017 - 06:44 PM

[polishgenius]

Seduce Goose, on 13 July 2017 - 06:36 PM, said:

I think that every single American TV-show uses at least 3 Johnny Cash songs over the course of their run. Typically Hurt, Man comes around and God's gonna cut you down.

EDIT: Is Blacklist still running? I gave up around season 2 or 3 I think? The writing was slipping. Reddington went from being a super competent badass in the first season to a sloppy distracted fool. I also got angry at how they wasted "Berlin" as a concept of an enemy in the shadow.

Season 2 wasn't very good. I started season 3 which seemed much more focused but then missed a few episodes and never caught up. Keep meaning to.

It's not just still running, it's got a spinoff starring Tom Keen and Famke Janssen, although that did get cancelled after a season.

[worry]

A Wrinkle In Time trailer:


Looks pretty rad, visually -- looks kinda Tarsem-y, in a good way -- though there are a few moments that seem like modern fantasy movie cliches too. The cast is on point though, and of course the source material is good stuff. I'm officially in the "looking forward to it" camp.

[Tsundoku]

Briar King, on 15 July 2017 - 09:07 PM, said:

When y'all saw Spidey did they play the opening few mins of Valerian for y'all as well?

I hope they don't, Valerian makes me sleepy.



... aaaaaand in completely different news, for those of you who needed an Aladdin live-action reboot:

http://www.news.com....c87906b6bf5daeb

This post has been edited by Tsundoku: 16 July 2017 - 12:00 AM