[Werthead]

wolf_2099, on Apr 2 2009, 09:28 PM, said:

He should have gone with his HD crashing, or being stolen, or a house fire and having the manuscript destroyed.

Or even that virus that was supposed to hit yesterday corrupting everything. At his computer and publishers. Bye bye ADWD.

GRRM is pretty paranoid over the MS situation ever since he nearly did lose a book to computing woes, and most people who read his blog know what precautions he takes. He prints out a full MS of the book in its 'current' form every couple of weeks both for personal use and also to send to his publishers (which is why his editorial turn-around is so short, his publishers have been editing the book pretty much as it goes along, which is bit frustrating for them if he then decides to junk the chapter). He also saves copies of the MS on his hard drive and on floppy disk (old-skool!). I think he even keeps multiple copies of the disk in different places just to be on the safe side.

The only way to 'lose' ADWD would be to nuke Santa Fe, New York and London several times over to ensure that all the copies of the book are destroyed. Even that probably won't work, as some material from ADWD has also been sent to his co-writers on The World of Ice and Fire book as well, so that's another copy floating around, and I think the writers of the HBO series have seen a plot synopsis (so they know what they are building up to in the first season).

GRRM ain't going to be suffering what SE did when his computer died and took half of Memories of Ice with it

[Optimus Prime]

I can't imagine what that would feel like, to lose 45 years of work that GRRM has put into ADWD......

[McLovin]

All I have to say to the GRRM detractors is this - how many books have YOU published? Right. Then shut the fnck up.

[Yellow]

Optimus Prime, on Apr 4 2009, 09:10 PM, said:

I can't imagine what that would feel like, to lose 45 years of work that GRRM has put into ADWD......

Lol.

[Illuyankas]

McLovin, on Apr 4 2009, 08:20 PM, said:

All I have to say to the GRRM detractors is this - how many books have YOU published? Right. Then shut the fnck up.

So if I can't cook, I can't complain to the waiter if he takes forever to get to my table? Might as well go to a different restaurant, then.

Besides, Christopher Paolini got published. So did Stephanie Meyer. YOUR ARGUMENT IS FLAWED AND RUBBISH

[Traveller]

Werthead, on Apr 4 2009, 08:55 PM, said:

He prints out a full MS of the book in its 'current' form every couple of weeks both for personal use and also to send to his publishers

I heard he did this a while back.

So whenever he announces a further delay, I always imagine that he had hundreds of piles of paper, each with a slightly different story version for each character - until he opened a window or something, and they all got mixed up...

This post has been edited by Traveller: 06 April 2009 - 08:50 AM

[Optimus Prime]

McLovin, on Apr 4 2009, 01:20 PM, said:

All I have to say to the GRRM detractors is this - how many books have YOU published? Right. Then shut the fnck up.

Oh zip it. I agree w/ Illy, you need to come up w/ a stronger argument than that. You can't sit there and tell me the guy isn't a bit of a blow hard.

With fame and riches comes the occasional criticisms.

[Blacksox]

Optimus Prime, on Apr 4 2009, 08:10 PM, said:

I can't imagine what that would feel like, to lose 45 years of work that GRRM has put into ADWD......

Well I am not sure I would call that 45 years of "work"

To be honest it really bothers me when an author could seem to give a shit if his series EVER gets finished.

I recall an interview were GRRM was asked if he had the end of ASOIAF planned out and in a vualt or had someone that could relate how the series would end like Robert Jordan had done. GRRM made a joke out of it basically saying if anything happens to him his readers are just shit out of luck.

And GRRM and his defenders act like he does not owe it to his readers to finish the work he has started. These readers pay there hard earned money purchasing his products and allowing him to live the life style he is accustomed to. He does OWE them to least make an honest attempt to deliver them a finished product in his or their lifetime.

I hope the guy lives forever but at the rate he writting and his seeming lack of work ethic when it comes to this product it just might take that long.

[Blacksox]

McLovin, on Apr 4 2009, 09:20 PM, said:

All I have to say to the GRRM detractors is this - how many books have YOU published? Right. Then shut the fnck up.

I have been published and I feel it is the right of any of my readers critisize my works. As a matter of fact I find criticism is a vital part of me becoming a better writer because many times the critic has valid points.

Any writers who believe they are above criticism, and their readers do not have the right to expect a finished product in a reasonable amount of time need to check their ego's and maybe consider another profession.

[Optimus Prime]

Blacksox, on Apr 7 2009, 10:32 PM, said:

McLovin, on Apr 4 2009, 09:20 PM, said:

All I have to say to the GRRM detractors is this - how many books have YOU published? Right. Then shut the fnck up.

I have been published and I feel it is the right of any of my readers critisize my works. As a matter of fact I find criticism is a vital part of me becoming a better writer because many times the critic has valid points.

Any writers who believe they are above criticism, and their readers do not have the right to expect a finished product in a reasonable amount of time need to check their ego's and maybe consider another profession.

I couldn't say it better myself.

GRRM owes his lifestyle to his audience. He's earned what he's got but w/ all the fame comes the fact that guess what? You spend all your time painting figurines and giving multiple excuses for your slow ass writing, CRITICISM will come.

[Aooga]

Though I am not too concerned about the delay as:

- I am used to long ass waits between books. Anyone who follwed the Dark Tower series had to be.
- Plenty more to read while waiting.

However, IMHO I believe the criticism is warranted. Why?

- He is not writing a book from scratch. He just has to edit half a book that's already written. Even if it involves heavy re-writes how long would that take if, as he claims, he had the major part of it already done when writing AFFC?

[Skywalker]

Aooga, on Apr 8 2009, 04:25 PM, said:

However, IMHO I believe the criticism is warranted. Why?

- He is not writing a book from scratch. He just has to edit half a book that's already written. Even if it involves heavy re-writes how long would that take if, as he claims, he had the major part of it already done when writing AFFC?

I think another Werthead defense is in the offing... o boy!

[Mushroom]

Take as long as you George.

I'm a patient man.

You'll finish it eventually.

I don't care.

I'll read it anyway.

[wolf_2099]

Aooga, on Apr 8 2009, 04:55 AM, said:

- He is not writing a book from scratch. He just has to edit half a book that's already written. Even if it involves heavy re-writes how long would that take if, as he claims, he had the major part of it already done when writing AFFC?

Well I also believe the criticism is warrented. Mostly because, as said, his lifestyle he is enjoying is due to the work. He isn't writing stand alone novels, he is writing a series. Most would expect that series to be finished, and this is kind of ridiculous.

However, anyone who has even bothered to read the thread, or even do a little googling on the book, would realize he completely re-wrote AFFC and he scraped the entire book so we would have viewpoints from every character in the book, instead of waiting another 5 years to resolve the cliff hangers.

Which, I do appreciate.

[frookenhauer]

Ill be most distressed If he dies...but if DANCE as shite as feast for crows...die mother frakker!

[Optimus Prime]

I'm going to read the book. Isn't GRRM only like 60? Yes he's a walrus but other than that in good health? Robert Jordan had one of the more rare diseases.....It's mainly all that talk about the fucking figurines that drives me nuts.

[Yellow]

Well, 60 ain't that young when you don't look after yourself.

[alestar]

Frookenhauer, on Apr 8 2009, 09:16 PM, said:

Ill be most distressed If he dies...but if DANCE as shite as feast for crows...die mother frakker!

I concur...

[Cougar]

Jesus ASoFaI Christ; stop talking about GRRM dying it's been done to death (no pun). I don't like him, I think his attitude is reprehensible and I'm not even looking at the books again till they are finished but we aren't going down this tired old route.

Also, try not to antagonise Werthead, he really likes GRRM.

This post has been edited by Cougar: 08 April 2009 - 11:09 PM

[Werthead]

It's not really a case of I 'like him' (although his girlfriend is a friend of mine and I've swapped emails with GRRM a few times and met him once), it's more a case of extreme boredom that no-one can do their research.

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- He is not writing a book from scratch. He just has to edit half a book that's already written. Even if it involves heavy re-writes how long would that take if, as he claims, he had the major part of it already done when writing AFFC?

Will people just let this go? He had some stuff for ADWD left over when he finished AFFC. He thought it was 1) not very good and 2) was not structurally sound for the book. If he'd published what he'd had then, we'd have had a book that was very short and utter pants. So that stuff got scrapped. It is gone. It is no more. It was deleted three years or more ago and a whole new book has been written almost from scratch (I think the first Daenerys chapter has maybe survived more or less intact, perhaps the first Tyrion one as well, although both have been rewritten; everything else is gone).

What is ridiculous is that ADWD isn't even the book that's taken the longest to write in the series. When it overtakes AFFC in a few months or AGoT in a year and a half I'll get more concerned.